Rest and injuries.

[shadow2201]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Matt Kemp - 2010 - 149 games started, 13 as a sub
Ryan Braun - 2009 - 156 games started, 2 as a sub
Evan Longoria - 2009 - 153 games started, 4 as a sub
Chipper Jones - 1998 - 159 games started, 1 as a sub

The list goes on, you can act all cool and say things like "people love to manipulate reality" but the truth is, guys do start 150+ games, it does happen! So a guy plays 7 or 8 innings and gets pinch hit for, or pinch run, does that mean he didn't expel any energy that game? That it was just a lazy day for him?

Not saying every guy who has ever played in 150 games has started them all or played all 9 innings in all the games, but it does happen, and a lot more than you obviously think! The four examples above are just guys I just thought of off the top of my head! Look around, you'll see that guys really do play 150+ games every year! Just gotta put forth a lil effort!

[Bobhead]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Matt Kemp - 2010 - 149 games started, 13 as a sub
Ryan Braun - 2009 - 156 games started, 2 as a sub
Evan Longoria - 2009 - 153 games started, 4 as a sub
Chipper Jones - 1998 - 159 games started, 1 as a sub

The list goes on, you can act all cool and say things like "people love to manipulate reality" but the truth is, guys do start 150+ games, it does happen! So a guy plays 7 or 8 innings and gets pinch hit for, or pinch run, does that mean he didn't expel any energy that game? That it was just a lazy day for him?

Not saying every guy who has ever played in 150 games has started them all or played all 9 innings in all the games, but it does happen, and a lot more than you obviously think! The four examples above are just guys I just thought of off the top of my head! Look around, you'll see that guys really do play 150+ games every year! Just gotta put forth a lil effort!

Ok but that's 150 games! 152 and 162 are two different numbers, and there is in fact 10 games between the two.

That's 10 more days off throughout the year.

And the point of bringing up all that was that energy in The Show is calculated based on innings played. So if Longoria only plays 6 innings, he expends less energy than if he played the entire game.

So pinch hitting, defensive subbing, and double switching like real managers do makes it easier to get the most games out of your players.

And not doing so will give one an exaggerated impression that his players are tiring too quickly.

[daddies3angels]

Re: Rest and injuries.

I put my starting players Durability to 99. They need a day off about 1 time a month which puts them around 155 games. I think there needs to be a durability rating an injury rating

[nick_sr]

Re: Rest and injuries.

I put my starting players Durability to 99. They need a day off about 1 time a month which puts them around 155 games. I think there needs to be a durability rating an injury rating

also, you can add guys on your bench that play multiple positions. I play with dh on and give my starters a rest every 5 games

[shadow2201]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Ok but that's 150 games! 152 and 162 are two different numbers, and there is in fact 10 games between the two.

That's 10 more days off throughout the year.

And the point of bringing up all that was that energy in The Show is calculated based on innings played. So if Longoria only plays 6 innings, he expends less energy than if he played the entire game.

So pinch hitting, defensive subbing, and double switching like real managers do makes it easier to get the most games out of your players.

And not doing so will give one an exaggerated impression that his players are tiring too quickly.

A guy sits 10 games out of the year, means he plays, on average, 16 straight games before being sat, obviously that's not gunna be the case, but just for stats sake! Let's say in one of those 16 games he gets pinch hit for in the 7th inning. You're telling me, that extra 2 innings off, one night out of 16, is going to make the difference between being able to grind out 16 games in a row, as opposed to 10? Come on now! In my franchises, my players average about 8-10 games max before the computer is hounding me to take them out and rest them! I'm sorry but that is exaggerated, whether you want to accept that is completely up to you!

[Bobhead]

Re: Rest and injuries.

In my franchises, my players average about 8-10 games max before the computer is hounding me to take them out and rest them! I'm sorry but that is exaggerated, whether you want to accept that is completely up to you!

And again... have you tried not resting them? Your PS3 will not explode. I promise.

I concede that these prompts are deceptive and annoying... Yes if you follow them to a tee you will never have guys with 150 game seasons... but you do NOT have to follow the prompts. They are just there to offer advice. Nothing more, nothing less.

[shadow2201]

Re: Rest and injuries.

And again... have you tried not resting them? Your PS3 will not explode. I promise.

I concede that these prompts are deceptive and annoying... Yes if you follow them to a tee you will never have guys with 150 game seasons... but you do NOT have to follow the prompts. They are just there to offer advice. Nothing more, nothing less.

Wow, thanks I never thought of that? Wow, how could I have missed the obvious?

Of course I've tried not resting them, but their fatigue affects their game play! They are slower, don't hit as well, etc. Yes I know fatigue affects guys in real life, and yes I know guys in real life play tired and sometimes don't do as good if they're tired, but it'd be nice to be able to play these guys 15 games in a row, without fatigue starting to affect them 8 games into that streak! That's the whole point being made here!

[24]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Just wanted to give a helpful tip to everyone that runs into trouble with player fatigue. I recommend carrying 4 players on the bench.

1 Backup Catcher
1 Utility Infielder
1 Utility Outfielder
1 Player Of Your Choice.

It gets to be a pain when a good chunk of your entire lineup is drained on energy and you don't have the proper positions to sub them all out. I found that my little set up covers all grounds. In addition if you play with the DH you can always put him at his natural position and give another player a half day off so to speak

[Bobhead]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Wow, thanks I never thought of that? Wow, how could I have missed the obvious?

Of course I've tried not resting them, but their fatigue affects their game play! They are slower, don't hit as well, etc. Yes I know fatigue affects guys in real life, and yes I know guys in real life play tired and sometimes don't do as good if they're tired, but it'd be nice to be able to play these guys 15 games in a row, without fatigue starting to affect them 8 games into that streak! That's the whole point being made here!

Clearly you haven't actually tried not resting them. You're just speaking from what you think happens. If you actually tried it you'd know that the effects from fatigue are barely even noticeable. THAT'S the whole point being made here.

Everyone is going on and on about the broken fatigue system but I'd bet my life savings not one person in this thread has actually made the effort to actually try it, and that not one person in this thread has actually played their guys anything more than 15 games in a row.

People just want to assume it will be some catastrophic thing, but it isn't. I did it last year, I'm doing it this year. David Wright still hasn't gotten a single day off in my season. I don't know what his stats are off the top of my head but he still has that little fire sign next to his name, and he's batting around .350. Yeah man those overdone fatigue penalties are sure ruining my season.

[shadow2201]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Clearly you haven't actually tried not resting them. You're just speaking from what you think happens. If you actually tried it you'd know that the effects from fatigue are barely even noticeable. THAT'S the whole point being made here.

Everyone is going on and on about the broken fatigue system but I'd bet my life savings not one person in this thread has actually made the effort to actually try it, and that not one person in this thread has actually played their guys anything more than 15 games in a row.

People just want to assume it will be some catastrophic thing, but it isn't. I did it last year, I'm doing it this year. David Wright still hasn't gotten a single day off in my season. I don't know what his stats are off the top of my head but he still has that little fire sign next to his name, and he's batting around .350. Yeah man those overdone fatigue penalties are sure ruining my season.

Whatever helps you sleep at night man! Trust me I've been playing this game for quite a few years, yes I've played my guys more than 15 games in a row, and yes some of them have still been good even if their energy is completely gone! You make a big point about how everyone's stupid and just assuming that it's like this cuz they want to, then you go on to assume that no one here has tried it! Why not stop being hypocritical and actually contributing something worthwhile to the boards? I've done it, I've seen the affects that fatigue has on players! I played Robinson Cano for 22 straight games, and his BA started dipping after 12 in a row, didn't dip a lot, but it did! He was slower on the field getting to balls, so yes I know for a fact that fatigue does affect the players! Once again, you can choose to accept this fact or not, that is your choice!

[G3no_11]

Re: Rest and injuries.

I put my starting players Durability to 99. They need a day off about 1 time a month which puts them around 155 games. I think there needs to be a durability rating an injury rating

This exacty.

I'm glad they put in manual injuries though.. that will come in handy in franchise mode because I like to keep rosters up to date through out the whole season. I may bump a lot of guys into the 90's in durability and injure them when need be. Also helps with not getting traded in RTTS.

Didn't even think this would ever be an option, but I'm glad they thought of it.

[shadow2201]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Just wanted to give a helpful tip to everyone that runs into trouble with player fatigue. I recommend carrying 4 players on the bench.

1 Backup Catcher
1 Utility Infielder
1 Utility Outfielder
1 Player Of Your Choice.

It gets to be a pain when a good chunk of your entire lineup is drained on energy and you don't have the proper positions to sub them all out. I found that my little set up covers all grounds. In addition if you play with the DH you can always put him at his natural position and give another player a half day off so to speak

I usually carry 4-5 on the bench, and usually work with a rotation at the beginning of the year if I have 2 players vying for the same spot! That helps as well on fatigue! If you don't care if a guy gets 150+ games a year, then rotations help and keep fatigue at a low so you never see your guys drained!

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Why not stop being hypocritical and actually contributing something worthwhile to the boards?

Was this really necessary?

And, are you new to the boards?

[Caliboy626]

Re: Rest and injuries.

I actually have developed a pretty good way to not sit my superstars for full games but still rest them. I had a 12 games road trip using the rockies. We were heading into Arizona, then into San Diego, then into LA. After the second game of the San Diego series Tulowitzski and Cargo were both about a quarter left till complete fatigue. I started them anyway in the third game (a crucial game with wild card implications). I hit two home runs with cargo and went 2 for 3 with Tulowitzski. By the 5th inning I was up 10-1 on the Padres. I did not want to completely fatigue those two or risk injury so I subbed them out when we took the field in the bottom of the fifth. Played the rest of the game.

I did this thinking we had an important series coming up with the division leading Dodgers, and I didnt want them completely going fatigued (No energy in the bar). I was pleasantly surprised to see that not only did they not fatigue any further, they actually re-charged and were near full! Just from letting them get some rest for half a game. I find this to be pretty realistic. They both got over 500 at bats for the season, and they both played around 155-160 Games.

[shadow2201]

Re: Rest and injuries.

Was this really necessary?

And, are you new to the boards?

Yes it was necessary! Don't complain about people assuming things and then assume things yourself! Yes I am new, looked at the boards a lot last year but finally decided to join this year! I have no problem with a debate, I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, everyone has their opinion and I'm happy to argue mine, but when people start being hypocritical, I will point it out, because it diminishes the whole conversation!