Justin Upton's rating

[rjackson]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

Precisely. If you struggle to hit home runs it's because you aren't as good a hitter against that side.

Garrett Jones:

16 HR in 94 total Hits against Lefties. 17% of his hits are home runs
74 HR in 417 total Hits against Righties: Guess what that is? about 17%

His power is actually exactly the same against lefties as it is against righties. He's just a worse hitter against lefties in general.
There's no factual basis for power splits at all, barring switch hitters of course.

While he may be able to bench the same amount regardless of who he is hitting against, the ability to square up a pitch, hit it in the air, and do so with backspin can be significantly different. Here is your triple crown winner of 2012:
Miguel Cabrera
4 HR's out of 50 hits against lefties, less than 1% were homers
40 HR's out of 155 hits against RHP, 26% were home runs.

Reverse power split for ya...

Oh, back on topic to OP: DO NOT focus on the overall number!!!

[nomo17k]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

I've always felt the same way about this.

It's not like a guy takes a weaker swing when he's at a platoon disadvantage. I would love to see SCEA use this mindset when coming up with their ratings... Or for that matter, it would be great to see this in a custom roster too.

I'm also in favor of some rating system that doesn't do Power split like we have right now... partly because my interpretation of Power attribute is (maximum) swing speed (and therefore exit speed of the ball on contact).

But even then the platoon difference needs to be implemented somewhere... and the question becomes where. I don't think there's a clear answer yet.

[RoyceDa59]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

Are you saying they have it with same power numbers vs L and R?

Sort of, I have been using the Hybrid roster and most players have very little difference in power numbers LvR but it still has some players with huge gaps but it works out pretty well IMO. Check the spreadsheet yourself.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...oQlNmNlE#gid=0

[Cavicchi]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

Sort of, I have been using the Hybrid roster and most players have very little difference in power numbers LvR but it still has some players with huge gaps but it works out pretty well IMO. Check the spreadsheet yourself.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...oQlNmNlE#gid=0

I clicked on the link and got Sorry, the file you have requested does not exist.

[LaserRocketArm31]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

While he may be able to bench the same amount regardless of who he is hitting against, the ability to square up a pitch, hit it in the air, and do so with backspin can be significantly different. Here is your triple crown winner of 2012:
Miguel Cabrera
4 HR's out of 50 hits against lefties, less than 1% were homers
40 HR's out of 155 hits against RHP, 26% were home runs.

Reverse power split for ya...

Oh, back on topic to OP: DO NOT focus on the overall number!!!

This is exactly correct. The power ranking is not a "strength" rating. Many players are able to hit the ball for power better from a certain side of the plate. Most players who are aware of this will take a different approach against which ever type of pitcher they are weaker against to keep their overall value and production to the team higher.

More significantly the game bases the power splits based on what the player's past production against righties and lefties has been. A roster that has all the players with the same power to right and left is not accurate. It is mixing the terms power and strength. You have to make rosters that are accurate to how the coding works and the same rating for both is not how the code for this game was written, not remotely sadly.

They could use the L/R contact splits and just add a strength rating and this view would be closer to reality, but not nearly as accurate as the current system. All players especially lefties take a different approach and are pitched to differently depending on their skill set. There are guys who have average contact from the right side and huge power but from the left side they have even better contact numbers and little power because they are not using their power fully from the opposite side because it is not productive. Any confusing on this matter just because terms have been inappropriately mixed up and not understanding how the underlying code of the game works. SECA has this one correct based on all statistical data.

[TN - BRAVES FAN]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

Could you or anyone else post his ratings from last year? I have to believe his ratings from last year are truer to the player he is.

Justin Upton's MLB 12 ratings:

[Bronx Bomber03]

Justin Upton's MLB 12 ratings:

I know it doesn't matter all too much, but what does the overall come out to?

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[Jgainsey]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

While he may be able to bench the same amount regardless of who he is hitting against, the ability to square up a pitch, hit it in the air, and do so with backspin can be significantly different. Here is your triple crown winner of 2012:
Miguel Cabrera
4 HR's out of 50 hits against lefties, less than 1% were homers
40 HR's out of 155 hits against RHP, 26% were home runs.

Reverse power split for ya...

Oh, back on topic to OP: DO NOT focus on the overall number!!!

If you look at his career splits, his SLG% is very similar for both lefties and righties. One season of data isn't always enough when it comes to platoon splits...

[wudl83]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

If you look at his career splits, his SLG% is very similar for both lefties and righties. One season of data isn't always enough when it comes to platoon splits...

SLG is more or less irrelevant in this case. You would need something else, e.g. the ISO Power stat.

[Braves Fan]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

Justin Upton's MLB 12 ratings:

This gives him an overall 95 rating in the game.

[ptbnl]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

If you look at his career splits, his SLG% is very similar for both lefties and righties. One season of data isn't always enough when it comes to platoon splits...

FWIW: Miguel Cabrera's career ISOP vs. lefties and righties...
vs. L: .231; vs. R: .245

Garrett Jones career ISOP
vs. L: .154; vs. R: .225

Cabrera hits lefties and righties equally well, too (.316/.320); Jones does not (.197/.280)

[Bobhead]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

FWIW: Miguel Cabrera's career ISOP vs. lefties and righties...
vs. L: .231; vs. R: .245

Garrett Jones career ISOP
vs. L: .154; vs. R: .225

So power is the only thing that is responsible for the quality of a hit? That's a pretty biased way to look at evidence. Of course he hits more extra-base hits and home runs against righties, because he picks up the ball better and makes better contact.

None of the stats anyone has posted actually prove that a hitter's muscles change in competence depending on the arm the pitcher is using.

I haven't actually looked and calculated it myself, but if you really want to prove either side, you would need to compare his ISO (or slugging) to his batting average, and make some sort of ratio of the two numbers, for each side, so that you can see whether the ratio of singles to hits changes.

[G3no_11]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

The power rating just represents the likeliness of him hitting a HR vs LHP or RHP... it's not saying their muscles change.

[Bobhead]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

The power rating just represents the likeliness of him hitting a HR vs LHP or RHP... it's not saying their muscles change.

But it doesn't. If it worked solely in this way I'd be fine with it. But unfortunately Power also affects your ability to hit the ball out of the infield, and do other various things. The way the ratings currently are, a ground ball hit against a left-handed pitcher will not travel as quickly or as far as a ground ball against a right-handed pitcher. That's what I find quite silly.

[G3no_11]

Re: Justin Upton's rating

But it doesn't. If it worked solely in this way I'd be fine with it. But unfortunately Power also affects your ability to hit the ball out of the infield, and do other various things. The way the ratings currently are, a ground ball hit against a left-handed pitcher will not travel as quickly or as far as a ground ball against a right-handed pitcher. That's what I find quite silly.

To an extent yes, but you don't have to have 40+ power to drive the ball out of the park or even out of the infield. I think it is more weighted on contact and vision.

I think it might be a way of showing the difference between a batter facing a RHP or LHP... it is much more of a transition in real life and maybe the way the ratings are, try to represent that. If they didn't then players would probably have very similar numbers both against LHP and RHP and that's not how it usually works.