Destined to lose?

[G3no_11]

Re: Destined to lose?

I just read the post the Nomo pointed out from a developer and a lot of things make more sense now lol.

I think it really adds to the game that bullpen management is so important to your teams success. I also think it enhances the differences of using a DH or not. When you don't have the DH, it really makes bullpen management even more important with who you use, when you use them, when do you pinch hit, ect. It's cool that they translate that into a video game.

If they didn't it could really make the game stale.

[zkiesel]

Re: Destined to lose?

If you watch baseball enough, you'll see that 99% of what happens in The Show (with good sliders of course) is perfectly realistic. Perfect example:

Was playing Twins at Orioles as my Birds. Went down 2-0 in the 1st inning on a Morneau dinger. Somehow I got Arrieta to shut them down the rest of the way through 8. In the 3rd inning, I got Nate McLouth to hit an RBI Single. No scoring until the 8th, when McLouth came up (he was 3-for-4 at that point) and hit a double to score a run. Game tied. No score until the 12th, and McLouth finished off a 5-for-6 game with the winning walk-off single. Most fun I've had in a game this season.

The Show is the only video game to get me up out of my seat and screaming with joy. As long as you have good sliders, there is no predetermined winner. As stated by countless others, bullpen management is key. I really try hard not to use guys in consecutive days (other than maybe my setup man and closer).

Something else I've learned is how key it is to keep guys fresh. Giving your players a day off is really important, just like in the majors. Even if the guy plays every day in real life, if his energy bar is below half, give the guy a day off.

There's also no predicting what this game will do, just like the majors. I never expected Nate McLouth to go 5-for-6 with 3 RBIs in a game on The Show, but that's the best part. No one can predict baseball. And that's what's so awesome about the sport, and about The Show.

[Steven78]

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Great post zkiesel.

[Alistair]

Re: Destined to lose?

I have quietly browsed this thread since it was created, hesitant to post my own opinion - until tonight. What just happened has forced my hand and made up my mind that something is not quite right.

On the whole, I agree with what everyone has said. Baseball is a crazy sport with lots of twists and turns that nobody can predict. Plus, good management of your pitching staff can mean all the difference in a close game.

However... tonight, this sort of bull**** has left me little other option but to agree that there are games you simply cannot win, no matter what you do.

I won games one and two against the Cardinals. From the outset of game three, something was up.

First St Louis batter grounds to short. My shortstop moves like he has cement shoes and limply lobs the ball to 1st instead of rocketing it. Runner is safe.

Second batter grounds hard to 1st. As we know, fielding is horrendous in this game, so I am unable to quickly step on 1st and fire to 2nd like I would in real life, so I settle for the out at 2nd.

Third batter singles to right.

Fourth batter clubs a three-run homer to center on a cutter that was underneath the strike zone and exactly where I wanted to place it. Not saying this is necessarily an unrealistic outcome, but it was a fitting outcome considering the bull**** that happened beforehand.

Second inning...

First batter singles to right.

Second batter flies out to left.

Third batter (pitcher) bunts. First baseman is expecting it but still can't get it to the pitcher covering in time, despite zero speed from the opposing pitcher. It took him absolutely forever to move to the ball on a play that is made 95% of the time. It wasn't even a well-placed bunt.

Fourth batter flies out to right, runner advances to 3rd.

Fifth batter grounds to 3rd who throws it in the dirt for an error, runner scores.

Third inning, the same player clubs a second home run to center.

Are you telling me after all of that there is nothing in the back end of the game to pre-determine this kind of bull****?

Limp-wristed lob throws, clunky fielding mechanism, three-run homer on a ball outside the zone, pitcher bunting for a single and an error to make it 5-0 before the third inning is even complete?

NB: I lost 5-0. Every single one of my ABs tended to pop up or go straight to a fielder. Again - I know this happens in real life, but generally not everything I have just listed occurs in one giant stinking ball of failure.

[Alistair]

Re: Destined to lose?

Following on from my previous post...

Next game...

Leading 1-0 until the fifth when my fielders commit two simple errors, including one where my CF fails to pick up the ball resulting in a two-run inside the park home run.

I've absolutely had it with this game. I have overlooked the multiple issues plaguing this title until now (that stretch far beyond in-game logic), but this is the final straw.

Officially done with The Show 13.

[RangersCruz]

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I have quietly browsed this thread since it was created, hesitant to post my own opinion - until tonight. What just happened has forced my hand and made up my mind that something is not quite right.

On the whole, I agree with what everyone has said. Baseball is a crazy sport with lots of twists and turns that nobody can predict. Plus, good management of your pitching staff can mean all the difference in a close game.

However... tonight, this sort of bull**** has left me little other option but to agree that there are games you simply cannot win, no matter what you do.

I won games one and two against the Cardinals. From the outset of game three, something was up.

First St Louis batter grounds to short. My shortstop moves like he has cement shoes and limply lobs the ball to 1st instead of rocketing it. Runner is safe.

Second batter grounds hard to 1st. As we know, fielding is horrendous in this game, so I am unable to quickly step on 1st and fire to 2nd like I would in real life, so I settle for the out at 2nd.

Third batter singles to right.

Fourth batter clubs a three-run homer to center on a cutter that was underneath the strike zone and exactly where I wanted to place it. Not saying this is necessarily an unrealistic outcome, but it was a fitting outcome considering the bull**** that happened beforehand.

Second inning...

First batter singles to right.

Second batter flies out to left.

Third batter (pitcher) bunts. First baseman is expecting it but still can't get it to the pitcher covering in time, despite zero speed from the opposing pitcher. It took him absolutely forever to move to the ball on a play that is made 95% of the time. It wasn't even a well-placed bunt.

Fourth batter flies out to right, runner advances to 3rd.

Fifth batter grounds to 3rd who throws it in the dirt for an error, runner scores.

Third inning, the same player clubs a second home run to center.

Are you telling me after all of that there is nothing in the back end of the game to pre-determine this kind of bull****?

Limp-wristed lob throws, clunky fielding mechanism, three-run homer on a ball outside the zone, pitcher bunting for a single and an error to make it 5-0 before the third inning is even complete?

NB: I lost 5-0. Every single one of my ABs tended to pop up or go straight to a fielder. Again - I know this happens in real life, but generally not everything I have just listed occurs in one giant stinking ball of failure.

Seems like you need to improve your pitching

[Alistair]

Re: Destined to lose?

Seems like you need to improve your pitching

So two errors, a failure to pick up a bunt, a lob throw to 1st and a home run hit outside the zone are all a direct result of pitching? Give me a spell.

[RangersCruz]

Re: Destined to lose?

So two errors, a failure to pick up a bunt, a lob throw to 1st and a home run hit outside the zone are all a direct result of pitching? Give me a spell.

Hitting a HR out of the zone is not unrealistic it happens

When you're giving up hits and HR's nonstop OBVIOUSLY you need to get off the API and mix up your pitches

[Alistair]

Re: Destined to lose?

Hitting a HR out of the zone is not unrealistic it happens

When you're giving up hits and HR's nonstop OBVIOUSLY you need to get off the API and mix up your pitches

I acknowledged the HR out of the zone was not necessarily unrealistic. It was the bull**** that happened previously that resulted in two ducks being on the pond, plus my sudden inability to hit anything but a popup, plus the inside the park "home run" on an error the very next game. It all paints a pretty horrendous picture.

[RangersCruz]

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I acknowledged the HR out of the zone was not necessarily unrealistic. It was the bull**** that happened previously that resulted in two ducks being on the pond, plus my sudden inability to hit anything but a popup, plus the inside the park "home run" on an error the very next game. It all paints a pretty horrendous picture.

And that is realistic if you watch baseball you would see it alot especially when they don't work the count

[Alistair]

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And that is realistic if you watch baseball you would see it alot especially when they don't work the count

You keep selecting isolated things within my posts. I am trying to paint an overall picture that everything breaks down simultaneously for no apparent reason.

[RangersCruz]

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You keep selecting isolated things within my posts. I am trying to paint an overall picture that everything breaks down simultaneously for no apparent reason.

Well you complain they hit HR's and get back to back hits

Solution : pitch better turn off the API call your own game switch your sliders.

You're not getting any hits

Solution : Work the pitch count from the start of the game when you're being Adam Dunn at every AB you won't get anything but strikeouts or popups

Too many fielding errors

Solution : Lower fielding errors and up the fielder reaction if you have that many problems with it

THERE IS NO COMEBACK CODE IN THIS GAME

[wudl83]

Re: Destined to lose?

Hitting a HR out of the zone is not unrealistic it happens

When you're giving up hits and HR's nonstop OBVIOUSLY you need to get off the API and mix up your pitches

Maybe ask Verlander what the Panda did with his pitches outside the zone in the WS game at AT&T park.

Sometimes I wonder if people think that a HR is only allowed to be hit when a meatball is served.

[Alistair]

Re: Destined to lose?

Maybe ask Verlander what the Panda did with his pitches outside the zone in the WS game at AT&T park.

Sometimes I wonder if people think that a HR is only allowed to be hit when a meatball is served.

Read it in context. I almost regret mentioning it was outside the zone as that's not the most relevant factor. It felt utterly inevitable after what had happened for the first two runners to get on base.

[wudl83]

Re: Destined to lose?

Look, here is a perfect example of a game of what many would expect being written by "comeback code" or "destined to lose". But you can clear see my faults and why I lost in the end.

I played with the Braves (Teheran) @ Petco Park vs. the Padres (Marquis).

I started the game with a single by Simmons, Heyward struck out and then Freeman was up and hit a single. Simmons advanced to second. McCann up. On a 3-1 count Simmons and Freeman attempt a double steal. Grandal (Padres catcher) throws to third, Headley unable to catch the ball as it goes over his head into left field, Simmons comes home, Freeman stays at second. McCann singles, Freeman comes home, 2-0. Nothing more happens in the first.
In the third McCann homers next to the right foul pole, 3-0. Uggla walks, Padres error on what should be a flyout by BJ Upton, Uggla to second. Teheran singles, Uggla home, 4-0.
Top of the fifth inning Simmons on base, Heyward homers, 6-0. Marquis out, Stauffer in.
Bottom of the fifth Grandal walks, Blanks doubles Grandal home, 6-1. Gyorko single, I overthrow an easy flyball from the next hitter, Blanks scores, 6-2. Teheran was sharp, left in, still energy left.
7th inning, I am absolutely unable to hit one off Stauffer, lead still big enough though. Teheran starts to tire, left him in. Blanks with the second double, Gyorko brings him home. 6-3.
8th inning, Thatcher in for Padres. His awkward delivery gets me 2 times looking, one time groundout, so still 6-3. Teheran tiring but still left in (don't know why I did it), walks the first guy, Venable doubles him home. 6-4. I warmed up Walden before, now was the time to get him in I thought. Venable on 2nd, one out (Headley popout) and up is Quentin. Although I knew he is clutch the next hitter after him wasn't really dangerous what did I do? I wanted to trade outs for runs - bad idea. Fastball up the middle, boom headshot. Homerun to left field, 6-6. Next batter single. Next one ground out and the other guy to second. Next one Blanks with 2 out and runner on. Hm, should I walk him since the next guy up is Amarista (haha he can't hit) or should I challenge him. Of course I challenge him! Hm sadly he was hot this game and he got his second double and boom, 6-7 Padres. Amarista struck out and there was my pile of shards.
Gregerson in for the Padres. Slider, slider, slider. Swing, swing, swing. Patience? What is that? Game over.

Numerous faults by myself: SP left in for too long, challenging the wrong batters, etc.