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  • nomo17k
    Permanently Banned
    • Feb 2011
    • 5735

    #31
    Re: Contact or Power swinging?

    Originally posted by rjackson
    Thank you Nomo, I appreciate it a lot. I've seen you reference this strategy guide but I have not found it in the game, even downloaded an extra for '12 that ended up just being controls and not strategy per se. I realize that you are not obligated to answer us so your input is very appreciated.
    The Strategy Guide that I often refer to is only accessible in the pause menu during you play a game. During a game, pause and one of the menu items on the first screen should have it.

    ...

    It could impact my gameplay on when I use power swings so getting a clear answer is huge benefit to me and this thread. For instance, I have a player with average contact & power but high vision. I thought that the high vision allowed me to be more aggressive with the power swings. Now I see that it does but not as much as I thought previously. I also have a player like in Nomo's video but with average rather than low contact that I'd try to maximize what little power he had with power swings early. Now, I have to rethink that to an extent. I'm glad that OP made this thread.
    Much of what I say is mostly coming from my own experience using these swing styles, so I don't know if I'm totally correct.

    I didn't mean to say that high Vision wouldn't help with your power swing, though. You would be getting a bit more help making contact with power swing if Vision is high. What I meant is that power (or normal or contact, for that matter) swing is a power swing, regardless of the situation you use it, meaning the game doesn't automatically penalize/boost you based on the "situation," since I thought that's what you were asking.

    The way I currently understand how Contact, Vision, and Power get modified by the type of swing goes like this... Relative to normal swing:

    Contact swing: Your Vision increases, while Contact and Power both decrease. In turn, you can foul off more pitches around the PCI, but your ability to square up (to produce line drives) and hit harder suffers a bit.

    Power swing: Your Vision and Contact decrease, while Power increases. In turn, you lose ability to foul off borderline pitches and also the ability to square up, but when you actually make contact, you tend to hit the ball much harder.

    This is how *I* feel when I use different swings. So this dictates how I choose which type of swing.
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    • nomo17k
      Permanently Banned
      • Feb 2011
      • 5735

      #32
      Re: Contact or Power swinging?

      Originally posted by KBLover
      Seems like a naming issue more than anything since the way you explained the kid in your video makes sense.

      Contact would be a good name for what that kid is doing. After all, even in the real game "making contact" = not striking out.

      But then what would be the name for the ability to square up a pitch (basically what "Contact" is doing)? Personally, I wouldn't mind if they just called it BABIP, or even just BA, since it's pretty much what the rating is doing (better quality contact = more hard hit balls = more hits on average).
      Yeah, it can come down to "what's in a name" type of thing... But BABIP could be misleading for some type of hitter. Like Ichiro for example. He made tons of safe hits out of poorly hit grounders. That's entirely different from a guy like Miguel Cabrera or Joe Mauer, even if their batting averages are all around .320. Unfortunately, we cannot quite emulate a hitter like him in The Show, but I guess that actually tells us what the current limitations are in the game system.


      BTW that video was awesome. Banning fouling off pitches for the sake of fouling off pitches? Sheez. I bet it was controversial, and how do you enforce such a rule?
      It was controversial exactly because enforcing a rule like this is difficult due to subjective nature of decisions... I revisited the news and it was actually decided that a swing like that would be considered a bunt in future, so that fouling after two strikes would be an out. I think it's silly, but the kid was playing like that at-bat in the video the whole game. In one game, 41 pitches were thrown just to walk/retire the kid. Presumably, the concern was more about the toll on pitching.
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      • lhslancers
        Banned
        • Nov 2011
        • 3589

        #33
        Re: Contact or Power swinging?

        What's next? Put the ball on a tee? One swing? Fouling off pitches is part of baseball just like the stall is in basketball.

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        • Scott
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          • Jul 2002
          • 20032

          #34
          Re: Contact or Power swinging?

          Pretty much only contact for me, unless I have a power hitter in a hitters count.
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          • rjackson
            MVP
            • Apr 2005
            • 1661

            #35
            Re: Contact or Power swinging?

            Yeah, that strategy guide says that contact swings should be used rarely e.g. man on third with 1 out against a strikeout pitcher. Power swings should be used in hitter's counts when the pitch is catching a lot of that center square of the 3x3 grid. Power swings will get more fouls on pitches that a normal swing would have put in play, as well.

            I definitely saw a difference in my thinking on approaching situations last night. Against a tough pitcher, I got him to throw 75 pitches in 3 innings, coaxed a bunch of walks being selectively aggressive, hit 3 dingers, blah blah blah. Small sample size and confirmation bias be damned, there was no doubt in my mind that there was a falsifiable difference.

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            • Bobhead
              Pro
              • Mar 2011
              • 4926

              #36
              Re: Contact or Power swinging?

              Originally posted by rjackson
              I definitely saw a difference in my thinking on approaching situations last night. Against a tough pitcher, I got him to throw 75 pitches in 3 innings, coaxed a bunch of walks being selectively aggressive, hit 3 dingers, blah blah blah. Small sample size and confirmation bias be damned, there was no doubt in my mind that there was a falsifiable difference.
              After doing what, exactly??

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              • dingleberryfinn
                Banned
                • May 2010
                • 1736

                #37
                Re: Contact or Power swinging?

                Originally posted by deckofcards77
                What's the most effective way to swing? Do you still hit homers with a contact swing?
                Triangle gets the most homers

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                • KBLover
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 12172

                  #38
                  Re: Contact or Power swinging?

                  Originally posted by nomo17k
                  It was controversial exactly because enforcing a rule like this is difficult due to subjective nature of decisions... I revisited the news and it was actually decided that a swing like that would be considered a bunt in future, so that fouling after two strikes would be an out. I think it's silly, but the kid was playing like that at-bat in the video the whole game. In one game, 41 pitches were thrown just to walk/retire the kid. Presumably, the concern was more about the toll on pitching.
                  Dang. 41 pitches.

                  I'd tell my pitchers to just throw the ball in the dirt. If he takes four times - great, it's a walk and not a lot of wasted energy. If he's more interested in fouling off than actually work the count and protect the plate, maybe he'll fish and get himself out.

                  Or maybe just throw him knuckleballs - Easy on the arm (as far as pitching goes anyway) and the movement might stop the fouling off because he'll get fooled
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