Jiminez Attributes

[InSainn]

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Just like all fast balls tail to some extent, all changeups fall to the arm side to some extent (same type of movement as a 2-seam fastball). But that doesn't mean I, personally, would give everyone a running FB and circle change in the game. It goes back to the fact that not all slider slide at the same angle and not all curves curve at the same angle. The same can be said about the fastball and changeup. I'm not going to give James Shields and Clay Buccholz circle changes just because the ball does not fall 12-6 like it does in the game. Their changes tail slightly, but mainly the bottom drops out of it, which is where the majority of their movement goes.

In short I'd give Jimenez a running FB and a straight change. Of course, it's all up to the user and that's what makes this game awesome

I agree with most of what you said here but I wouldn't go with a running fastball as the break on his 4-seamer is only 20.2 degrees on average, which is definitely not enough to warrent a running fastball. The only pitchers, in my opinion, that should have running fastballs are those with a break angle of at least 45 degree or more (and to my knowledge there's only 3-5 pitchers in all of baseball with that drastic of a break).

[goldberg25]

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what is his first name and any help would be great.

[uf2005]

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what is his first name and any help would be great.

Sorry but really? You could google this in seconds but if you would rather have someone respond it's Ubaldo.... oh and it's actually Jimenez... spelled wrong by the person who started the thread.

[uf2005]

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I agree with most of what you said here but I wouldn't go with a running fastball as the break on his 4-seamer is only 20.2 degrees on average, which is definitely not enough to warrent a running fastball. The only pitchers, in my opinion, that should have running fastballs are those with a break angle of at least 45 degree or more (and to my knowledge there's only 3-5 pitchers in all of baseball with that drastic of a break).

Agree with you totally. But I was saying use a running fastball instead of 2-seamer.... meaning pitches would be: Running FB, Slider, Change, Curve, 4-seamer

Oh and I think your aforementioned ratings are spot on. Some of the people in here giving him high 90's in everything are turning him into a god instead of a great pitcher.

[El_MaYiMbE]

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Not true. At first I thought straight changes dropped straight down myself, for a long time actually. BUT, you gotta put it in perspective. If the ball were coming in straight from above the pitchers head, it would break straight down but it's not, it's actually comeing in from the arm side at an angle. When the changeup goes into its break, it actually stops coming in at an angle and actually goes STRAIGHT down from where it is. So while yes, technically it does break straight down, it actually has to have some side-spin to make it break straight down, otherwise it would just drop while still traveling in the same trajectory it was. This actually creates the illusion to a hitter that it is running in (just not as much as a circle change, which has the same amount of side-spin as a 2-seamer or sinker).

I'm not talking about real life, I am referring to the game. In real life nothing is straight up and down, no one is perfect...especially Jim Joyce

But if his change truly does fall to the arm side, the only change up that does that IN THE VIDEO GAME would be the circle change.

[InSainn]

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I'm not talking about real life, I am referring to the game. In real life nothing is straight up and down, no one is perfect...especially Jim Joyce

But if his change truly does fall to the arm side, the only change up that does that IN THE VIDEO GAME would be the circle change.

I'm talking about in the video game as well! Next time you throw a change up, watch it really closely. You'll see the ball coming towards home at an angle from the pitcher's hand toward homeplate. Now, just before it gets to home, not only does it drop but it also makes a slight break off of its angle toward the pitcher's arm side. It does break straight down, but, the ball isn't coming to home in a straight line, thus, in order to break straight down it also has to break to the arm side. Next time you play, watch one really close. I'm not sure if you can but if possible, do it in slow motion.

[InSainn]

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Agree with you totally. But I was saying use a running fastball instead of 2-seamer.... meaning pitches would be: Running FB, Slider, Change, Curve, 4-seamer

Oh and I think your aforementioned ratings are spot on. Some of the people in here giving him high 90's in everything are turning him into a god instead of a great pitcher.

I wouldn't give him a Running FB on his 2-seamer either as it only has 34.1 degrees of break on average, which is just about dead on what a 2-seamer should be. The reason it looks like it's moving so much is because of the 5.2 inches of break length. I realize that visually it looks like it's moving alot more horizontally than vertically but remember, our eyes are trained to see things with gravity. It's the same principal as a 4-seamer, it doesn't actually rise, it's just the backspin makes it defy gravity and so it creates an optical illusion of the ball rising. A ball that isn't "rising" has the normal effect of gravity on it so it's dropping significantly but we don't see it because it's what our brains are used to seeing.

[uf2005]

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I wouldn't give him a Running FB on his 2-seamer either as it only has 34.1 degrees of break on average, which is just about dead on what a 2-seamer should be. The reason it looks like it's moving so much is because of the 5.2 inches of break length. I realize that visually it looks like it's moving alot more horizontally than vertically but remember, our eyes are trained to see things with gravity. It's the same principal as a 4-seamer, it doesn't actually rise, it's just the backspin makes it defy gravity and so it creates an optical illusion of the ball rising. A ball that isn't "rising" has the normal effect of gravity on it so it's dropping significantly but we don't see it because it's what our brains are used to seeing.

I hear yah. I guess it's also because I can't get over the fact that he is averaging 97mph on a two-seamer. And if you look back I said the same thing about the "rising" action of the 4-seamer earlier in the thread.

[InSainn]

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I hear yah. I guess it's also because I can't get over the fact that he is averaging 97mph on a two-seamer. And if you look back I said the same thing about the "rising" action of the 4-seamer earlier in the thread.

You think that's crazy, Joel Zumaya's 102 mph fastball is actually a 2-seamer. At least that's the grip he uses. I would still use 4-seamer in the game though because it has so much velocity that the break is much closer to a 4-seamer in break length.

[scotty1011]

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They need to take out the lines of dialogue that talk about a rising fastball, I guess that is where everyone gets this from. Or maybe this is one of many reasons they have a code to turn off the announcers.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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Have you watched his first 11 games? He is a god. Calling him a great pitcher is an understatment
99 rating everything!

Somewhere Eric Gagne just giggled.

[Jason_19]

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Somewhere Eric Gagne just giggled.

What do you mean by that?

For the record, Eric Gagne was the most dominant relief pitcher in baseball for three consecutive full seasons. His stuff was almost as nasty as anyone's in the history of the game.

[InSainn]

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What do you mean by that?

For the record, Eric Gagne was the most dominant relief pitcher in baseball for three consecutive full seasons. His stuff was almost as nasty as anyone's in the history of the game.

But Carlos Marmol is on pace this year to break his strikeout percentage recrod. Marmol is K'ing nearly 50% of hitters he's faced this year. If Jiminez wasn't doing so good as a starter I'd have to say Marmol's a top candidate for Cy Young as a reliever.

[InSainn]

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They need to take out the lines of dialogue that talk about a rising fastball, I guess that is where everyone gets this from. Or maybe this is one of many reasons they have a code to turn off the announcers.

Not really, cause that's baseball talk. It's not just the Show's announcers who refer to "rising" fastballs. But there's a reason for the saying, because 4-seamers with alot of backspin appear as if they're rising, which, in reality, they're not, they're staying on an even plain which gives them the appearance of defying gravity and thus, we think of anything that defies gravity to be rising.

[JaSnake16]

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I for one am very interested in this thread. Ubaldo is a guy who just doesnt warrant a slight bump up from his 3 year average stats in OS V4. What hes doing is truly remarkable in this day and age. His H/9 should easily be in the high 80 - low 90 rating and he has shown tremendous improvement in control compared to earlier in his career.