NY Yankees Pitching Edits

[Erick]

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Erick -

Any updates for relievers? Not sure if you even plan on doing that, but I was just wondering. I really like what you've done with the starters.

Yeah sorry I've been a bit busy lately. I was gunna shoot for this week but had no time. I'll try to get the relievers in at some point on Sunday.

[BleacherCreature]

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Any delivery edits would be helpful in here too.
Per someone's suggestion I have switched Javy Vazquez' delivery to Wandy Rodriguez. Seems to be pretty good.
I also changed Phil Hughes to generic 15 I think.

[Erick]

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Any delivery edits would be helpful in here too.
Per someone's suggestion I have switched Javy Vazquez' delivery to Wandy Rodriguez. Seems to be pretty good.
I also changed Phil Hughes to generic 15 I think.

Nice I'll take a look at Gen 15 for Hughes and Wandy's for Javy.
I know Rob_NYY has a pretty good list. I'll take a look at those and post here.

Or if JKRA would be kind enough to put some of the delivery edits on the first page for easy access.

[yankeesolo2246]

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Any delivery edits would be helpful in here too.
Per someone's suggestion I have switched Javy Vazquez' delivery to Wandy Rodriguez. Seems to be pretty good.
I also changed Phil Hughes to generic 15 I think.

i suggested Wandy for Javy in another Yankee edit thread. I rather like it.

i'm going to try g-15 for Hughes...i've been looking for something new to try with Hughes.

[BleacherCreature]

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I like the g-15 for Hughes. Only thing about it is he does a little lift with his plant foot right before his other leg comes forward. Looks a little off, but I like the way the overall motion is.

[jkra0512]

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Erick what do you want me to put up? Hughes and Vazquez delivery edits?

[Erick]

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Erick what do you want me to put up? Hughes and Vazquez delivery edits?

Na it's cool man, nevermind.

I have the MLB Yankees relievers pitch edits here. Feel free to tinker around with them as you wish. They feel pretty good for me so far.

Chan Ho Park
Running FB
80
76
77

Slider
60
80
79

12-6 Curve
70
64
72

Changeup
31
61
59

2 Seam FB
74
64
63

Damaso Marte
Running FB
74
77
86

Slurve
63
76
84

Changeup
26
56
66

Joba Chamberlain
Running FB
82
76
60

Slider
58
79
96

Curveball
59
52
69

Changeup
31
43
62

David Robertson
Cutter
75
72
35

Curveball
66
75
87

Slider
77
54
76

Changeup
19
41
88

Alfredo Aceves
4 Seam FB
58
84
50

Cutter
54
80
61

Circle Change
66
80
78

Curveball
66
46
68

Boone Logan
Running FB
82
69
38

Slider
31
74
86

Changeup
23
59
60

Mariano seems fine to me so I didn't really do anything to him. Just switch out the four seamer for a running FB if you want.

ENJOY!

[Melanconfan]

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Neither Hughes nor Robertson throw sliders.

[Erick]

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Neither Hughes nor Robertson throw sliders.

I based these pitches off movement. Secondly Robertson does throw a slider - a plus slider at that.

Hughes cutter reacts like a slider according to pitch FX which is why I gave him a slider.

[Melanconfan]

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Secondly Robertson does throw a slider - a plus slider at that.

Plus slider? What are you basing this off of?
EDIT: Did some more research and you are right that he does throw a slider. Still want to know where you get the impression it's plus though.

Hughes cutter reacts like a slider according to pitch FX which is why I gave him a slider.

Pitch FX misreads pitch types quite often, or at least did last year. I've heard this is fixed this year but we'll see. Take a look at some graphs of the movement.

Notice all the "sliders" are in the same area the cutters are. There's no real difference between the two.

[BleacherCreature]

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Chan Ho Park
Running FB
80
76
77

Slider
60
80
79

12-6 Curve
70
64
72

Changeup
31
61
59

2 Seam FB
74
64
63

In my season I need the option for Park to throw batting practice fastballs, since that's all he throws for me.

[Erick]

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Hey melanconfan, again I base these off movement not by what they really have.

I think I read somewhere for Robertson that he had a plus slider. I could look it up if your curious. And I know Michael Kay mentioned it one time. Also Robertson throws a 4 seamer but since he has natural cut to his fastball, I gave him a cutter.

Hughes did scrap the slider, it's true. His cutter, however, has so much movement sometimes that it reacts like a slider,, which the pitch fx data shows. Like you said it's all one pitch really- the cutter, but it gets varying degrees of movement which is why I gave him both to compensate.

Again I DO NOT go by what they really throw. I go by movement of the pitches. Hope that helps!

Come to think of it Robertson might have a plus cutter not a plus slider. But that scouting report was taken when he was still in the minors. Now u got me curious

[Melanconfan]

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Hughes did scrap the slider, it's true. His cutter, however, has so much movement sometimes that it reacts like a slider,, which the pitch fx data shows. Like you said it's all one pitch really- the cutter, but it gets varying degrees of movement which is why I gave him both to compensate.

I understand what your thinking is, but I feel your interpretation of the pitch is flawed. I don't think the graph I wanted to post worked so here's a link to it: Click
On the spin movement graphs (5th, and 6th down) the "sliders" register in the same range movement-wise as the cutter. There is some variation of movement on the graph, but if you narrow the sample to later in the season, the movement starts to get more consistent which could be attributed to him becoming more comfortable and consistent with the pitch. Really, I just think giving him a slider with the cutter is frivolous as even with what variation there is, it's not much more than what you get from moving the pitch in, out, up, and down in the game.

Come to think of it Robertson might have a plus cutter not a plus slider. But that scouting report was taken when he was still in the minors. Now u got me curious

I think I'm familiar with what this is (not the report but what they are talking about). If it's from when he was in the minors I wouldn't be surprised if they're talking about his curve. Either way as I understand it, he does have a slider around mid eighties, but I see no reason to think it's anything more than a show-me pitch.

[Erick]

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I understand what your thinking is, but I feel your interpretation of the pitch is flawed. I don't think the graph I wanted to post worked so here's a link to it: Click
On the spin movement graphs (5th, and 6th down) the "sliders" register in the same range movement-wise as the cutter. There is some variation of movement on the graph, but if you narrow the sample to later in the season, the movement starts to get more consistent which could be attributed to him becoming more comfortable and consistent with the pitch. Really, I just think giving him a slider with the cutter is frivolous as even with what variation there is, it's not much more than what you get from moving the pitch in, out, up, and down in the game.

Fair enough. And looking at the FX data you posted, I can see your point. But again these are all just subjective. From my point of view, from seeing him pitch this year and looking at data of him (whether it's scouting or FX) his cutter has really increased in its break to the point where, at times, it's in that muddy area of a slider or cutter.

Having said that, I may go back in and clean up and fine tune some of the pitches. I agree that having two pitches represent basically the same pitch may be a little overdoing it. But, these are just edits, and changes will be inevitable.


I think I'm familiar with what this is (not the report but what they are talking about). If it's from when he was in the minors I wouldn't be surprised if they're talking about his curve. Either way as I understand it, he does have a slider around mid eighties, but I see no reason to think it's anything more than a show-me pitch.

Well I looked into it a bit and he did throw it last year albeit very sporadically. For a guy who comes in one, maybe two innings per stint, a third pitch won't really get much use. I will probably stick with the slider for him and just decrease it's attributes, as the changeup he currently has in-game was used the least.

[jkra0512]

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Do we have enough info to do a Melancon edit?

Here's what I gathered (numbers in parentheses are horizontal and vertical movement, respectively):

Mark Melancon
Fastball: 92 mph (-5.0, 9.5)
Curveball: 84 mph (-3.0, -6.7)
Changeup: 83 mph (-7.1, -0.5)

For comparison's sake I looked at Alfredo Aceves' Pitchfx and Melancon compares favorably.

Alfredo Aceves
Fastball: 91 mph (-5.1, 9.7)
Curveball: 79 mph (4.8, -6.6)
Changeup: 83 mph (-8.3, 6.7)

Data from fangraphs.com
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Erick, what can we deduct from this? Their fastballs are almost identical (control-wise, probably not). Seems like Aceves' curveball sweeps through the zone more than Melancon's. Anyway, let me know what you think.