The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

**Mt Oread** · 10-23-2013, 12:03 AM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by lhslancers

I don't see too much weird stuff going on but you gotta give the developers a break. This game is coded for a 7 year old console. I think they do a great job replicating the game of baseball. Just be thankful you don't have to play the alternative on the Box.

The alternative has better fielding, hitting and pitching. But you know, whatever. The Show is a great game to watch if you don't have to actually control it yourself. I prefer playing a game, not waxing poetic about the little things.

I'm surprised at how many accept the amount of BS in The Show just to partake in the beautiful graphics and animations.

**Steven78** · 10-23-2013, 02:10 AM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Here ya go:

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-2k/

**Cavicchi** · 10-23-2013, 09:59 AM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by Mt Oread

The alternative has better fielding, hitting and pitching. But you know, whatever. The Show is a great game to watch if you don't have to actually control it yourself. I prefer playing a game, not waxing poetic about the little things.

I'm surprised at how many accept the amount of BS in The Show just to partake in the beautiful graphics and animations.

I also prefer playing a game, and that's why I do play The Show. I have often criticized this game but still play it because it's the best console baseball game available, in my opinion.

**Mt Oread** · 10-23-2013, 10:43 AM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by Steven78

Here ya go:

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-2k/

Thanks! I just figured if the game was being brought up I could contribute.

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**Cavicchi** · 10-23-2013, 11:27 AM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by Mt Oread

Thanks! I just figured if the game was being brought up I could contribute.

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That's a contribution? Well, no comparison, it's not even close to this game, at least not to me.

I don't understand why that game is even mentioned in this thread. I could comment on Fielding in that game but this is not a comparison thread, and better to say nothing when nothing good to say.

**geisterhome** · 10-23-2013, 03:08 PM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by Cavicchi

That's a contribution? Well, no comparison, it's not even close to this game, at least not to me.

I don't understand why that game is even mentioned in this thread. I could comment on Fielding in that game but this is not a comparison thread, and better to say nothing when nothing good to say.

I don't want to compare anything, but as a long time MLB 2k and sports gamer in general player who didn't own a PS3 or Vita until earlier this year and follows sports gaming mostly via the OS I gotta say that I didn't expect the Show to have that big issues in such very basic aspects of baseball as fielding after all the hype (that I felt to be present) around the game here in the forum.
I'm not regretting my purchase by any means and I guess if anything it's my own fault not reading the posts here more carefully as certain issues have always been present.

**Knight165** · 10-23-2013, 05:36 PM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

The dev team of The Show has consistently and repeatedly stated that they have no intention of making the fielding in the game as a "total control" type of fielding.
It is animation driven.
It has been forever.
If you can't deal with that...it's on you. It shouldn't be a surprise.

I'm not speaking to anyone in particular here, it's just that it's been that way since day 1.

What they have done is added more and more realistic fielding animations AND lengthened the time that you do have control over the fielder before the animations kick in.
Obviously it's not perfect, but it's better than it ever was in '13.

For me...the bottom line is that if you can't take an animation driven fielding game....

M.K.
Knight165

**Pared** · 10-23-2013, 05:48 PM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

If you look at some of the better games out there now, they are heavily animation driven. The Show is not alone in this. Heck - some of the BETTER games were animation heavy.

The trick is finding that sweet spot, which the developers have continued to hope to achieve every single year. They strive to improve on it again and again.

Thankfully the developers know better, but be careful what you wish for; There are games that defy the laws of physics and allow the user to do whatever they like. That has never been my cup of tea.

IMO MVP Baseball was a perfect example of the "sweetspot" and MLB continues to close that gap for the "full control guys" while providing more depth than EA's offering ever did.

**Knight165** · 10-23-2013, 05:52 PM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by Pared

If you look at some of the better games out there now, they are heavily animation driven. The Show is not alone in this. Heck - some of the BETTER games were animation heavy.

The trick is finding that sweet spot, which the developers have continued to hope to achieve every single year. They strive to improve on it again and again.

Thankfully the developers know better, but be careful what you wish for; There are games that defy the laws of physics and allow the user to do whatever they like. That has never been my cup of tea.

IMO MVP Baseball was a perfect example of the "sweetspot" and MLB continues to close that gap for the "full control guys" while providing more depth than EA's offering ever did.

You.....You'......You'r.......You're.....ALIVE!?

Good to "see" you.

M.K.
Knight165

**Bobhead** · 10-23-2013, 06:12 PM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by Pared

Thankfully the developers know better, but be careful what you wish for; There are games that defy the laws of physics and allow the user to do whatever they like. That has never been my cup of tea..

That is a great point. I'd actually never thought about that, but you're exactly right. One only has to look at fighting games and even action games to see all the weird stuff one can do when they have full control of their character. I dont know all the actual terminology but when you give a user too much control, you open the door to all sorts of frame skipping and abuse (even accidental).

Super Smash Brothers Melee comes to mind first as a good example. Wavedashing, crouch cancelling, that thing people did with Falco's lasers... the list goes on and on. Those are the kinds of inconsistencies and issues you open the door to when you have 100% full user control and minimize the role of animations.

Of course in SSBM's case, all those weird things actually made the game deeper and imo a lot more fun, but that's an exception. The Show, unlike SSBM, is based on reality, and such physics issues would do nothing but detract from the quality of the game. So I have to agree, an animation system is the better way to go.

And yeah MVP did it pretty well

**lhslancers** · 10-23-2013, 06:18 PM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

I have very few problems with the fielding in this game or any of the past few actually. There is no way to make the game truly manual. The ball moves too fast. I'm fairly satisfied with the way it plays in the field.

**Pared** · 10-23-2013, 08:39 PM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Yes I am alive. Barely.

The animations certainly have room for improvement. Perhaps more momentum based animations could be included... But people are actually asking for less of that, so I digress with expanding upon my thoughts.

I feel like the diving logic (especially jumping up) could have a granular improvement, especially in terms of control.

You can't say they haven't delivered improvements though. Remember when everyone wanted a throw fake? What about all of the changes to most important interface, batter-pitcher? Slide steps, batters calling time... There's plenty of nuances that are added year over year that all add up to more control overall than most give credit for.

**Cavicchi** · 10-24-2013, 01:05 AM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by geisterhome

I don't want to compare anything, but as a long time MLB 2k and sports gamer in general player who didn't own a PS3 or Vita until earlier this year and follows sports gaming mostly via the OS I gotta say that I didn't expect the Show to have that big issues in such very basic aspects of baseball as fielding after all the hype (that I felt to be present) around the game here in the forum.
I'm not regretting my purchase by any means and I guess if anything it's my own fault not reading the posts here more carefully as certain issues have always been present.

You have me totally confused. You use auto fielding as I do, and from my experience between the two games, this game is much better in that regard. I will agree auto fielding in this game needs work, but I still find it much better than what I saw with 2K.

I had MLB 2K and sold it within the first month.

**geisterhome** · 10-24-2013, 04:35 AM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by Cavicchi

You have me totally confused. You use auto fielding as I do, and from my experience between the two games, this game is much better in that regard. I will agree auto fielding in this game needs work, but I still find it much better than what I saw with 2K.

I had MLB 2K and sold it within the first month.

I said that I was a long time MLB 2k player mostly to emphasize that I have always been a somewhat dedicated baseball gamer (playing a mediocre game) who was longing to get to play The Show one day, because I always heard how awesome it is. Just I didn't own a PS 3 or Vita until earlier this year.

Btw when playing MLB 2K I always used manual fielding, starting using auto this year with MLB The Show 13.

I do think that The Show is the way better game than MLB 2K in pretty much every aspect, but you know I didn't expect much from the latter in first place (still it drove me insane at times lol), while when I started playing The Show 12 early this year my expectations were sky high.

**Cavicchi** · 10-24-2013, 10:25 AM

Re: The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

Originally posted by geisterhome

I said that I was a long time MLB 2k player mostly to emphasize that I have always been a somewhat dedicated baseball gamer (playing a mediocre game) who was longing to get to play The Show one day, because I always heard how awesome it is. Just I didn't own a PS 3 or Vita until earlier this year.

Btw when playing MLB 2K I always used manual fielding, starting using auto this year with MLB The Show 13.

I do think that The Show is the way better game than MLB 2K in pretty much every aspect, but you know I didn't expect much from the latter in first place (still it drove me insane at times lol), while when I started playing The Show 12 early this year my expectations were sky high.

I can understand that. When I first purchased The Show (11?), I also had those expectations. The game is and was the best, but there are issues.

With me the problem is anxiety, I want changes to happen fast. At my age, 71, you want to see improvements quickly, because tomorrow may be too late!

The fielding in this game has frustrated me to no end

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