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  • KBLover
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2009
    • 12172

    #1

    What is PCI representing?

    I'm curious as to what the PCI is representing. I'm playing on Timing hitting on "easy" Hall of Fame (i.e. HoF for the pitching AI but with easier sliders for me because I suck - there I said it)/Classic Pitching All-Star essentially default or slightly lower to deal with the innate randomness of Classic pitching and that not all bad pitches are killed in the real game, and trying to think of what size would be most realistic and maybe gearing my sliders towards that.

    Of course, the bat isn't skinny like a rod, but it's not nearly as big as some of these circles. Sometimes I wonder if James Loney is swinging a bat or a tree trunk.

    Also, I see some...interesting...pictures when seeing some swings and misses - batters swinging at the knees (PCI low) on high pitches - swinging inside on pitches that start on the outer half and move away, etc. Thing I can't imagine a hitter actually doing (especially the swinging low on a high pitch).

    So I'm wondering, just what is it trying to indicate.

    This is sorta related, but what's the holding the button down until vibrating representing, especially when it doesn't change velocity of a fastball (it does add some MPH to offspeed, and sometime take some off like on the circle change (probably "choking" the ball more to try to get more movement).

    But on a 4 seam fastball...what is it representing and why does it shrink PCI of the hitter? Again, it makes me wonder what PCI is indicating for it to be impacted like that. I've noticed my hitters PCIs shrinking and expanding on the same swing (i.e. I swing "Normal" four times against the same pitch with the same player vs the same pitcher and the PCIs are different sizes each time), so I figure the CPU has the ability to do similar.

    Is it representing the hitter's ability to adjust to a pitch? The bat isn't that big but that's the range he can use his bat control to adjust his swing (sorta like the "adjustment units" of BBPro 98)?

    Why is it that sometime the PCI being off in left field relative to the pitch location creates contact? I thought this was the foul frequency, but I have it at 0.

    Yet, sometimes I/CPU still get foul balls. So if PCI represents where the swing plane is - how can there be contact when a hitter swings at the knees on a high pitch? I could see near misses, but that?

    Just leaves me wonder - just how big (or small) "should" it be for realistic sorts of swings and swing results?

    Thoughts?
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  • cardinalbird5
    MVP
    • Jul 2006
    • 2814

    #2
    Re: What is PCI representing?

    PCI stands for Plate Coverage Indicator which essentially means where your batter is looking for the ball to enter the strike zone. A lot of people mistake the PCI for a straight up hitting cursor and although they do have some similarities, there is a huge difference between a hitting cursor and the PCI.

    Hitting cursor on games like Spirits, ASB, etc. required exact precision, but generally showed you where the ball was going. The PCI is made up of a combination of the hitter's and pitcher's attributes. Obviously, difficulty is going to be the number 1 factor in determing PCI size, along with sliders such as hitting contact.

    The attributes that increase the PCI size for hitters are: Contact and Plate Vision. Contact increases your chances at hitting line drives, while Plate Vision helps you make "contact" more often and helps you avoid striking out. Plate vision doesn't directly correlate to a higher average, but it can ultimately since you will cut down on strike outs and put more balls in play.

    For the pitcher, the attributes that decrease the PCI size are hits/9 and k/9. H/9 counteracts the hitter's contact and negates line drives and hard hit balls, while K/9 counteracts plate vision and can create more swing and misses. Don't rely on these attributes though and think you can throw down the middle or vice versa. A well squared up ball in someone's wheelhouse will still be hit hard.

    The PCI offers randomness, but that is just part of MLB the Show. Baseball is a game of randomness itself, so you just have to accept you can put good swings on the ball with a well place PCI and still weakly ground/fly out. In my experience, the higher attributes you have for your hitter the more opportunity you have with a not so great PCI placement and vice versa. Sometimes my great hitters can hit bombs with the PCI being completely under the ball, while my mediocre hitters can weakly ground out on a nearly squared up ball.

    To take the randomness and luck out of the PCI and balls in play, I started swinging with power 90 pct of the time and I find that if you get the PCI on the ball you have a better chance to get a hit or homerun.

    Also I don't know what you meant by making your hitter's PCI shrink, unless you just mean practice swinging with power, normal, or contact. It will show you the size of your PCI if you use that type of swing. Power=smaller PCI, Normal=average size, and contact=huge but you won't hit it hard.

    Keep in mind your PCI can shrink depending on the pitches you swing at and their location. If you swing at a low and away slider you can expect your PCI to decrease dramatically, while if you swing at a high changeup or curveball then your PCI will increase dramatically. 4 seamers normally don't affect the PCI size at all. Hot/Cold zones have no impact on this since they are purely cosmetic.

    Some other things that affect PCI size are pitcher's stamina and possibly confidence (not sure on that one). I know stamina does for sure, so the more you wear down the opposing pitcher then your PCI will slightly increase.

    Remember the PCI doesn't represent where you will swing exactly. It just shows you where your hitter is looking for the pitch to enter the zone. Generally, your PCI placement will affect if you hit a line drive/grounder/fly ball, but that isn't always the case. You can influence your swing before the pitch and sometimes this game is just so random you never know. I've hit groundballs where my PCI is nearly completely under the ball and I've hit homeruns where the ball nips the bottom of my PCI.

    I hope that helped some.
    Last edited by cardinalbird5; 09-30-2013, 02:22 AM.
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    • KBLover
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 12172

      #3
      Re: What is PCI representing?

      First, your explanation does help, thanks. I enjoy this game a lot, but haven't played too many in the series to really know how it's innards work just yet (06, 09, and now 13).

      I've seen the PCI size, both for CPU and my hitters, shrink/grow. Now, the CPU might be swinging for power, but I know if I swing "Normal" (X button), the PCI changes sizes. I presume the CPU is "holding down the button" on his pitches. I see it a LOT against relievers where I swing and miss or make bad contact and notice the PCI is much smaller on a 2 strike pitch than it was on the same pitch when the count was 1-1 or such. Also, for the CPU, if I hold the button down until I get vibration, I notice the CPU's PCI shrinks.

      Though your last paragraph probably explains a lot of that along with your explanation of the impact of the ratings, etc.

      I guess with Timing hitting, the randomness is even more evident, but I don't mind that. You're right, baseball can be very unpredictable and I know not all bad pitches get smoked or sometimes good pitches get hit hard - or find holes, good pitchers still have to locate well in and out of the zone, etc.
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      • 1stpitchhacker
        Banned
        • Jul 2013
        • 193

        #4
        Re: What is PCI representing?

        I'm not positive but I think the count has an effect on PCI size also.
        Last edited by 1stpitchhacker; 09-30-2013, 05:44 AM.

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        • cardinalbird5
          MVP
          • Jul 2006
          • 2814

          #5
          Re: What is PCI representing?

          I don't think the count, pitcher's confidence (not entirely sure), situation, stadium,or hot/cold zones affect the PCI size at all. What does affect the PCI size is the location and type of pitch. Like I said, expect pea size PCI's when you get a low breaking ball outside the zone and expect balloon sized PCI's when you get a hanging pitch.

          Most likely you notice the smaller PCI's behind the count, because the CPU is probably trying to get you to chase out of the zone.

          Oh one last thing that affects PCI, albeit minimal is the clutch ratings. Hitters and pitchers have clutch ratings that minimally increase/decrease the PCI with runners on. It is nothing drastic though. You might get a few more hits with RISP for a hitter that has 99 clutch compared to someone with less than 50 clutch throughout a season, but I don't notice this attribute helping much.

          I think I covered it all....

          How do I know so much about this? Well I play a lot of diamond dynasty and it is essential you understand the attributes when you train your players. Plus I have seen the effects of facing pitchers that have 90+ H/9 and K/9 compared to regular MLB pitchers. It dramatically decreases your PCI and you don't square up nearly as often.

          Oh I should also mention that you should ignore the CPU's hitting feedback. It is more random than anything and it teaches you nothing lol. It also depends on your sliders/difficulty on how big their PCI will be. I like to play on HOF/HOF, but then I reduce their contact a tad so their PCI isn't covering the entire zone.
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          • TonyMoraco
            Rookie
            • Mar 2012
            • 206

            #6
            Re: What is PCI representing?

            Great post and replies...
            "It Makes Sense If You Don't Think About it"

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            • Bobhead
              Pro
              • Mar 2011
              • 4926

              #7
              Re: What is PCI representing?

              The PCI is representing the good ol US of A

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              • nomo17k
                Permanently Banned
                • Feb 2011
                • 5735

                #8
                Re: What is PCI representing?

                Everyone is getting this wrong.

                What PCI represents is the dream of young boys, who we all once were, who dreams of playing in the Show one day. Like all childhood dreams, however, it's elusive. Once you think you figure it out, it betrays and you realize that you actually missed it.

                Like that slider in the dirt.
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                • rjackson
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 1661

                  #9
                  Re: What is PCI representing?

                  Hot/Cold zones have no affect at all? On anything--not just PCI size but maybe power? Nothing?

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                  • cardinalbird5
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 2814

                    #10
                    Re: What is PCI representing?

                    Originally posted by rjackson
                    Hot/Cold zones have no affect at all? On anything--not just PCI size but maybe power? Nothing?
                    Cosmetic only...it does nothing.
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                    • Knight165
                      *ll St*r
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 24964

                      #11
                      Re: What is PCI representing?

                      Originally posted by cardinalbird7
                      Cosmetic only...it does nothing.
                      I don't think so.....maybe to the PCI...but it was never meant to effect the PCI.

                      I'm pretty sure Hot/Cold zones give attribute boosts/losses to contact/power ratings.

                      I will verify.

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                      • KBLover
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 12172

                        #12
                        Re: What is PCI representing?

                        Originally posted by Knight165
                        I don't think so.....maybe to the PCI...but it was never meant to effect the PCI.

                        I'm pretty sure Hot/Cold zones give attribute boosts/losses to contact/power ratings.

                        I will verify.

                        Do the hot/cold zones ever change? Especially for young guys?

                        Just curious just in case there is an actual attribute impact.
                        "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                        • Knight165
                          *ll St*r
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 24964

                          #13
                          Re: What is PCI representing?

                          Originally posted by KBLover
                          Do the hot/cold zones ever change? Especially for young guys?

                          Just curious just in case there is an actual attribute impact.
                          Static.
                          We did speak to either Nick or Brian about having dynamic hot/cold zones though for the future.

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                          • cardinalbird5
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 2814

                            #14
                            Re: What is PCI representing?

                            They are dynamic in Diamond Dynasty, but they absolutely do nothing. It just shows you where your opponents like the pitch to be at. Most of the time it is middle and low with high and inside being blue.
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                            • Russell_SCEA
                              SCEA Community Manager
                              • May 2005
                              • 4161

                              #15
                              Re: What is PCI representing?

                              Originally posted by cardinalbird7
                              Cosmetic only...it does nothing.
                              The batter gets a slight bonus (5%) or penalty (5%) to contact when swinging at pitches inside each zone.

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