PCI Change

[tessl]

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A couple years back I believe Brian mentioned wanting to write one up (at least relating to the hitting and pitching coding, etc). It's been a while so I could be mistaken.

That would be some awesome though. I'd buy it.

Same here.

[bcruise]

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Water temple? Have you been playing too much MLB:The Tomb Raider lately? HAHA

LoZ: Ocarina of Time reference. Water Temple's known for being one of those areas that really stumped people without a guide.

Maybe you already knew that, but just in case there's a generation gap there...

[darkknightrises]

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Lol water timple how much I love it lol. Can never go wrong with a Zelda references has it is my favorite game franchise ever!

[A_Quiet_Pro]

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I never really got into Zelda, so that's why i missed the reference. I've always been big on mainly sports titles my whole life.

[Bobhead]

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I never really got into Zelda, so that's why i missed the reference. I've always been big on mainly sports titles my whole life.

Mannnnnnn for a split second I thought you said "I've always been big on manly sports titles"

We were about to have a problem!

[darkknightrises]

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I used to be mosly just sports games has I am a big time sports fan now more then like 80% of people when it comes to sports and watch a lot of sports its about all I watch. But last gen I strated to play more other games but I still play sports games to and that is why I thought about wanting to get a ps4 has I still have a backlock of like 20 games to play form last gen and I really don't have enough time to play games with work and watching sports and what knot but I did get a ps4 at lanch and got nba 2k14 and cant weight for mlb 14 the show on ps4. I love how the delevipers come on hear all the time and ansewer things they are alsome and make by far the best sports game out there and are alrease trying to make the game even better.

[cardinalbird5]

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I guess I don't understand the point of the change.

Power hitter's that strike out a lot or do not have a high BA shouldn't have huge PCI's just because of their power. If I use someone like Jose Bautista or Jay Bruce I should expect them to strike out a lot. Now their PCI size will be bigger than it should.

I doubt it makes a difference honestly, but I don't see this as being anything innovative right now. I thought it was fine.

Besides I've always found power the most important attribute, because it directly correlates on how fast the ball comes off the bat. I could usually hit .300+ with guys that have 80+ power and 50-60 contact even with their smaller PCI's.

That is just my opinion though...

[tessl]

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I guess I don't understand the point of the change.

Power hitter's that strike out a lot or do not have a high BA shouldn't have huge PCI's just because of their power. If I use someone like Jose Bautista or Jay Bruce I should expect them to strike out a lot. Now their PCI size will be bigger than it should.

I doubt it makes a difference honestly, but I don't see this as being anything innovative right now. I thought it was fine.

Besides I've always found power the most important attribute, because it directly correlates on how fast the ball comes off the bat. I could usually hit .300+ with guys that have 80+ power and 50-60 contact even with their smaller PCI's.

That is just my opinion though...

I'm pretty sure Brian said it is only a visual change. The point of the change most likely is the same as left handed infielders which is there were people asking for the change.

[cardinalbird5]

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I don't see how it can be a visual change and directly tied into increasing OPS.

That makes no sense at all. Is the PCI now going to be misleading and lie for someone that has high power?

[bcruise]

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I thought this post explained it pretty well:

Just to give more background information..Some people were pointing out that the "best" hitters weren't always getting assigned the biggest PCI. I.e. the PCI represents contact/vision, leaving power out. This worked fine for the hitting engine, but visually it makes more sense to include power because this is how the pitcher thinks when he decides how to pitch to the hitter. Only the more sophisticated users understood why the PCI was higher for contact hitters than pure power hitters, and this change hopefully helps resolve that confusion for everyone.

This style of pci size relates to how much "threat" the batter is generating at the plate, leading the pitcher to pitch around. Power hitters also cover more of the plate than their contact alone allows, because in crude terms they can turn a bad hit into a good hit (ex. a hit to the warning track becomes a home run). In technical terms though, the hitting engine doesn't think this way. It first gives contact hitters better contact, and then adds on power for the extra swing speed of power hitters. The old PCI represented this concept faithfully, but it's arguably harder to explain than the new system.

Higher OPS = higher "threat" = larger PCI now. I don't really see that as the PCI "lying", but ymmv.

[Jgainsey]

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I don't see how it can be a visual change and directly tied into increasing OPS.

That makes no sense at all. Is the PCI now going to be misleading and lie for someone that has high power?

The PCI change is not directly tied into increasing OPS. The size of the PCI has been adjusted to better represent power, but everything going on under the hood(player/pitcher stats, pitch execution, swing timing, etc...) will still behave in roughly the same way as it always has.

The size of the PCI will represent higher OPS better than it has in the past, but it has more to do affecting the way a pitcher approaches a hitter than it does with anything else.

If you're thinking of the PCI as if it were an old school hitting cursor, then I could see where people may be confused about the change. And while the PCI does exhibit some characteristics of a hitting cursor, you would probably be better off thinking of it as a representation of a batter's overall hitting ability. And given the amount of value power has in offensive ability, the PCI was tweaked visually, to better represent offensive talent. Kind of in the same way that OPS generally is a better measure of overall offensive talent than just batting average alone.

I think the biggest reason for the change was to have the AI and player pitch to dangerous hitters more appropriately. I'm not 100% sure on all of this... But from what the devs said about the change, I think that is basically the gist of it.

So it really is more of a visual change that anything else.

[cardinalbird5]

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So higher Ops players will just have a bigger PCI yet it won't change anything on the field meaning its pointless. Gotcha

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[THESHAMISASHAME]

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So higher Ops players will just have a bigger PCI yet it won't change anything on the field meaning its pointless. Gotcha

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Yep sadly just another visual that adds nothing to real user input or skill but my only hope is it may seem more realistic and less of a forced feeling at times and not just a random shake of the dice for the sake of sim .

[KBLover]

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In other words, the PCI size now correlates more closely with OPS, rather than AVG. If you go through the lineup, the best hitters will have the biggest PCI, rather than just the "high contact" hitters. The hitting engine itself splits off Contact, Vision, and Power as individual components for evaluation and this change does not affect that.

Liking this game more and more and it's not even out yet.

[KBLover]

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I don't see how it can be a visual change and directly tied into increasing OPS.

That makes no sense at all. Is the PCI now going to be misleading and lie for someone that has high power?

More like representing that they can kill the ball from anywhere in the zone (or maybe even out of it).

Think of the difference between, say, Vlad Guerrero and some light-hitting .230 scrub.

Vlad's PCI should be big - he could hit crap way out of the zone solidly, let alone what was in it. Same for other top hitters who can combine both power and bat control.

It's a better "hot zones", imo. Seems like it will represent holes in a guy's swing more relative to where he's looking.

Power being included makes sense because in this regard since it reflects more the strength/bat speed of the hitter, not just "where he can get perfect wood on the pitch".

As for it making a difference on the field - maybe not from the hitter's perspective, since it's still regarding the abilities. But it may do more to impact pitcher strategy, would could have an impact on the field in terms of production, pitch count and selection, etc.