My views on the importance of detailed stat tracking

[Knight165]

Re: My views on the importance of detailed stat tracking

Something that has begun to bother me more an more is the lack of advanced stats. Nobody in front offices looks at stats like batting avg, home runs, and RBIs anymore. I get that they are a part of presentation, but I'd love to see stats like WPA+, WAR, wOBA, and xFIP. The advanced stats DLC they released a couple of years ago didn't really add any more useful stats, just more complicated ones.

I seriously doubt this part of your statement.
As much as the saber, zips and other stats are becoming more prominent....the "old standby" stats are still front and center...even with GM's and F.O. execs.

M.K.
Knight165

[Born Again]

Re: My views on the importance of detailed stat tracking

Nobody in front offices looks at stats like batting avg, home runs, and RBIs anymore. I get that they are a part of presentation, but I'd love to see stats like WPA+, WAR, wOBA, and xFIP.

yeah I doubt anyone in the Tiger front office looks at Miggy's HR, Avg. and RBI numbers and says "But can he hit?" I know that is not waht you are saying, it was just what popped into my mind upon reading your post

[barsoffury]

Re: My views on the importance of detailed stat tracking

I would love for the day that The Show gets rid of number ratings and we have to rely on stats and scouting reports to gauge players on how good or bad they are.

[MLB Bob]

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I would love for the day that The Show gets rid of number ratings and we have to rely on stats and scouting reports to gauge players on how good or bad they are.

Imagine if not only you could hide ratings but choose whether you use advanced stats or standard stats as a GM and what scouting scale. it could create quite a dynamic and would add a super dimension to online leagues...I'll shut up now.

[g-burn]

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It'd be nice if they made stats in the Show modable. I'm not sure how one would do this or if it would even be possible down the road, but I know a bunch of us stat rats would be dedicated enough to create our own stat spreadsheets and sabermetric-like algorithms for in game use.

[MLB Bob]

Re: My views on the importance of detailed stat tracking

It'd be nice if they made stats in the Show modable. I'm not sure how one would do this or if it would even be possible down the road, but I know a bunch of us stat rats would be dedicated enough to create our own stat spreadsheets and sabermetric-like algorithms for in game use.

I did it, I made rating algorithms to produce my own MLBTS ratings from a calculator..I was satisfied with the results but got into something else entirely with fictional player generators and stopped.

[twinsfan34]

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With the fact sheet that just came out, I see they have in fact expanded the amount of trackable stats in 14. I'm a little worried to only see they've only specified the expansion for online franchise though. I hope single player hasn't been overlooked yet again. Does anybody know if you can play online franchise by yourself and exclude the multiplayer component? I will jump through hoops if I can get a single player franchise experience with all the stat tracking I've been pining for since the PS2 days.

I'm curious what that means...a little vague.

Also, would like to know if only online franchise. And then, what elements of the online franchise will be required? Like do I have to play with other people in my franchise mode? Might be good, but like any fantasy league, if you have a team or two who don't play - could have a negative affect on how the franchise operates. Also lose control over simulation speed...say I want to sim a season or two...focusing on developing the minor leagues (say I'm the Twins or Cubs)...and 2015 is a lot more enticing option to play...at the MLB level vs the minor leagues.

I'm very glad it does appears they have added something.

Hopefully season over season...as it would apply towards fuller player cards and ultimately towards records, career leaderboards, etc.

As far as some people saying 'advanced' stats thing - advanced stats all come from 'basic' or traditional stats. That is a triple (3B) still factors into RC, OBP+, ISO, WAR, etc - it's just how we combine the aggregrate of those stats - but they should still be kept. Once you play with the stats on the Sabermetrics end, you start to make eyeball calculations based on the 'traditional stats'...the key is the context of those stats so park factors and league averages (weights) is the big thing. Hitting .320 still matters to GMs, and it matters to SABR minded people even more if the league average one year is .246 instead of .268. But I think people need to drop the fact that 'traditional stats' are meaningless. That's like saying an amino acid is worthless because it's not a protein. Or glucose is outdated because it's not a complex carbohydrate - hello, that's what those more 'advanced' things are composed of.

As far as what GM's use or don't use and what pitching coaches and managers do and don't use. They use the traditional stats quite a bit. In fact it's often much simpler. Pitching coaches like to know counts and averages against certain pitches...what he takes and what he swings at. Not advanced metrics at all. That's coming from Twins and Rangers front office and coaches. Then they'll also see where splits factor at certain parks and matchups. More access to fly ball vs ground ball helps - but again, these aren't 'advanced stats'...still traditional, even if they weren't on the back of a baseball card.

[MLB Bob]

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I'm curious what that means...a little vague.

Also, would like to know if only online franchise. And then, what elements of the online franchise will be required? Like do I have to play with other people in my franchise mode? Might be good, but like any fantasy league, if you have a team or two who don't play - could have a negative affect on how the franchise operates. Also lose control over simulation speed...say I want to sim a season or two...focusing on developing the minor leagues (say I'm the Twins or Cubs)...and 2015 is a lot more enticing option to play...at the MLB level vs the minor leagues.

I'm very glad it does appears they have added something.

Hopefully season over season...as it would apply towards fuller player cards and ultimately towards records, career leaderboards, etc.

As far as some people saying 'advanced' stats thing - advanced stats all come from 'basic' or traditional stats. That is a triple (3B) still factors into RC, OBP+, ISO, WAR, etc - it's just how we combine the aggregrate of those stats - but they should still be kept. Once you play with the stats on the Sabermetrics end, you start to make eyeball calculations based on the 'traditional stats'...the key is the context of those stats so park factors and league averages (weights) is the big thing. Hitting .320 still matters to GMs, and it matters to SABR minded people even more if the league average one year is .246 instead of .268. But I think people need to drop the fact that 'traditional stats' are meaningless. That's like saying an amino acid is worthless because it's not a protein. Or glucose is outdated because it's not a complex carbohydrate - hello, that's what those more 'advanced' things are composed of.

As far as what GM's use or don't use and what pitching coaches and managers do and don't use. They use the traditional stats quite a bit. In fact it's often much simpler. Pitching coaches like to know counts and averages against certain pitches...what he takes and what he swings at. Not advanced metrics at all. That's coming from Twins and Rangers front office and coaches. Then they'll also see where splits factor at certain parks and matchups. More access to fly ball vs ground ball helps - but again, these aren't 'advanced stats'...still traditional, even if they weren't on the back of a baseball card.

I think the sabrheads just get annoyed with pitchers Win/Loss records, a batters RBI's or errors for fielding,being bashed over their head.... Sure there are some traditional stats that factor into "advanced stats" but the general difference...advance stats tend to gear towards rates and not accumulative. One isnt better than the other. Some stats need more context than the other and when comparing 2 or more players more context is needed for certain stats. But I still think a lot of people use "advanced stats" wrong too.

[g-burn]

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I did it, I made rating algorithms to produce my own MLBTS ratings from a calculator..I was satisfied with the results but got into something else entirely with fictional player generators and stopped.

Nice! I'd love to get a stat calculator set up like that. Were you able to actually sync it up to the game and have the stats displayed on the player card? Keep fighting the good fight!

As far as advanced stats go, I'd just be happy seeing nothing more advanced than Sluging and OBP tracked. Hell, I'd even settle for just basic stats like stolen bases, runs scored, strikeouts and walks at this point. What is frustrating is a lot of these stats are already kept year to year so the algorithms are already in the game. I really can't see how coding issues are preventing developers from documenting these stats across seasons. Surely Diamond Dynasty hogs more coding than any method of stat keeping.

[NAFBUC]

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How about a decent boxscore ......currently the stats are very vanilla.

[twinsfan34]

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Regarding their list:

Retired players stored for every season (Online Franchise)
More player stats stored for every season (Online Franchise)

Do you suppose this would also apply to offline as well?

Anyone with any further insight into this...would be appreciated. Although April 1st...might just have to be what ultimately answers it.

[Legionnaire]

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I'll keep saying it: What I'd really like The Show to do is figure out a way for our franchises to interact with an online component that automatically generates a website that features all of the stats/standings/draft history in our franchises.

You can argue that the old coding didn't allow for them to maximize long-term stat tracking or data storage within the save files. But I've toyed with what EA Sports has done with their Online Dynasty or Online Franchise modes in their football games, where they generate a web page built around individual online franchises, and I think Sony can figure out how to do something like that. It's very cool to be able to visit a page built around your franchise, where you can look at rosters and standings and stats and box scores.

That's the dream, for me.

I want something like my own personal Baseball-Reference.com where I can spend hours looking up stats or re-living past accomplishments from my franchise. It's especially needed now that franchises can carry over from one year's game to the next. I could play a franchise that runs over a hundred seasons in the next decade. I would definitely want a nice way to document (and maybe share) the accumulated history of my franchise.

I'd be cool with paying an extra fee for a feature like that.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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So what are the new stats tracked for this year? These are the stats being tracked now but I don't recall what was tracked in the past.


for position players
games played
at bats
batting average
hits
runs scored
doubles
triples
home runs
rbi
stolen bases
caught stealing
stolen base %
walks
strikeouts
slugging %
on base %
on base % plus slugging (ops)
totals bases
plate appearances
sacrifice flies
sacrifice hits
ground into double play
hit by pitch
assists
putouts
errors
fielding %
innings played
avg vs right
avg vs left
avg w/runner is scoring position (risp)
avg at home
avg on the road
at bats vs right
at bats vs left
at bats w/risp
at bats at home
at bats on the road
hits vs right
hits vs left
hits w/risp
hits at home
hits on the road
rbi vs right
rbi vs left
rbi at home
rbi on the road
hr's vs right
hr's vs left
hr's at home
hr's on the road
runs created
isolated power
secondary average
at bats per home run
walks per plate appearance
walks per strikeout
base out %
batting runs
total average
obp + slg + batting average (pop)
slugging % + obp
total power quotient
hoban efficiency quotient
power speed number
power factor
power average
base stealing runs
range factor (I wonder if this is RF/9 or RF/G)


for pitchers
games pitched
wins
losses
era
games started
quality starts
complete games
shutouts
saves
blown saves
holds
innings pitched
hits allowed
runs allowed
earned runs
home runs allowed
walks allowed
strikeouts
whip
win %
total batters faced
wins at home
wins on the road
losses at home
losses on the road
hits allowed vs right
hits allowed vs left
component era (erc)
defense independent era (dips)
power finesse ratio
balls in play average
k/9

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: My views on the importance of detailed stat tracking

Those stats are not tracked year to year......yet...still hoping

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[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: My views on the importance of detailed stat tracking

Those stats are not tracked year to year......yet...still hoping

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aww I haven't gone past season one
were all these tracked last year?