Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

[Scott]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

I'd be happy to help out with Texas. Also the Round Rock Express (AAA affiliate) is about 10 minutes away from me, so I'll be heading there a bunch this season.

Here is Sickels list for Texas...
1) Jurickson Profar, SS, Grade B+: Borderline A-, grade is undecided basically. Outstanding defense, very young for his level, not sure how the hitting will develop but flashes a lot of promise and should be an average hitter at worst.

2) Martin Perez, LHP, Grade B+: I'm firm on this grade, one notch lower than last year. I know he was young for the Texas League, but still. . .it was not a good season, and I'm concerned that his stuff wasn't as consistent this year. Keep in mind a B+ still makes him a really good prospect in my view.

3) Robbie Erlin, LHP, Grade B+: Terrific feel for pitching, stats are great, scouts like him even though he's a smaller pitcher.

4) Tanner Scheppers, RHP, Grade B: Very tough to rank. Was great in relief early, stumbled in the rotation, and was horrible back in the bullpen late. This grade could go down a notch further depending on what further research reveals.

5) Mike Olt, 3B, Grade B: Fine glove at third base, should post a strong OBP, home run power still a bit of a question. Expect him to be a solid regular.

6) Engel Beltre, OF, Grade B-: Might go with a Grade B here, undecided grade. If I do that, he could move ahead of Olt and/or Scheppers. I love the tools and youth, but there is just something here that makes me wonder. . .I want to see him in Arizona before I make a final decision. Spots 4-6 are still in flux, so no whining about it please.

7) Robbie Ross, LHP, Grade B-: Love the power sinker.

8) Neil Ramirez, RHP, Grade B-: Strong in the second half, potential breakout in 2011.

9) Jake Skole, OF, Grade B-: Stats weren't great, but he was awfully young for the Northwest League.

10) Miguel De Los Santos, LHP, Grade B-: I'm a sucker for the power lefties.

11) Kellen Deglan, OF, Grade B-: Glove ahead of the bat at this point.

12) Wilmer Font, RHP, Grade B-: Another grade that could change depending on winter health reports. Excellent power arm but health issues abound.

13) Michael Kirkman, LHP, Grade C+: Yet another grade that could change, in his case up to B-. Good arm from the left side, but I'm not sold on his command yet.

14) Luke Jackson, RHP, Grade C+: I love this arm from the 2010 draft; he could end up being a much higher grade once he gets some innings in.

15) Cody Buckel, RHP, Grade C+: Like Jackson, another high school arm from '10 draft that I like a lot but need to see more data from .

16) Justin Grimm, RHP, Grade C+: Type of pitcher who could be more effective against wood in pro ball than metal in college.

17) Luis Sardinas, SS, Grade C+: Not as good as Profar, but not bad at all. Lots of growth potential on both sides of the game.

18) Roman Mendez, RHP, Grade C+: Lively arm acquired from Red Sox. May or may not develop, but ceiling is high.

19) Joe Wieland, RHP, Grade C+: Another guy who could break out; was excellent in August, throws strikes.

20) Miguel Velazquez, OF, Grade C+: Might drop to Grade C. Good tools, will be patient one more year.

[Knight165]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

I think most of the top 50 could be A's....but here is the "separator". Our A+ so to say.
I find that CREATED A's tend to gain points in progression more quickly than the generated ones already in the game.
So...once we come up with OUR top 50(which we will hash out here and list)....If you're guy is a top 10 guy...create him....if your A is out of the top 10...use a generated A from the default roster and edit him from there. One thing with that....find a player the same age as the player you want to create.


Karle...that list looks pretty right on. Turner...A for sure.
I might even make the argument for either Castellanos or Crosby...but even at B they will be front line players in the league in coming years of someones franchise.

Scott....I'm putting you down for Texas....I think you're right on. Profar...I might say A even.....with low offensive numbers to start him out....you're right there.

I'm glad to see that most of you are already in tune with the fact that a B will indeed progress at a very good level and not only turn out to be a solid MLB player with progression...but a good chance to be a frontline player. I've seen B progression hit +12 or even +14 sometimes.(It's mostly +7/8) per year.

Looks good guys.
Scott...I'm putting you in for Texas if you like.
Thanks.

M.K.
Knight165

[Karle]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Dear Knight,

Thanks for the comments.

Nick Castellanos is a B as he is coming right out of college. Nevertheless, he is expected to move up quickly. As for Casey Crosby, there are also high hopes for him as well, but he is coming off recovering from surgery and for this reason is only a B.

Ryan Strieby had a lot of problems with his wrist last year and for that reason is only a C. If he can put that behind him he may move up to a B in potential.

Karle

[ltw0303cavs]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Knight , I will do Tampa if thats cool ? Their system is so loaded, it would be a lot of fun and I have a lot of resource material for them.

[Knight165]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Knight , I will do Tampa if thats cool ? Their system is so loaded, it would be a lot of fun and I have a lot of resource material for them.

Tampa it is.


Karle;
Yes....I see your thinking....and I like your tempered attitude!
It's another case where I wish there were +/- for the attributes.

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Just want to hear some opinions....
Give me your Top 20 prospects....pitcher or position player....guys you would consider A+ or definite A.
I just want to toss around some thoughts. It doesn't have to be in order...just the 20 guys you would give the CAP A to if you had your druthers.
We'll toss it around a bit.

M.K.
Knight165

[Scott]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Thanks Knight. I would even argue that Perez is an A as well, but he is only 19 and in AA.

[RidinDwnKingsley]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Knight,

You can put me down for the Oakland A's as well if n o one else has claimed them...

[ChaseB]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Just want to hear some opinions....
Give me your Top 20 prospects....pitcher or position player....guys you would consider A+ or definite A.
I just want to toss around some thoughts. It doesn't have to be in order...just the 20 guys you would give the CAP A to if you had your druthers.
We'll toss it around a bit.

M.K.
Knight165

20 guys I would give A grades to:

1. Hellickson
2. Chapman
3. Jennings
4. Trout
5. Teheran
6. Harper
7. Moustakas
8. Hosmer
9. Miller
10. Brown
11. Ackley
12. Moore
13. Taillon
14. Pineda
15. Turner
16. Montero
17. Freeman
18. Myers
19. Chisenhall
20. Britton

[RidinDwnKingsley]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

20 guys I would give A grades to:

1. Hellickson
2. Chapman
3. Jennings
4. Trout
5. Teheran
6. Harper
7. Moustakas
8. Hosmer
9. Miller
10. Brown
11. Ackley
12. Moore
13. Taillon
14. Pineda
15. Turner
16. Montero
17. Freeman
18. Myers
19. Chisenhall
20. Britton

That list is spot on with mine!

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

My A-List (for players probably not in the game, this discounts guys like Dominic Brown and Jeremy Hellickson). This is just the top 20. Others are listed beneath as well.

A+
Jacob Turner
Mike Trout
Mike Moustakas
Tyler Matzek
Manny Machado

A
Dustin Ackley
Eric Hosmer
Shelby Miller
Jameson Taillon
Jordan Lyles
John Lamb
Casey Kelly
Jarrod Parker
Julio Teheran
Bryce Harper
Grant Green
Martin Perez
Desmond Jennings
Jurickson Profar
Miguel Sano

Others:
A:
Lonnie Chisenhall
Jesus Montero
Kyle Drabek

A-: (Some top prospects, but other high-potential low level prospects not ranked high on prospect lists).
Dee Gordon
Freddie Freeman
Matt Moore
Matt Lollis
Tyler Skaggs
Zach Lee
Christian Colon

I'm sure there are more, but currently these players get my vote.

[PVarck31]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Knight. I'm not sure if you meant grades for players who have no MLB service time or not. I will go with that for now and adjust if needed.

Lonnie Chisenhall: A, 3B, Could end up as the Indians everyday 3B if he has a great spring. All around hitter. Avg. and Power. Very strong at 3B.

Jason Kipnis: B, 2B, He is flying through the system. Hit for average and power. Probably the best 2B in the organization. Even though his fielding needs work.

Alex White A-, RHP, In 2 seasons he has an ERA of 2.45. Doesn't walk a lot of guys and doesn't give up the long ball, and eats innings.

Drew Pomeranz: B+, LHP, Power lefty.

Jason Knapp: B, RHP, Close to moving into the A- range, but consistency and injuries have slowed his progress a bit.

Nick Weglarz: B, OF, Power hitter, great discipline at the plate.

Joe Gardner: B, RHP, Power pitcher, power sinker, innings eater.

Nick Hagadone: B-, LHP, Might be front end starter, some command issues.

LeVon Washington: B-, OF, Fast, potential 4th OF.

Bryce Stowell: B-, RHP, Will most likely be a back end reliever.

Tyler Holt: C+, OF,

Vinnie Pestano: C ,RHP, Another potential back of the bullpen guy.

Rob Bryson: C, RHP, Live fastball.

Zah Putnam: C, RHP, Another bullpen arm.

Jordan Henry: C, OF, Super fast, Gets on base.

Corey Kluber: C+, RHP, Fifth starter, or long reliever.

Zach McAllister: C, RHP, kind of a wild card, could go up or down. Live arm.

Cord Phelps: C+, 2B, In Kipnis' shadow right now.

Austin Adams: C, Very live arm. On pace for the show.

Jared Goedert: C-, Thought he would be more powerful, but looks like Chisenhall has passed him.

The Indians have a TON of talented pitchers. Like someone I know says, "when you finish drafting pitchers, draft more pitchers."

I hope this is what you were looking for Knight. Let me know if I can change anything or if you need anything else.

EDIT: All these guys have no MLB service time. I will add who I think are "A" prospects out of the players who do have service time.

[Knight165]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

31;

That's great.
I forget what I had Chisenhall at last year(there weren't many A position players)...but I agree...he's going to be at 3B for them for some time IMO.


Chase...Ridin..Yep...that list is pretty much what I have.
Rag makes the point that Hellickson and Brown will already be in from SCEA(hopefully A's!.....if not I'll make them...and just put them in the Vault for those that want to replace them)...
I like his choice of Sano.

I would like to work out the list of the top 50....rate them for potential and post it here in a week or so. I just am a little busy at work right now otherwise would have it done already.

Looking good and I'm excited about getting this started!
Hopefully more guys step up for some teams and we'll be in really good shape.

Thanks!


M.K.
Knight165

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

I think you gave Chisenhall an A last year.

In any case, I throw out my list of top 100, along with honorable mentions if needed.

Top 50
1. Mike Trout - A+
2. Jeremy Hellickson - Should be in the game.
3. Domonic Brown - Should be in the game.
4. Mike Moustakas - A+
5. Aroldis Chapman - Should be in the game.
6. Bryce Harper - A
7. Desmond Jennings - Should be in the game.
8. Eric Hosmer - A
9. Dustin Ackley - A
10. Matt Moore - A-
11. Julio Teheran - A
12. Jesus Montero - A
13. Lonnie Chisenhall - A
14. Jacob Turner - A+
15. Grant Green - A
16. Shelby Miller - A
17. Freddie Freeman - Should be in the game.
18. Kyle Drabek - Should be in the game.
19. Martin Perez - A
20. Chris Sale - Should be in the game.
21. Tyler Matzek - A+
22. Jordan Lyles - A
23. Manny Machado - A+
24. Casey Kelly - A
25. Jamison Taillon - A
26. Jenrry Mejia - Should be in the game.
27. Miguel Sano - A
28. Mike Montgomery - A-
29. Wil Myers - B+
30. Dee Gordon - A-
31. Brandon Belt - A-
32. Alex White - B+
33. Chris Archer - A-
34. Matt Dominguez - B+
35. Jarrod Parker - A
36. Chris Carter - B+
37. John Lamb - A-
38. Zach Wheeler - A-
39. Josh Vitters - B
40. Anthony Rizzo - B+
41. Kyle Gibson - B+
42. Brett Jackson - B+
43. Tony Sanchez - B
44. Randall Delgado - A-
45. Jurickson Profar - A-
46. Wilin Rosario - B+
47. Chad James - A
48. Zach Britton - A-
49. Simon Castro - B+
50. Brody Colvin - A-

Outside Worth Noting:
SP Trevor May PHI - A-
SP Tyler Skaggs AZD - A-
SP Zach Lee LAD - A-
SP Matt Lollis SDG - A-
SP Anthony Ranaudo BOS - A-
SP Adys Portillo SDG - B+
SP Jarred Cosart PHI - B+
SP Danny Duffy KCR - B+
SP Jason Knapp CLE - B+
SP Casey Crosby DET - B+
SP Michael Ynoa OAK - B+
C Derek Norris WAS - B
1B Jonathan Singleton PHI - B+
1B Bobby Borchering AZD - B+
2B Brett Lawrie TOR - B+
2B Billy Hamilton CIN - B
3B Matt Davidson AZD - B+
3B Nolan Arenado COL - B
SS Matt Lipka ATL - B+
SS Wilmer Flores NYM - B
LF Christian Yelich FLA - B
CF Yorman Rodriguez CIN - A-
CF Delino DeShields HOU - B
RF Cesar Puello NYM - B

I might be missing some people.
37 User and Generic Player A ratings. (including the 5 on the "others" list.)

[gator3guy]

Re: Operation Sports Full Minors 2011 - Recruiting

Good list, I would put Wil Myers as an A- though. And despite all the hype I think Harper's still an A+ (although it doesnt matter in the game). Just my opinion.