cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

[STLJayhawk10]

whenever you look at the season awards at the end of the year, at least one guy will have a big era but he'll have like 17 wins in the cy young voting

one year this was the voting, 2 years down the road in my cards franchise

1) Mike Pelfrey 19-5 4.08 ERA (?!)
2) Justin Verlander 15-6 3.14 ERA
3) Greg Holland 61 SVs 1.68 ERA

this happens all the time.. usually the CY young leaders will go in descending order with wins. its annoying.

also when a pitcher will finish 2nd in the MVP voting but wont even be on the top 3 for the cy young....

[RecordBreakerCF]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

I had a starting pitcher who won the AL Cy Young Award without leading the AL in wins, the starting pitcher was also the AL Rookie of the Year, and he starting the season in AAA.

[RangersCruz]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Well when you look at how they pick at CY Young awards now they care about W/L mostly

Look at Kershaw last yr i think he had a 14-9 record and look what happened

[bigp51]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Pretty sure King Felix wouldn't be a Cy Young contender if all they cared about was W/L

[Calipup]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Pretty sure King Felix wouldn't be a Cy Young contender if all they cared about was W/L

That's is one case where it didn't matter. Many people thought he may not be able to win it because of his record.

[SGTthunder82]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Zach Greinke won the Cy Young Award with a 16-8 record.

[RangersCruz]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Zach Greinke won the Cy Young Award with a 16-8 record.

which is not bad a lot of em won it with the same record

[jmaj315]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

what were the strikeouts, walks, whip etc? .... not super important stats but might be the difference?

[SGTthunder82]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

which is not bad a lot of em won it with the same record

It's really good considering the caliber of team that he was playing for at the time.

what were the strikeouts, walks, whip etc? .... not super important stats but might be the difference?

I actually believe that WHIP is the most telling stat of how effective a pitcher is. It essentially tells you how many base runners the pitcher allows per nine innings. I think that outweighs ERA, W, and K any day.

[RecordBreakerCF]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Clayton Kershaw finished behind R.A. Dickey in the 2012 NL Cy Young race, in fact, he got slaughtered.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Win/Loss should have no impact on the Cy Young award, IMO.

A lot of voters/writers still have that traditionalist mindset, unfortunately. I also feel like R.A. got votes based on his past and him being on the east coast.

Same argument can go for last year's MVP race too....People like pretty baseball card numbers like AVG, RBI's, Wins,etc.

[bcruise]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Win/Loss should have no impact on the Cy Young award, IMO.

A lot of voters/writers still have that traditionalist mindset, unfortunately. I also feel like R.A. got votes based on his past and him being on the east coast.

Same argument can go for last year's MVP race too....People like pretty baseball card numbers like AVG, RBI's, Wins,etc.

Was gonna say, thread topic seems like a real-life problem, unfortunately.

[soxnut1018]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Was gonna say, thread topic seems like a real-life problem, unfortunately.

W-L record is one of the key reasons Max Scherzer started the all star game. I think the game relies on it a bit too much, but it's definitely still an issue in real life.

[sherrane]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

Win/Loss should have no impact on the Cy Young award, IMO.

A lot of voters/writers still have that traditionalist mindset, unfortunately. I also feel like R.A. got votes based on his past and him being on the east coast.

Same argument can go for last year's MVP race too....People like pretty baseball card numbers like AVG, RBI's, Wins,etc.

I have that mindset. Wins and saves are the only important pitching statistic with wins being the most important of the two. A team doesn't make the playoffs because they led the league in ERA or runs scored. There have been a lot of good pitchers who weren't great pitchers because they weren't great pitching with a lead.

Guys like Greinke and Hernandez won it because the teams they played on were terrible, which is a valid consideration. Hernandez went 13-12 on a team that lost 101 games in a season where there wasn't a dominant pitcher in the AL. He may have also won it because he was outstanding the year before when it Greinke won it. That year Greinke was dominant on a pretty bad team. The only other pitcher that was more dominant for a lousy team that I can remember was Steve Carlton in 1972 when he went 27-10 on a team that only won 59 games.

[wudl83]

Re: cpu putting too much emphasis on pitcher wins?

I actually believe that WHIP is the most telling stat of how effective a pitcher is. It essentially tells you how many base runners the pitcher allows per nine innings. I think that outweighs ERA, W, and K any day.

Yes. And nope. WHIP is better than ERA, W, K, ... But FIP, xFIP and SIERA beat WHIP by a large margin. Or do you wanna tell me that Iwakuma with a WHIP of 0.94 is a better pitcher than Adam Wainwright with a WHIP of 1.01?
Iwakuma gives up a ton of HR/9 (1.44), Wainwright way less (0.37). Iwakuma 3.02 FIP, 3.31 xFIP, 3.28 SIERA. Wainwright 2.23 FIP, 2.75 xFIP, 2.93 SIERA. Could go on with a ton of other examples.
Most traditional stats (W/L, ERA, WHIP, ...) do affect a very misleading direction of interpreting a pitcher's performance.