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  • Stroehms
    MVP
    • Jan 2008
    • 2640

    #46
    Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

    In regards to who we make for our respective teams, I was just going to make a list of say the Top 75-100 Cardinals and then base who I make by positional needs for the teams.


    EX: Say the Cardinals have 6 decently rated Shortstops, I'm not going to make all 6 due to AAA and AA don't exactly need 3 shortstops clogging up their bench.

    Does that make sense?

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    • Knight165
      *ll St*r
      • Feb 2003
      • 24964

      #47
      Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

      Originally posted by Karle
      Dear Knight,

      I just sent the documents. One is a handwritten worksheet (which is not so easy to read) and the other a typed summary.

      Please let me know if you do not receive it.

      Thanks,

      Karle
      Got it.
      Thanks!
      You weren't kidding on the handwritten document.
      Do you have the decoding ring that goes with it!?

      M.K.
      Knight165
      All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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      • Knight165
        *ll St*r
        • Feb 2003
        • 24964

        #48
        Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

        Originally posted by Stroehms
        In regards to who we make for our respective teams, I was just going to make a list of say the Top 75-100 Cardinals and then base who I make by positional needs for the teams.


        EX: Say the Cardinals have 6 decently rated Shortstops, I'm not going to make all 6 due to AAA and AA don't exactly need 3 shortstops clogging up their bench.

        Does that make sense?
        Perfect sense...because that's what I always do. You really do need to balance out how many players at each position. In some instances...the game forces you to!

        Here is a couple of musts IMO.

        7 catchers
        5 1B
        5 3B(you can count dual 1B/3B if you like....and that's one thing I would like to see on secondary positions....keep it to the "likely" positions. If the guy has played LF 4 times in 3 years of minor league play so far...don't give him OF as a secondary )
        5 of each of the OF positions
        For pitchers....I like to see at least 6 SP at each level(if your team doesn't go with 6(1 LRP perhaps)...at the MLB level....you can add an extra in the minors.
        Single A...is a great "dumping ground" for those extra players stockpiled at any position.
        I wouldn't worry about level too much(until we can get Kolbe to fill out Single A and get us a 15-20 player Rookie(Low A) level(which would be like the current Single A except it would generate stats)...as much as getting in the prospects you like.

        M.K.
        Knight165
        All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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        • Stroehms
          MVP
          • Jan 2008
          • 2640

          #49
          Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

          Originally posted by Knight165
          Perfect sense...because that's what I always do. You really do need to balance out how many players at each position. In some instances...the game forces you to!

          Here is a couple of musts IMO.

          7 catchers
          5 1B
          5 3B(you can count dual 1B/3B if you like....and that's one thing I would like to see on secondary positions....keep it to the "likely" positions. If the guy has played LF 4 times in 3 years of minor league play so far...don't give him OF as a secondary )
          5 of each of the OF positions
          For pitchers....I like to see at least 6 SP at each level(if your team doesn't go with 6(1 LRP perhaps)...at the MLB level....you can add an extra in the minors.
          Single A...is a great "dumping ground" for those extra players stockpiled at any position.
          I wouldn't worry about level too much(until we can get Kolbe to fill out Single A and get us a 15-20 player Rookie(Low A) level(which would be like the current Single A except it would generate stats)...as much as getting in the prospects you like.

          M.K.
          Knight165
          Thanks. I was wondering about that. I'll try to stick to the opening day rosters for the minor league clubs and mix in the High and Low A guys throughout.

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          • juicer420
            Pro
            • Mar 2009
            • 620

            #50
            Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

            Good info on the breakdown for positions.

            I'm doing the exact same thing. Glad to see we're all on the same page here. I have about 80 guys listed for the Giants and I can tell it's gonna be tough deciding on who to create and who to leave off.

            By the way, Knight, do you want us to send you spreadsheets or anything to double check before the release? I'm working on one right now and for the most part I have ht, wt, age, etc listed. I pretty much only have to work on including equipment and batting stances/pitching motion.

            Also, do you know if the generic batting stance #'s are going to correspond exactly between MLB 10 and 11? In other words, is generic batting stance X going to be the same this year as it was last year? It would make things go quickly upon release if I already have that info in my spreadsheet.

            One last question, Is there anyway Kolbe can slide us some info on the players who will be in the game upon release? I know, for the most part, we can assume any player with MLB service time and the 40 man rosters will be included. Is that a safe assumption?

            Thanks!
            Last edited by juicer420; 02-05-2011, 08:33 PM. Reason: typo

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            • Dog
              aka jnes12/JNes__
              • Aug 2008
              • 11846

              #51
              Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

              I could possibly help out with the Phillies if needed.
              Eagles | Phillies | Sixers | Flyers
              PSN: JNes__

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              • Knight165
                *ll St*r
                • Feb 2003
                • 24964

                #52
                Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                Originally posted by juicer420
                Good info on the breakdown for positions.

                I'm doing the exact same thing. Glad to see we're all on the same page here. I have about 80 guys listed for the Giants and I can tell it's gonna be tough deciding on who to create and who to leave off.

                By the way, Knight, do you want us to send you spreadsheets or anything to double check before the release? I'm working on one right now and for the most part I have ht, wt, age, etc listed. I pretty much only have to work on including equipment and batting stances/pitching motion.

                Also, do you know if the generic batting stance #'s are going to correspond exactly between MLB 10 and 11? In other words, is generic batting stance X going to be the same this year as it was last year? It would make things go quickly upon release if I already have that info in my spreadsheet.

                One last question, Is there anyway Kolbe can slide us some info on the players who will be in the game upon release? I know, for the most part, we can assume any player with MLB service time and the 40 man rosters will be included. Is that a safe assumption?

                Thanks!
                Yep...those last few cuts are tough!
                Rag has a pretty good breakdown through his club of A/B/C/D....perhaps a few more B's than I would...but we do want to have fun too!...but as long as they are in line with the chart(the ratings one I'm working on)...should be good.
                I'm running some more testing with progression(even though I have a feeling Kolbe and Jeff changed it up a bit now..)..

                Not sure about the stances....the gens should be the same though.

                I don't think Kolbe has the time, quite honestly...it's gonna be us on release day.

                I don't need the spreadsheet...just a PM or post with the players and your thoughts on potential.....that's good enough to start.

                jns12....Ridin is working the Phils...I think he'd take the help though.

                M.K.
                Knight165
                All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                • Dog
                  aka jnes12/JNes__
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 11846

                  #53
                  Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                  Originally posted by Knight165
                  jns12....Ridin is working the Phils...I think he'd take the help though.

                  M.K.
                  Knight165

                  That is why I said if needed, if he needs the help I would gladly help him
                  Eagles | Phillies | Sixers | Flyers
                  PSN: JNes__

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                  • Knight165
                    *ll St*r
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 24964

                    #54
                    Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                    Originally posted by jnes12eaglesfan
                    That is why I said if needed, if he needs the help I would gladly help him
                    Thanks.
                    You could always help me with the Mets...

                    C....C....C.....C...D....C......D....

                    M.K.
                    Knight165
                    All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                    • Dog
                      aka jnes12/JNes__
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 11846

                      #55
                      Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                      Originally posted by Knight165
                      Thanks.
                      You could always help me with the Mets...

                      C....C....C.....C...D....C......D....

                      M.K.
                      Knight165

                      Eagles | Phillies | Sixers | Flyers
                      PSN: JNes__

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                      • PVarck31
                        Moderator
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16869

                        #56
                        Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                        If anyone wants to help me with the Indians just let me know.

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                        • BatsareBugs
                          LVP
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 12553

                          #57
                          Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                          Yeah. I feel like there's too many B's on mine currently. I've been moving guys around. I may drop out some of the lower class high-potential prospects simply because I can't bear to give player like Sampson or Barbato anything lower than a B-. I'll probably sub-in some players for depth purposes instead to keep things more level for the roster set.

                          Currently I'm at 2 A (2 P), 12 B (5 P, 7 PP), 22 C (10 P, 12 PP), 19 D (8 P, 11 PP).

                          I wish I could post the Excel spreadsheet I have right now.
                          Last edited by BatsareBugs; 02-05-2011, 11:51 PM.

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                          • Karle
                            Pro
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 820

                            #58
                            Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                            Dear Knight,
                            Below is my proposed breakdown of the Detroit minor league players by potential levels. It pretty well follows the scheme of John Sickels. I have not included Danry Vasquez as he is under 18 and will be playing in 2011 in Latin America. I have also not included any player who has played in the MLB and thus will likely be included as an SCEA player (except Chris Oxspring who played in the MLB in 2005 and thus may be overlooked.)
                            A (1)
                            Jacob Turner - P
                            B (6)
                            Nick Castellanos
                            Casey Crosby - P
                            Daniel Fields
                            Chance Ruffin - P
                            Drew Smyly - P
                            Brayan Villarreal - P
                            C (28)
                            Javier Azcona
                            Duane Below - P
                            Robert Brantly
                            Alex Burgos - P
                            Josue Carreno - P
                            Andy Dirks
                            Brandon Douglas
                            Kevin Eichhorn - P
                            Charlie Furbush - P
                            Avisail Garcia
                            Wade Gaynor
                            Scott Green - P
                            Matt Hoffman - P
                            Bryan Holaday
                            Jamie Johnson
                            Corey Jones
                            Dixon Machado
                            Francisco Martinez
                            John Murrian
                            Gustavo Nunez

                            Lester Oliveros - P
                            Jose Ortega - P
                            Tony Plagman
                            Bruce Rondon - P
                            Cody Satterwhite - P
                            Zach Simons - P
                            Ryan Strieby
                            Adam Wilk - P
                            D (29)
                            Al Alburquerque - P
                            Michael Bertram
                            Rawley Bishop
                            Kyle Bloom - P
                            Brooks Brown - P
                            Alden Carrithers
                            Audy Ciriaco
                            Argenis Diaz
                            Scot Drucker - P
                            L.J. Gagnier - P
                            Ramon Garcia - P
                            Mariano Gomez - P
                            Ben Guez
                            Cory Hamilton - P
                            Justin Henry
                            Cale Iorg
                            Kody Kaiser
                            Jordan Lennerton
                            Maxwell Leon
                            Luis Marte - P
                            Chris Oxspring - P
                            Luke Putkonen - P
                            Josh Rainwater - P
                            Shawn Roof
                            Deik Scram
                            Robert Waite - P
                            Thad Weber - P
                            Christopher White
                            Brendan Wise - P
                            F(3)
                            Andy Bouchie
                            Jeff Kunkel
                            Cesar Nicolas

                            In the end I leave it up to you to make sure the Detroit roster with potentials is in line with those of the other 29 teams.


                            For those putting together lists of minor league players, the starting point I use is to begin by listing the players who:

                            1. Are on the 40 man roster
                            2. Are non-roster Spring Training invitees
                            3. Are listed on John Sickels top 20 prospects including "other players of note" as well as other top prospects lists.
                            4. Who played in the Arizona Fall League last Winter (I ignore the other winter leagues, but since each team has only a limited number of slots for the Arizona Fall League I consider it significant as to which players the team chooses to send.)
                            5. Players who played on the AAA and AA teams in 2010 who are still in the system.

                            I also break the roster of 90 players in half, 45 position players and 45 pitchers. From these totals subtract players who played in the Majors in 2010 as they should be created by SCEA. I am planning to include a few extra in both groups to compensate for players who will be released after Spring Training.

                            Karle
                            Last edited by Karle; 02-06-2011, 08:52 AM.

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                            • Karle
                              Pro
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 820

                              #59
                              Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                              Rag,

                              In the 2011 database at www.scoutingbook.com, which is now up, San Diego makes out pretty well with three in the top 50:

                              20. Casey Kelly
                              42. Jeff Decker
                              49. Anthony Rizzo

                              This confirms that Sickels was unfairly harsh as you state. My Tigers only rank one in the top 50, namely Jacob Turner at 39. I would think that any player ranked in the top 50 would justify an "A".

                              Karle
                              Last edited by Karle; 02-06-2011, 06:37 AM.

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                              • BatsareBugs
                                LVP
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 12553

                                #60
                                Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

                                Being in the top 50 is great, I think most players in the top 100/50 list will get A's or B's. Some may get C's, but there are also players with good potential who may not be listed (i.e. drafted players, international players, etc.)

                                And just to clarify, I think a C potential player projects as a player good enough to make it to the majors, but may not cut it as a starter, either the player is a role player/bench/platoon or a reliever/5th starter. A B player ranges for pitchers a No. 3 or 4 starter or a solid reliever or a solid starting position player. That leaves an A ranging from a No. 1 or 2 starter to a very good starting position player to perennial all-star.

                                Just looking at that, I may again re-arrange my rankings.

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