Quick counts question..??

[RedSoxFox7]

Re: Quick counts question..??

Nice to see the saber guys show up in yet another thread and attempt to pass theories and analytics based opinions off as facts. That along with their condescension never get old.

Thanks for derailing another thread and giving us another helping of that "I know more than you", attitude that never ceases to annoy.

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Theories and analytics are, by definition, supported by facts.

If you don't know what the terminology means, it's no wonder you feel threatened by those who have taken the time to inform themselves more than you.

[CleveCluby]

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Mabster, Thanks for the reply and explanation.. I appreciate it.. Wasn't sure if it could be done, that's why i said it was just a thought and wishful thinking..

[Ghost Of The Year]

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Yes, myth.

Plenty more teams have failed to come up with any runs when giving up free outs. On average, which matters far more than any anecdotal outliers, giving up outs in exchange for advancing runners is a fool's errand.

You have to look at it in "anecdotal outlier" terms because you must take each situation on a case-by-case basis. A fool's errand is trying to score 5 runs when you only need one to win. Confucius sayPigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. Moral of story - Don't get greedy. The whole trick is most people do not know when to bunt and when to let it ride. While there are way more times than not you SHOULDN'T bunt, there are also legit reasons to do so. At the end of the day, the person who would rather his pitcher swing away than bunt most likely has little to no confidence in either his pitching, or his defense.
#OneInTheHandIsWorthTwoInTheBush

[bkrich83]

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Theories and analytics are, by definition, supported by facts.

If you don't know what the terminology means, it's no wonder you feel threatened by those who have taken the time to inform themselves more than you.

Not sure how you confused my amusement at the predictability of your posts and your pattern of posts with feeling threatened or a lack of understanding, but thank you for proving my previous point.

[tanchl]

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I can pinpoint exactly where the derailment took place, and the discussion has been entertaining and fun, except for the occasional elementary playground shenanigans.

Paraphrasing the question that caused the derailment, what if you need to bunt? This debate has become mainstream thanks to Moneyball when once upon a time it was just something expected because the "book" said so.

Nobody can argue against the fact that there are situations that require a bunt, regardless of what probability will tell you. So, coming around to the original question, and a great question by the way, using QC will curb your ability to have total control over all situations. You have to have that understanding when you use QC. If such a situation has arisen I guess you cross your fingers and pray for a workable count.

This discussion has been fun to follow and has helped me realize that QC will shorten your game, but handcuff you in some areas. Fair enough.

[RedSoxFox7]

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You have to look at it in "anecdotal outlier" terms because you must take each situation on a case-by-case basis.

If you want to lose, sure, ignore all the statistics and go with your gut (which is really all you're doing here). You can be the next Dusty Baker or Ruben Amaro, Jr.

A fool's errand is trying to score 5 runs when you only need one to win. Confucius sayPigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. Moral of story - Don't get greedy. The whole trick is most people do not know when to bunt and when to let it ride. While there are way more times than not you SHOULDN'T bunt, there are also legit reasons to do so. At the end of the day, the person who would rather his pitcher swing away than bunt most likely has little to no confidence in either his pitching, or his defense.
#OneInTheHandIsWorthTwoInTheBush

In cases where you only need one, you can look at the stats for scoring one run. On average, that means going from bunting isn't a good idea even with your pitchers, to bunting with a pitcher makes sense in a couple of cases - really not a huge difference, and sac bunting with any non-pitcher is still a terrible decision.

At the end of the day, the person who would rather his pitcher swing away most of the time is the one who wants to score runs and win games. The idiot who doesn't want to score runs can say it's because he trusts his pitching and defense, but it doesn't make him any less of an idiot.

[aariediger]

Stealing

In my opinion, here's how bunting works, which do you want higher:

Chance to score at least one run

Higher number of runs on average

Late in the game, it makes more sense to bunt for one run. On the whole, I only ever bunt with pitchers (sometimes), and late in a close game with runners on first and second with no outs and a light hitter at the plate. You can tell if someone is Saber-happy if they do this, or bat their pitcher 8th, or stick Joe Mauer and Joey Votto in the 2 hole. And use their 'closer' in the fireman role, like 7th inning two on no out three run lead. You want to play smarter to win, and managing the game correctly helps.

Anyway, using quick counts, what has anyone found needs to change for stealing sliders? I've been leaving baserunning on auto, and liked the idea of better baserunners just having the green light for when they thought the time was right. So, do we need to turn up BR frequency? Maybe BR ability too, to compensate for the fact that they may be running in less advantageous situations?

[sinizin]

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Just played my first quick count game. Thought I'd love it, but I was annoyed in the later innings.

Once my starter got to the 90 pitch count I started warming up a few guys in the bullpen. But when I went to put them in the game, I had counts of 3 balls and 1 strike the first time and a full count the second. It just made it feel so cheap putting in a relief pitcher when I had such counts that I pretty much had to throw a strike.

Also When the pc put in a lefty and I wanted to sub out my strong defensive, but poor hitting left handed shortstop for a power hitting right hander, the count was already 0 and 2.

Makes substitutions really annoying.

Like someone said, being able to turn it off for an at-bat or inning would make this mode perfect!

Don't see myself using it as is. I'm too much of a purist and enjoy the match ups and switching players to counter others too much to just pretty much skip that part of the game.