MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

[caseyj622]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

Okay cool thanks for the heads up. These pitch edits are amazing. Looks like you did a ton of work. Thanks again.

[Clarityman]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

I will look into your concerns but he is right. That thread was created for people to offer things like changes in arsenal, signature pitches, things that would fans would know better than a scout on his website so there certainly was a chance for extra info to be presented. Those things can be mentioned before the set is released. Next year just play it safe. Assume that I know absolutely nothing about this stuff and mention it anyway.

EDIT: On Okajima my sources indicate a splitter or forkball and no changeup. On Bard, however, there is a seldom used changeup mentioned and I will get that added. On Daisuke I'll look into that further after bb/9 and things like that are edited for him

Okay, will do. Next year I will look to contribute more from the start. Thank you very much for considering these things.

Here is the source concerning Oki's circle change, called the Okie-Dokie. It's a signature pitch of Okajima's, a psuedo-change with screwball-like qualities, which is why I think circle change is the best choice for it: http://firebrandal.com/2009/12/20/ca...kie-dokie.html

EDIT: Not sure if you're thinking the splitter is the same as the Okie-Dokie, just from what I've seen on TV, he seems to definitely throw a splitter seperate from a breaking ball that runs in on lefties.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

Okay, will do. Next year I will look to contribute more from the start. Thank you very much for considering these things.

Here is the source concerning Oki's circle change, called the Okie-Dokie. It's a signature pitch of Okajima's, a psuedo-change with screwball-like qualities, which is why I think circle change is the best choice for it: http://firebrandal.com/2009/12/20/ca...kie-dokie.html

EDIT: Not sure if you're thinking the splitter is the same as the Okie-Dokie, just from what I've seen on TV, he seems to definitely throw a splitter seperate from a breaking ball that runs in on lefties.

From that article it says fastball, curve with the changeup/splitter/screwball thing which is interpreted by the scout that runs 60ft6in and fangraphs as a splitter.

[strut24]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

hey guys, just got home from work and I should have some time to get my stances/motions done. Most of it is just entering everyone from my list but there are a good 20 or so guys who have been called up recently that I still need to get to. I will then either sendspace the file or SportsConnect the file over to Knight or HustlinOwl so they can release both the ROSTER file (v3.1?) and the FRANCHISE file and then I believe JaSnake will take it and do the SCEA attribute edits and will then release both a ROSTER (V4)file and FRANCHISE file of that as well. I will also try to post my Word file that goes with these edits so everyone can see my multiple edits that can be used for some stances/motions as well as see the few guys who have been called up and either haven't played yet or got sent back down before playing at all. Those will be the only guys who don't have a stance or motion. Also, I haven't done any pitchers batting stances yet except for a handful and there also seem to be quite a few jersey # mistakes so if anyone wants to work on that stuff, that'd be cool too

[gocubsgo]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

hey guys, just got home from work and I should have some time to get my stances/motions done. Most of it is just entering everyone from my list but there are a good 20 or so guys who have been called up recently that I still need to get to. I will then either sendspace the file or SportsConnect the file over to Knight or HustlinOwl so they can release both the ROSTER file (v3.1?) and the FRANCHISE file and then I believe JaSnake will take it and do the SCEA attribute edits and will then release both a ROSTER (V4)file and FRANCHISE file of that as well. I will also try to post my Word file that goes with these edits so everyone can see my multiple edits that can be used for some stances/motions as well as see the few guys who have been called up and either haven't played yet or got sent back down before playing at all. Those will be the only guys who don't have a stance or motion. Also, I haven't done any pitchers batting stances yet except for a handful and there also seem to be quite a few jersey # mistakes so if anyone wants to work on that stuff, that'd be cool too

Nice to get an update, do you think the V.3 with your update will be released tonight? i dont want to download the current V.3 start my franchise just to see the "better" version of V.3 out there

[cactusruss]

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Stamina wasn't based on pitch count. It was based on this formula that Rod_Carew29 allowed me to use.

My formula:

for starters, I take their total innngs, divide by the number of game starts and add 10. If the guy has any complete games, I add 5 for each one.

So...

you have a guy who pitched 175.2 innings, 30 starts with 1 complete game

175.2 divided by 30 = 5.8 (which is 5.8 innings per start) + 10 = 6.8, which will become 68 (for our use) + 5 (for the complete game) = 73



* formula taken from this thread
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ost-cases.html

That doesn't make any sense. Innings pitched isn't always a good indication of a pitchers real stamina... a pitcher could have alot of gas left in the tank and still be pulled after 5 innings because he is getting hit hard.

Then again, I've never been a fan of the ratings that rod carew guy gives his CAPS.

[RAZRr1275]

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That doesn't make any sense. Innings pitched isn't always a good indication of a pitchers real stamina... a pitcher could have alot of gas left in the tank and still be pulled after 5 innings because he is getting hit hard.

Then again, I've never been a fan of the ratings that rod carew guy gives his CAPS.

Well if you want response as to why he uses the ratings that he does the link to the thread is there

[xNobleEaglex]

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Okay, will do. Next year I will look to contribute more from the start. Thank you very much for considering these things.

Here is the source concerning Oki's circle change, called the Okie-Dokie. It's a signature pitch of Okajima's, a psuedo-change with screwball-like qualities, which is why I think circle change is the best choice for it: http://firebrandal.com/2009/12/20/ca...kie-dokie.html

EDIT: Not sure if you're thinking the splitter is the same as the Okie-Dokie, just from what I've seen on TV, he seems to definitely throw a splitter seperate from a breaking ball that runs in on lefties.

Looking at the scouting reports I used, it says the splitter is his best pitch, so that's probably referring to the "Okie-Dokie". And after watching countless hours of video on each team, I have to say there wasn't much tail on the ones I saw from him giving it a more of a "split" look. Of course, while editing 700 pitchers (each with at least 3 pitches in the game...so we're talking anywhere between 2100 (minimum) to 3500 (maximum) pitches total) it's highly likely that every single person that uses it won't like at least one pitch (and probably more) that we edited . I'm not claiming to be perfect with these edits in anyway, and Razr would probably say the same. So, of course, feel free to change a few pitches to make it more realistic for yourself.

@ the person who asked how we compiled information. I used 60ft6in.com, several different magazines, as well as hours upon hours of video on each player that had it available. The pitch types were based on each players pitch break not their grips (so for example, CC Sabathia may use a 4-seam fastball grip, but if his scouting reports say something like "natural LHP tailing action", then we'd give him a 2 seamer since that would mean the pitch would move down and away from RH batters)

[JayD]

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Razrr, I noticed that many of the pitchers do not have a 4seam fastball in their repertoire and now the majority have a running fastball. During your research for pitch edits did you discover that not many pitchers throw a straight 4seamer?

[BeerViewMirror]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

wow, why all the hate? I think these pitch edits are great. You guys do an amazing job. I'm waiting until June to buy the game next year though because after waiting for these updates this year I can never play the "original" game ever again.

I love this site.

[Dean3790]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

Is it more difficult to hit against pitchers with these pitch edits? I am finding it a bit harder...is anyone else?

[abcabc]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

Razrr, I noticed that many of the pitchers do not have a 4seam fastball in their repertoire and now the majority have a running fastball. During your research for pitch edits did you discover that not many pitchers throw a straight 4seamer?

its just that many throw it with movement and the scea 4 seam has no movement.

[Clarityman]

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The more time I spend with V.3, the more I love these pitch edits. The fact that fastballs have so much movement means less hits and less solid contact on default sliders, which translates into more realistic box scores.

I'm also seeing less relentless comebacks, both by me and the CPU, again probably because it's harder to square up on the fastball.

I did give up an 8-4 lead in the ninth vs the Marlins with the Phillies last night (Baez and Madson spoiling 7 innings of 1-run ball from Halladay-yuck!), so that shows that anything can still happen, but overall everything's just felt a lot more balanced.

It's also more challenging, as Knight has said, as it should be facing major league pitchers! The movement on the pitches is sick, so it makes it even more satisfying to make solid contact. I'm K'ing a lot all of a sudden, LOL, so I'll have to adjust.

I just used Lincecum against the Mets and posted a final line of 8.0 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5K's. And it was incredibly fun.

This is really fantastic.

[KensaiKatai]

Re: MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

The more time I spend with V.3, the more I love these pitch edits. The fact that fastballs have so much movement means less hits and less solid contact on default sliders, which translates into more realistic box scores.

I'm also seeing less relentless comebacks, both by me and the CPU, again probably because it's harder to square up on the fastball.

I did give up an 8-4 lead in the ninth vs the Marlins with the Phillies last night (Baez and Madson spoiling 7 innings of 1-run ball from Halladay-yuck!), so that shows that anything can still happen, but overall everything's just felt a lot more balanced.

It's also more challenging, as Knight has said, as it should be facing major league pitchers! The movement on the pitches is sick, so it makes it even more satisfying to make solid contact. I'm K'ing a lot all of a sudden, LOL, so I'll have to adjust.

I just used Lincecum against the Mets and posted a final line of 8.0 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5K's. And it was incredibly fun.

This is really fantastic.

haha why do you think we've been waiting?!

i edited a couple teams pitchers when i started my chise way back on version 1 and i noticed the difference immediately in the gameplay. (using the same formula as these guys of course (2 seamers etc) It was at that point i decided i can't even play a 'chise until version 4 comes out lol. It really makes a remarkable difference.

Thanks for everything guys, you truly have made this game worthwhile for a great many of us.

Just waiting on Strut and then epic baseball shall commence!!

Thanks again guys.

[fnz]

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Again thanks to everyone for everything. The pitch edits are just another great add on to the game, and I'm finally glad to see Daniel Ray Herrera has his screwball!

Strut, are your stance edits based off of your own notes? Or are you looking at the pages on here and TheShow forums as well.