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  • Bobhead
    Pro
    • Mar 2011
    • 4926

    #16
    Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

    Originally posted by Knight165
    This went back to when I asked Kolbe about salaries and contract lengths.

    I don't know if there was ever a specific reason told to him or SCEA about it....but he told me they were told by the MLB that using exact $$ and lengths was not an option for them, they were to use fictitious numbers.

    I think the speculation about the license came from the fact that 2K was allowed to use real amounts.


    M.K.
    Knight165
    So do we know for sure whether SCEA is still under the same prohibition even though 2K's contract has expired?

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    • dingleberryfinn
      Banned
      • May 2010
      • 1736

      #17
      Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

      This is such an easy fix, if MLB doesn't want real contracts in the game.
      Editable contracts.

      Or maybe MLB doesn't want editable contracts either.

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      • Knight165
        *ll St*r
        • Feb 2003
        • 24964

        #18
        Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

        Originally posted by Bobhead
        So do we know for sure whether SCEA is still under the same prohibition even though 2K's contract has expired?
        Well....like I said.....Kolbe stated there was never a reason given, so it was speculation about that being the reason.

        This was some time ago at CD.....so I can't remember exactly what he said either to be honest.

        I just remember asking about salaries/contract length and why they weren't real life totals....and if we could have them be editable.

        I don't remember if the MLB didn't want them editable(like they don't want player info editable) or not.

        You'd be surprised at just how restrictive the MLB is in just about all their property aspects.

        M.K.
        Knight165
        All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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        • tabarnes19_SDS
          Game Designer
          • Feb 2003
          • 3084

          #19
          Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

          The big thing for me has always been that the years are correct. . Which they are. .. and the salaries are proportional. .. which they need work....

          They know we want better salaries... so whatever movement towards realistic numbers (that they can do) I'm sure they'll try. I've really been on about editing them as well.

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          • decga
            MVP
            • Mar 2004
            • 2469

            #20
            Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

            Originally posted by tabarnes19
            They do have correct contract length in game. Roster updates throughout the season even incorporate in season extensions that are signed.

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            Now that is something that I didn't know. Once I start in April or May I dont start over. I just rolled with it. That's a minimal issue for me, but I understand the license situation

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            • tessl
              All Star
              • Apr 2007
              • 5688

              #21
              Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

              [quote=Curahee;2045767991]I think youre reading too much into it. The contracts are of public record to the point of being searchable on Google and released by almost every sporting news entity.




              Contracts are searchable but the game also replicates free agency that could become a problem if the AI in the game gets too close to reality. I suspect that is a reason they don't want the game to get too close to the real thing.

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              • Curahee
                100 Miles To Go
                • Jan 2012
                • 4009

                #22
                Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                Originally posted by tessl
                Contracts are searchable but the game also replicates free agency that could become a problem if the AI in the game gets too close to reality. I suspect that is a reason they don't want the game to get too close to the real thing.
                Im sorry but that makes no sense.

                If I can search the terms of the contract on the internet, then why would MLB care what the MLBTS AI does in the game AND what does the AI have to do with my ability to search the terms online?

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                • Bobhead
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 4926

                  #23
                  Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                  Let's not pretend like MLB exec's have not done anything weird or unreasonable before.

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                  • Curahee
                    100 Miles To Go
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 4009

                    #24
                    Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                    Originally posted by Bobhead
                    Let's not pretend like MLB exec's have not done anything weird or unreasonable before.


                    Well that certainly is the truth

                    I just think it has nothing to do with the AI and has more to do with licensing by MLB and the MLBPA.
                    Last edited by Curahee; 12-15-2013, 10:52 PM.

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                    • RandyBass
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 1179

                      #25
                      Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                      Originally posted by Bobhead
                      Let's not pretend like MLB exec's have not done anything weird or unreasonable before.
                      This though, this is just baffling. It drags the game down, albeit slightly. They are just hurting their own product. And for what again?

                      I wonder, have any of the developers bothered to simply ask, why?

                      Maybe if they presented a case to MLB/MLBPA that people want to see real life contracts so that they can step into their favorite franchise's situation and play it out for the next few years, perhaps then a change can be made.

                      It makes a difference, for the suspension of disbelief, which is what these games are. Contracts are important in franchise mode. When you see a guy you want to dump, a guy who in real life has just one year left, but who in the game has a three year deal it kind of saps some of the fun from it.

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                      • Curahee
                        100 Miles To Go
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 4009

                        #26
                        Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                        Originally posted by RandyBass
                        I wonder, have any of the developers bothered to simply ask, why?
                        My question though, is it part of the licensing agreement that SCEA not do this?

                        Maybe in order for the contracts to be included, SCEA would have to renegotiate the terms of their licensing agreement.

                        I mean I DONT KNOW, but Im just speculating here.
                        Theres gotta be a logical reason other than "We dont want you to."

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                        • petermc
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 182

                          #27
                          Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                          Isn't baseball one of the more private leagues for salaries like most team salaried are estimated and most places day it's estimated

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                          • theaub
                            Stop! Homer Time!
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 9643

                            #28
                            Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                            Originally posted by petermc
                            Isn't baseball one of the more private leagues for salaries like most team salaried are estimated and most places day it's estimated
                            Blue Jays, Blackhawks, Auburn

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                            • petermc
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 182

                              #29
                              Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                              The very first thing it says is this information is unofficial thats the problem there is no official its all based off leaks the media got well it is most likely 99.9999999% right since its not official, The show is not allowed to put it in. Or so I think and am totally guessing
                              Last edited by petermc; 12-21-2013, 06:09 AM.

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                              • kehlis
                                Moderator
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 27738

                                #30
                                Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

                                Originally posted by petermc
                                The very first thing it says is this information is unofficial thats the problem there is no official its all based off leaks the media got well it is most likely 99.9999999% right since its not official, The show is not allowed to put it in. Or so I think and am totally guessing
                                As I mentioned earlier in the thread though 2k had correct contracts.

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