Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

[htskr21]

Re: Why don't they use correct player contract length and salaries

I don't care either way but no one else has said it, so I will. Maybe the players simply don't want what they make to be completely public. No one is going to make a video game out of what I do but if they did, I wouldn't want anyone knowing my compensation level.

I know it's just expected now that everyone gets to know everything about everything and everyone, without the foggiest notion of context but it's really none of our business. The ones in game are the correct lengths and aren't out of whack to the point that Robinson Cano would sign for the same money as say, a thirty-five year old Chase Utley. (Not taking anything away from Utley.)

I don't know why they hold the line, either but I'm glad they do.

[Curahee]

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Maybe the players simply don't want what they make to be completely public.

But it already is completely public. Thats the point.

it's really none of our business.

It IS our business because it is us that pays those salaries. Without us, they have no job to go to.
Player contracts, salaries, team salaries, budgets and revenue are all very public record and obtained by simple Google search. You can also get team revenue by writing a letter to the team and requesting it.
Remember, very few teams and stadiums are owned outright by the team owner. Many are owned in part by the city they play in, a secondary company, outside investors or like the Packers, the entire population of Green Bay.... or at least those who own shares.

Very few financial records of any company/business are private records.

[rjackson]

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I'm not trying to start an argument and I agree with both sides of the coin but I am strongly opposed to this logic. There is so much wrong with this post that it cannot go unchecked.

It IS our business because it is us that pays those salaries. Without us, they have no job to go to.

Where do you work? If I ever go there, I want to know how much you make because without us customers, you have no job to go to. See my point?

In baseball, contracts are not intentionally made public--they are typically leaked or speculated. If I recall correctly, Brad Ziegler tweeted his extension details. It was not released by the team or MLB.

Private businesses do not have to release anything just because you wrote a letter and it is irrelevant anyways, even with public businesses. Income statements do not include specific players' salaries, just a total of all of them to reflect the cash flow and expense. If you want to get that specific, you'll still need a subpeona in many cases. For instance, I work in a business where the State government is a partner and financial records are easily obtainable via website. You won't find my salary on there, or the GM's, or anyone else's.

That said, I agree that they tend to be readily available and could be in there in a better repesented manner. They do not need to be exact. Just keep them at a somewhat equal ratio to start. Drop a zero for example, making it 1/10th of reality. I doubt it is that easy coding in the long run trying to replicate good value or ending up with bad value in player contracts.

[Curahee]

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Where do you work? See my point?

No. Because Im not a professional athlete.
Name me any active player and I will tell you how much money is in his contract.
Name me any team and I will tell you how much revenue they made in 2012.
Its not private information. Their SSN is private information!

Private businesses do not have to release anything

Baseball teams are not private businesses and you can find the financial terms of any contract.
It is irrelevant if the info was leaked or released by MLB. Its still available.
2K had the exact terms. How do you think they got them?

And NONE of this is the point of this thread.
SCEA is not allowed by MLB to use the exact terms for whatever reason.
If 2K had it but SCEA got fined then it probably has to do with licensing.

[MLB Bob]

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Forbes makes a good "guess" by using info they have access to but they are not exact and in some cases very much off, especially in valuations. A great example is Rogers and their ownership of the Blue Jays...what Forbes reports for the Blue Jays is way off and has been attested to by people that have a good insight into the business side of baseball and Rogers operations.

With contracts in game, Id like to see more reality or budgets and contracts be scaled equally, but ideally I enjoy exact figures as much as possible. I can also live with the fact theyre not and there are some work arounds as long as budget amounts are realistic

[coachlem]

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That's strange because 2k had the correct contracts. Ea did as well. That's the only thing 2k got right.

[geisterhome]

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So if the salaries arent even public, at least officially, how can the mlb prevent scea from using any number they feel like to use? They'd just be guessing and estimating anyways. Or do they get some secrect list with the actual player salaries which they have to avoid to use in the game. That would be pretty ridiculous. Sometimes it seems like a game without any licence could actually be closer to real life in many ways than one under all kinds of restrictions which come with having one

[MLB Bob]

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That's strange because 2k had the correct contracts. Ea did as well. That's the only thing 2k got right.

2K had contracts correct to what the public thinks is correct, yes. They probably used the same resources the public uses..and if they did..how would we know if that is truly correct or not? We assume everything thats public is correct and if 2K used those same figures we wouldnt know any different.

As for revenue and as I mentioned about valuations...those are mostly educated guesses by using formulas from whats made public and other info..some sports business guys have said Forbes have been off revenues and valuations some times as much $150 + million plus or minus...

This thread, as Curahee stated, is about contracts though..and the more they are to what we know to be realistic, i think, the better.

[kehlis]

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So if the salaries arent even public, at least officially, how can the mlb prevent scea from using any number they feel like to use? They'd just be guessing and estimating anyways. Or do they get some secrect list with the actual player salaries which they have to avoid to use in the game. That would be pretty ridiculous. Sometimes it seems like a game without any licence could actually be closer to real life in many ways than one under all kinds of restrictions which come with having one

My guess is it's as simple as the fact that for whatever reason, MLB asked SCEA not to use them and with everything MLB has given to the game it was a simple enough request that they felt implied to comply to.

It's a little annoying but really not that big of a deal.

I just think if MLB asks them to do one thing, they go ahead and do it.

[geisterhome]

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My guess is it's as simple as the fact that for whatever reason, MLB asked SCEA not to use them and with everything MLB has given to the game it was a simple enough request that they felt implied to comply to.

It's a little annoying but really not that big of a deal.

I just think if MLB asks them to do one thing, they go ahead and do it.

[Totte]

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I don't care if the contracts are off out of the box but being able to simply fix the length and values of each player through Edit Player would be just fine

[Bobhead]

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While we are on the subject... even if The Show is never allowed to ever use real life contract data... my only wish is that they do a better job of making the numbers "to scale."

Curtis Granderson should not have a bigger contract than Albert Pujols.

Simple as that.

I don't know if such scales and rankings are also prohibited by MLB but I can dream!

[rjackson]

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And NONE of this is the point of this thread.

I can agree with that so I won't say no more, but the point of your post was disappointing so I had to call foul.
You said

It IS our business because it is us that pays those salaries. Without us, they have no job to go to.

My point is that YOU do not pay those salaries except in the most indirect and loose sense of it. Your logic is unequivocally the same as expecting to know how much the Manager of Home Depot makes because you are buying some fertilizer for your lawn. Without us going there, that Manager does not have a job to go to. So, until you tell us where you work and how much you make, this is an epic logic fail.

Also

Very few financial records of any company/business are private records.

Baseball teams are not private businesses and you can find the financial terms of any contract.

Is MLB or any team traded on a stock exchange? No--that is why there are no SEC filings. These are largely private ownership groups. Forbes and Bloomberg make educated guesses on what information they can get and they both disagree. You cannot find accurate information. Here is the only one that might be accurate if it is not propoganda: To explain his thinking, Monfort, for the first time, provided The Denver Post with a line-by-line budget.

To claim you can write a team and get the information? Wrong. If you really want to try, Oakland would be a good place to start. The city of San Jose has been trying to force discovery: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/san-j...t-court-order/

I highly recommend anything by Wendy Thurm if you are interested in the biz side of baseball. I think we should ask her why we cannot get at least prorated/scaled salaries in this game!

[Curahee]

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Well, we'll agree to disagree then.... strongly.

Happy Holidays!

[decga]

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To me its a moot point the contracts and correct length. How many of us are playing multiple seasons. The most people who do are simming through. It more 1 year contracts in the Show than I would like to see. But if the game comes out in March and we're starting your franchise play. You just have to be content to take as is...