My take on RTTS and not being called up

[Instant C1a55ic]

Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

I could, but it's mother's day and my fiance has the run of the house atm (the TV to be specific). Honestly though I am in my 3rd season overall, in The Show and I am now around a 92 overall so I no longer can show you how my attributes were last year. However I can tell you that I was in the mid to high 70's in contact and power, high 70's in clutch...high 60's in the connected atts....75 durability....low 40's in bunting...55 in speed, around 45 ability with low aggression, and low 60's in arm/acc and fielding/reaction.

This is all off of memory of course. So please take it with a grain of salt, but it is pretty accurate. I do believe that your train of thought is correct, but I do think that age had something to do with it the chance of being called up.

Your good man, no big deal i just thought i would ask. I just kinda wanted to see where everything was. Everything sounds decent, i would need to see how the rest of the team is, but since your in the show no need to get picky.

My personal opinion is, if you don't like being kept down in AA or AAA then don't play RTTS! It's part of the experience, guys get stuck in AA and AAA all the time, and even dominate for multiple years, but don't get called up until they are thought to be ready! Just because you can hit the ball with all authority that doesn't mean you're ready! I enjoy playing RTTS, whether I get called up in the first month, or the 3rd year, I don't care. It's part of the experience. The whole point of RTTS is to work on your guy, play down in the minors for a year or two, get called up, it should be an amazing feeling when you get called up, if you have to play 2 seasons in the minors then it'll make you appreciate the call up even more! If you just want to automatically be on the majors roster or be there after a month, create a guy in franchise mode and put him wherever you want him and move him whenever you see fit! I think a lot of these people are missing the point of the mode of RTTS. It's called a "road" for a reason. The road is long and tough! Enjoy it!

P.S. - What is up with everyone's RTTS hitter being able to hit .400 with 40 HR's and 120 RBI's? We have the settings on Rookie? lol!

Blunt, yet effective. It kills me to see some people on here that wish they had control of the teams lineup in RTTS...gee, isnt that what franchise is for? This is supposed to be a career mode designed for a single player! You want to play right away and not have to battle for a position...go play Madden...

Me, i like the cpu to give me a challenge and i can try to match it/exceed it. I was mad in my last RTTS because i spent a whole 2 WEEKS in AAA before being called up. I knew i wasn't ready, and when i got shelled for 6 runs in 2 innings of work in my first start, i was ready to start over. I restrained and told myself its all growing pains and i need to roll with the punches because stuff like this happens.

[shadow2201]

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Blunt, yet effective. It kills me to see some people on here that wish they had control of the teams lineup in RTTS...gee, isnt that what franchise is for? This is supposed to be a career mode designed for a single player! You want to play right away and not have to battle for a position...go play Madden...

Me, i like the cpu to give me a challenge and i can try to match it/exceed it. I was mad in my last RTTS because i spent a whole 2 WEEKS in AAA before being called up. I knew i wasn't ready, and when i got shelled for 6 runs in 2 innings of work in my first start, i was ready to start over. I restrained and told myself its all growing pains and i need to roll with the punches because stuff like this happens.

It was blunt, but people need to understand that ROAD to the show isn't something you just go through fast and spend every single year in the majors, especially when, I'm guessing, most people start their guy out as a 19 year old. Not many 19 year olds make it to the show, hell a lot of guys it takes till they are 22-24 to make it just simply because teams don't feel like, with their age, they are ready. If people want to be in the majors right away, that's fine and great, because everyone should play the way they want to, but don't complain about the mode because it's not broken, it's just not doing what THEY want it to do, there is a difference. I agree with you, I'd rather spend a year or two or three in the minors to hone my skills. Heck I had a CF for the Mariners who hit .320, 28 HR, 97 RBI, in one season, and I stayed in AA the entire season. Didn't get invited to ST, signed a deal to AAA, hit .298, 25 HR, 89 RBI the next year, stayed in AAA the whole year, even though both years the CF for the M's was a lot worse than me and had a lower rating, but I had fun with it, 3rd year I got a June call up and I'm struggling, but it's still fun for me!

[FBeaule04]

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I'm new to the game and had a question concerning the subject of this thread.

Is there a difference in receiving a callup if you start your RTTS guy in the AA at age 21 or 22 versus starting it at age 18?

I was trying the game and having an eye on many players that dominated in the majors. Most of them we'rent even close to AA at age 18. Most I take a look at we're in AA at age 20-21.

If the callup ain't all pointing toward your overall, is there a possibility that at age 18, the chance you get a callup even for AAA is not frequent since it doesn't happen often in real life?

[Instant C1a55ic]

Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

I'm new to the game and had a question concerning the subject of this thread.

Is there a difference in receiving a callup if you start your RTTS guy in the AA at age 21 or 22 versus starting it at age 18?

I was trying the game and having an eye on many players that dominated in the majors. Most of them we'rent even close to AA at age 18. Most I take a look at we're in AA at age 20-21.

If the callup ain't all pointing toward your overall, is there a possibility that at age 18, the chance you get a callup even for AAA is not frequent since it doesn't happen often in real life?

In this game, i have never come across an 18 year old in the majors. Age, I really dont think has too much to do with it, but thats IMO. In rare instances i have seen a guy kind of MLB ready and what i mean by kind of, is that if your desperate, he can be called up.

I'm an attribute guy, i base all my trades and FA signings on that, if he doesn't fit what i need i pass. I came across a prospect last night, age 22 and all of his important stats (at least to me) such as contact, vision, discipline, clutch were in the high 60's. He had A potential, so i scooped him up and gave a high potential pitcher and my starting 3rd baseman.

Now if i was desperate (which im not)i could call him up and he can be built up while playing in the majors. Now you gotta ask youself, why doesnt the CPU think that way? The way i see it, is you need to look beyond the player ahead of you and look at the other players on the 25 that can play your position.

I found out last night that the CPU will shift other players of decent caliber into other spots in RTTS and this could mean your being blocked. I dont know if it was a freak incident, but in my SP RTTS, i had Drew Smyly put ahead of me and hes a RP. He was moved into the rotation because of his high stamina.

[G3no_11]

Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

Here is a real life example.

DJ LeMahieu for the Rockies is playing in AAA right now. He is batting .364, 22 RBI, 8 doubles, 5 triples, 1 HR and 8/10 in SB's.

Reid Brignac is playing for the Rockies MLB team. He is batting .234, 5 RBI, 3 doubles.

DJ is a starter in AAA compared to Brignac being a bench player in the MLB, but DJ has substantially better stats and it is pretty clear that he should be called up.

They are both infielders and can play 2nd/SS/3rd... so why is DJ in AAA and Brignac in the MLB??

This is just how it works in the game and in real life. The organization thinks about what is best for ALL of their players. Maybe the Rockies don't want to give up on Brignac due to his limited playing time and the fact that it would burn up an option to send him down. Maybe they aren't confident that DJ can translate those numbers to the MLB at this point and it is the safer option to let him improve his game even more in AAA. There are a lot of cases where players can destroy the ball in AAA and have little success in the bigs.

I think a lot of people who play RTTS think that it is all revolving around them, but really there are numerous factors to getting called up. Just roll with the punches because a lot of the scenarios people complain about, are happening to players in real life as we speak.

[Instant C1a55ic]

Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

Here is a real life example.

DJ LeMahieu for the Rockies is playing in AAA right now. He is batting .364, 22 RBI, 8 doubles, 5 triples, 1 HR and 8/10 in SB's.

Reid Brignac is playing for the Rockies MLB team. He is batting .234, 5 RBI, 3 doubles.

DJ is a starter in AAA compared to Brignac being a bench player in the MLB, but DJ has substantially better stats and it is pretty clear that he should be called up.

They are both infielders and can play 2nd/SS/3rd... so why is DJ in AAA and Brignac in the MLB??

This is just how it works in the game and in real life. The organization thinks about what is best for ALL of their players. Maybe the Rockies don't want to give up on Brignac due to his limited playing time and the fact that it would burn up an option to send him down. Maybe they aren't confident that DJ can translate those numbers to the MLB at this point and it is the safer option to let him improve his game even more in AAA. There are a lot of cases where players can destroy the ball in AAA and have little success in the bigs.

I think a lot of people who play RTTS think that it is all revolving around them, but really there are numerous factors to getting called up. Just roll with the punches because a lot of the scenarios people complain about, are happening to players in real life as we speak.

Excellent example, it can also be said that Rockies manager Walt Weiss wants to keep the 25 man roster the same for awhile to give everyone a chance to show what they got and not to expect changes in times of desperation.

[FBeaule04]

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In this game, i have never come across an 18 year old in the majors. Age, I really dont think has too much to do with it, but thats IMO. In rare instances i have seen a guy kind of MLB ready and what i mean by kind of, is that if your desperate, he can be called up.

I'm an attribute guy, i base all my trades and FA signings on that, if he doesn't fit what i need i pass. I came across a prospect last night, age 22 and all of his important stats (at least to me) such as contact, vision, discipline, clutch were in the high 60's. He had A potential, so i scooped him up and gave a high potential pitcher and my starting 3rd baseman.

Now if i was desperate (which im not)i could call him up and he can be built up while playing in the majors. Now you gotta ask youself, why doesnt the CPU think that way? The way i see it, is you need to look beyond the player ahead of you and look at the other players on the 25 that can play your position.

I found out last night that the CPU will shift other players of decent caliber into other spots in RTTS and this could mean your being blocked. I dont know if it was a freak incident, but in my SP RTTS, i had Drew Smyly put ahead of me and hes a RP. He was moved into the rotation because of his high stamina.

Thanks for the explanation. In fact, I was asking the question because right now, my RTTS player is 18 years old and doing good at the AA level.

When I was taking a look at many Hall-of-Famers and players I liked a lot growing up, like Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, Moises Alou, Larry Walker, Marquis Grissom, John Wetteland, Pedro Martinez, I've browsed Baseball-Reference and checked the minors progression. Most of them never made it to the major before turning 22 or 23. In most case, they we'rent even starting before 25.

Going from there, that's why I was asking about the call-up system and MLB The Show 13 logic. I was assuming that the call-up logic, paired with the attributes would make it more probable to get an early call to the next level if you're 80 ov and 24 years old in AA than being 82 ov and 18 in the AA. I'm guessing, but if you're 35 years old in RTTS, still in AA but having great numbers and good all around attributes, I'm wondering if the team won't act differently since you don't have 10 years until using the talent. :-)

[FBeaule04]

Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

Here is a real life example.

DJ LeMahieu for the Rockies is playing in AAA right now. He is batting .364, 22 RBI, 8 doubles, 5 triples, 1 HR and 8/10 in SB's.

Reid Brignac is playing for the Rockies MLB team. He is batting .234, 5 RBI, 3 doubles.

DJ is a starter in AAA compared to Brignac being a bench player in the MLB, but DJ has substantially better stats and it is pretty clear that he should be called up.

They are both infielders and can play 2nd/SS/3rd... so why is DJ in AAA and Brignac in the MLB??

This is just how it works in the game and in real life. The organization thinks about what is best for ALL of their players. Maybe the Rockies don't want to give up on Brignac due to his limited playing time and the fact that it would burn up an option to send him down. Maybe they aren't confident that DJ can translate those numbers to the MLB at this point and it is the safer option to let him improve his game even more in AAA. There are a lot of cases where players can destroy the ball in AAA and have little success in the bigs.

I think a lot of people who play RTTS think that it is all revolving around them, but really there are numerous factors to getting called up. Just roll with the punches because a lot of the scenarios people complain about, are happening to players in real life as we speak.

Great read there, really appreciated the example you took. In fact, people are asking that a game is close to reality but they don't want to spend 3 years at AA, then another 1-2 in the AA, then 1 on the bench in majors before being the star of a team. They don't want because it's a game and they don't plan playing it for 10 years!

In reality, it's different. I would call this the Tom Brady rule. You have to be at the right place, at the right time, and deliver for it to happen. Tom Brady was an exception, 9 times out of 10, the guy who would step in for Drew Bledsoe at the time would have come out flat and need another 2 years of learning. It's just the way it is.

So when you say that the Rockies aren't sure that number can translate, it's just the case. Saying that theres a lot more variables involved in the process is right on. When we play RTTS, we are looking at ourselves, we want our player to succeed. In real life, an organisation might see you the same way they see 10 or 15 guys. If only 3-4 can become great, they will be happy. If it's you, then good for us and good for you. If not, well, that's life.

Go explain that to gamers who want results quickly and they won't accept it. They'll say it's too long, buggy, etc. For once that a game is sticking to reality, I won't be the one whinning about it.

[G3no_11]

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Excellent example, it can also be said that Rockies manager Walt Weiss wants to keep the 25 man roster the same for awhile to give everyone a chance to show what they got and not to expect changes in times of desperation.

Yes and it's a good thing teams generally don't jump the gun and make roster moves right away. The season is extremely long and there is really no point to rush roster moves. By the way, Reid Brignac just hit a HR last night.

There are other cases that are different though. The Rockies gave up pretty quickly on 3B Chris Nelson... shipping him off to the Yankees in order to bring up their prized prospect Nolan Arenado.
That is a little bit different though... the Rockies view Arenado as their future 3B and Chris Nelson was struggling (hitting .240) with regular playing time. They also have Jordan Pacheco, Johnny Herrera and Brignac who can play 3rd as utility infielders.
There was really no point to keep Nelson around and hold Arenado in AAA (Arenado was hitting around .360 with 14 extra base hits in 18 games.)

The difference with DJ LeMahieu is that he is behind Josh Rutledge who could be the future 2B for years to come. Arenado was behind a 3B who wasn't really in the picture as far as the future goes and wasn't really performing well.

So the Arenado example just shows the importance of being in the right situation as far as the roster goes. Don't complain about being stuck in the minors when you are playing a position that has a young, talented player there.

[stokely10]

Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

I think production also plays a big role. My player didn't have a very good ovr when I was called up for good, but I was hitting so well in the minors and during spring training that they didn't have much choice.

[G3no_11]

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Thought I'd update my example.

Reid Brignac got DFA'd today and DJ LeMahieu was called up haha

[Instant C1a55ic]

Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

I think production also plays a big role. My player didn't have a very good ovr when I was called up for good, but I was hitting so well in the minors and during spring training that they didn't have much choice.

I would have to disagree. I have noticed too many people ranting on how they are doing amazing in AA/AAA ball and not getting a call up. I know in a real life situation of course productions plays a HUGE role, but you have to abide by the programming within in the game and meet its metrics.

[shadow2201]

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Does anyone know if the individual training has anything to do with getting called up or anything at all? I don't usually do the training, it's boring lol!

[G3no_11]

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Does anyone know if the individual training has anything to do with getting called up or anything at all? I don't usually do the training, it's boring lol!

I'm not really sure. I would guess no.. but who knows.

[moloko5]

Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

I was called up to start the second season on the bench in the majors. I would have preferred to have gone to AAA instead and work on my ratings. No rookie of the year for me, lol. I had a decent season with 300 or so at bats from pinch hitting and being the backup for every infielder. The third year I was starting and did well until I got injured and stayed on the bench even after getting healthy. It was annoying that I had much better stats and ratings over the second baseman that moved into the starting role during my injury and after it. I clicked the ask to start option and the manager claimed that he had to go with the other player on a hot streak. Nothing from the actual results would suggest a hot streak, though he did have a fire icon next to his name. I finally earned a starting role again from meeting my goals around the all-star break.

In my fourth year I finally started the whole season. I think the varied path is part of what makes the game interesting. It seems more realistic that way, even if some of the manager choices are a bit baffling.