OS All-Time Classic Roster (The Show '12)

[Sunjah]

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Ps- I just looked it up, Simmons also hit .392, .381 and .387 in four other seasons. 4 other FULL seasons.

How can you hit:
.390
.392
.387
.381
and be considered the lesser when compared to Jose Canseco, who was a career .266 hitter?

[pjsnell10]

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If you're basing it just on average, sure Simmons is the better hitter average wise. I'm at work right now, but I'm guessing that Simmons had 99 and 95 in the hitting/contact areas, where Canseco is probably in the 60's. For every player, I used their (vs. L, vs. R) career stats based off of 650 plate appearances. If you check out the two players mentioned, Simmons averaged 22 HR's per year, whereas Canseco averaged 40 per year. Canseco also had much more speed (when he was younger, while aided with roids), than Simmons did, and had more than twice as many stolen bases in his career. I believe that the game takes those two areas highly into account. I was a little bit surprised that Canseco was ranked so high as well. Every guy was rated the same way though.

As for the players picked, these were originally going to be 40 man rosters, but a few people lost steam in the effort. I compiled what we had done and went from there. I'll be honest that I'm more of a 50's-to-current fan, so that why there a few more recent players as opposed to the pre-war players. I believe that a few other guys did some rosters with earlier some earlier players.

Hope that helps.

Ps- I just looked it up, Simmons also hit .392, .381 and .387 in four other seasons. 4 other FULL seasons.

How can you hit:
.390
.392
.387
.381
and be considered the lesser when compared to Jose Canseco, who was a career .266 hitter?

[SupremeYankee]

Re: OS All-Time Classic Roster (The Show '12)

Are these available anywhere offline ?

[codyj123_321]

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THANK YOU! to anyone who had a part in these. These are so awesome on a million levels. I have never had so much fun and also hard decisions when fantasy drafting.

[Sunjah]

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Hope that helps.

Well, it wasn't so much help needed, as just a commentary on the roster. The big ones, avg, obp, and slg are all better career wise for Al Simmons, but his ratings are clearly lower in the game.
AVG .334 to .266 (-68)
OBP .380 to .353 (-27)
SLG .545 to .515 (-30)
OPS .925 to .868 (-57)

It is a very common thing, people rate current players higher, and the further back in time you go, the more it seems a player is "cut" from what he should be. Caseco's 40 to Simmon's 22 HR's doesn't mean he slugged better, as those are career slugging numbers above.

I think all the work that was done is great, but it seems more like a starting point, as I found pretty much each roster did this. If it was an old-time player, they were somehow lesser, even if their career numbers beat the other ones such as above.

Plus, this is also the guy who was the backbone of the team the deposed "Murderer's Row" for 3 straight years from 1929-1931. BEAT Murder's Row, 3 years running. Canseco's A's were good, but they did not do anything near that.

I think it was Babe Ruth, on the Yanks, was rated as the 5th highest player...on THAT team. That guy stands above everyone else who ever played the game. Tangible or non-tangible, that guy should be the highest overall rating of anyone on any historical roster (c'mon, he was even a great pitcher, and only stopped to hit more).

Great work, but there is a large skew in proportion to when a guy played. (plus, this guy was a backbone, and hitting .390, .381, etc. for full seasons...Canseco could never reach that level, and was a horrid fielder)

Anyway, just more of a point out than anything.

I wish I had the energy to do a full roster set...last year's was great, and I thought it was better when it had a particular team for that year (such as '27 NYY or 75 Cin) as opposed to all superstars. I can see going this way, but I like the "team" dynamic as opposed to DiMaggio, Mantle and Ruth all in the outfield at the same time (though that is pretty incredible talent wise).

[Sunjah]

Re: OS All-Time Classic Roster (The Show '12)

I tell you what I'd like to see...the Rosters for the old "Earl Weaver Baseball" done.

It would have to be done in an on-line league, as there were only 4 teams in each league...but what teams...I remade them for High Heat Baseball and actually added 2 more teams for each league...I loved that roster.

Cobb-Speaker-Ruth
Yaz-Mantle-F. Robinson
Stargell-Mays-Aaron
Kiner-Snider-Musial
Medwick-Hafey-Klien

Talk about some killer starting OF's. Especially that Cobb-Speaker-Ruth one, though Stargell-Mays-Aaron is right there, too!!!

I wish we could customize leagues in this game...instead of being stuck with ONLY 30 teams, year-after-year-after-year. If High Heat could do it 12 years ago, I don't get why this game cannot. I could care less about 3 different types of shoes (each with what, 7 editable parts) or 5 pant-legs (all of mine are High or Stirrup, anyway). I want customizable leagues, and the ability to transfer saves from season to season of the actual game, "The Show XX" to "The Show nextXX".

Best baseball game ever, but clearly they focus way to much energy towards looks in my opinion. Give them all stirrups and let me have my Earl Weaver league of 12 teams back...oh, just the thought!

[Sunjah]

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THANK YOU! to anyone who had a part in these. These are so awesome on a million levels. I have never had so much fun and also hard decisions when fantasy drafting.

I don't know if I could fantasy draft this roster. Although I could clearly see the fun, having Willie Mays end up on the Astros is more than I think I could handle. That would be just painful.

Sandy Koufax on the Mariners...AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

[hoser]

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I recently did a fantasy draft with my 40MAN All Time Greats roster and it actually turned out to be a helluva lot of fun. At first I was concerned about having Willie Mays on the Rockies but it was a lot more fun than I thought it would be.

Here's who I ended up drafting and putting on my 25 man roster:

1B - Hank Greenberg
2B - Davey Lopes
3B - Brooks Robinson
SS - Ernie Banks
RF - Darryl Strawberry
CF - Willie Mays
LF - Cleon Jones
C - Mickey Cochrane
SP - Bob Gibson
SP - Sandy Koufax
SP - Cy Young
SP - Randy Johnson
SP - Johnny Podres
SP - Johnny Antonelli
SP - Dick Bosman
RP - Satchel Paige
RP - John Hiller
RP - Jeff Reardon
RP - Bob Stanley
CL - Dennis Eckersley
C/1B - Gene Tenace
SS/OF - Shawn Dunston
3B - Bonny Bonilla
OF - Fred Lynn
OF - Lou Brock

I won the NL West by 10+ games and am in the first round of the playoffs.

It's pretty interesting to combine the really old time players like Cy Young with the golden era players like Bob Gibson and Sandy Koufax along with the relatively newer players like Dennis Eckersley and Randy Johnson on the same pitching staff.

Also, having a lineup of Banks, Lopes, Mays, Strawberry, Greenberg, Conchrane, Jones and Robinson is fun as hell to play with. It ain't bad having Lynn, Bonilla, Dunston, Brock and Tenace come off the bench in the late innings to get a clutch pinch hit too.

The historic rosters provide an almost endless set of scenarios to have fun with and hours upon hours of entertainment. I'm already laying out the historic players and their attributes for MLB The Show 13's 40 MAN All Time Roster set.

[raneman85]

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Great idea what did you do 30 team control or single team control. Franchise or Season. Can't remember if you can edit in season. Think franchise would be way to go.

[hoser]

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Great idea what did you do 30 team control or single team control. Franchise or Season. Can't remember if you can edit in season. Think franchise would be way to go.

If you're referring to me then what I did was to create a new franchise and I selected my saved 40MAN All Time Greats roster. You can use any roster you'd like to start a new franchise but I happen to like the one I did the best.

I selected the fantasy draft option and selected to control the Colorado Rockies. I've controlled multiple teams before in franchise mode including all 30 teams, just the Rockies and Twins, and in this case just the Rockies. I then went through the fantasy draft and all the players in my 40MAN All Time Greats roster were available in the fantasy draft.

Once I got my team selected I skipped over the pre-season and right to the regular season and I had my 25 man roster with the all time greats I drafted ready to go.

I haven't tried doing this using the Season option but it works great when selecting Franchise option. I suspect it will work just fine using the Season option too though.

[Sunjah]

Re: OS All-Time Classic Roster (The Show '12)

I recently did a fantasy draft with my 40MAN All Time Greats roster and it actually turned out to be a helluva lot of fun. At first I was concerned about having Willie Mays on the Rockies but it was a lot more fun than I thought it would be.

Here's who I ended up drafting and putting on my 25 man roster:

1B - Hank Greenberg
2B - Davey Lopes
3B - Brooks Robinson
SS - Ernie Banks
RF - Darryl Strawberry
CF - Willie Mays
LF - Cleon Jones
C - Mickey Cochrane
SP - Bob Gibson
SP - Sandy Koufax
SP - Cy Young
SP - Randy Johnson
SP - Johnny Podres
SP - Johnny Antonelli
SP - Dick Bosman
RP - Satchel Paige
RP - John Hiller
RP - Jeff Reardon
RP - Bob Stanley
CL - Dennis Eckersley
C/1B - Gene Tenace
SS/OF - Shawn Dunston
3B - Bonny Bonilla
OF - Fred Lynn
OF - Lou Brock

I won the NL West by 10+ games and am in the first round of the playoffs.

It's pretty interesting to combine the really old time players like Cy Young with the golden era players like Bob Gibson and Sandy Koufax along with the relatively newer players like Dennis Eckersley and Randy Johnson on the same pitching staff.

Also, having a lineup of Banks, Lopes, Mays, Strawberry, Greenberg, Conchrane, Jones and Robinson is fun as hell to play with. It ain't bad having Lynn, Bonilla, Dunston, Brock and Tenace come off the bench in the late innings to get a clutch pinch hit too.

The historic rosters provide an almost endless set of scenarios to have fun with and hours upon hours of entertainment. I'm already laying out the historic players and their attributes for MLB The Show 13's 40 MAN All Time Roster set.

Cleon Jones starting over Lou Brock? That one I have to disagree with. That does look like a great roster.

How did you possibly get Young, Koufax and Gibson on the same staff. Save for Walter Johnson (and Greg Maddux in his prime), those might be the best 3 pitchers in history. My eyebrows were raised when I saw that.

[Sunjah]

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I haven't tried doing this using the Season option but it works great when selecting Franchise option. I suspect it will work just fine using the Season option too though.

Yup, it works perfectly. Only difference is that you have no minor league games, and you have 15 players at the AAA level. A lot of options such as travel, stadium updates, etc. are also gone. Basically, you are "GM and Manager" instead of "Owner, CEO, Team President, GM and manager."

[hoser]

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Cleon Jones starting over Lou Brock? That one I have to disagree with. That does look like a great roster.

How did you possibly get Young, Koufax and Gibson on the same staff. Save for Walter Johnson (and Greg Maddux in his prime), those might be the best 3 pitchers in history. My eyebrows were raised when I saw that.

I platoon Brock and Jones and it's working great. Feel free to draft your own team and play whomever you'd like.

Walter Johnson, Roger Clemens, Pete Alexander, Kid Nichols, Lefty Grove, Tom Seaver, Christy Mathewson, Gaylord Perry, Warren Spahn, Tim Keefe, Pedro Martinez, Eddie Plank, John Clarkson, Steve Carlton, Pud Galviin, Fergie Jenkins, Nolan Ryan, Robin Roberts, Bob Feller, and dozens, if not hundreds, of other pitchers were pretty good too.

Young is at or near the top of the list of all time pitchers but it can easily be argued that most of the others I mentioned are just as good as Koufax and Gibson. It all depends on how you want to measure them.

[Sunjah]

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...Young is at or near the top of the list of all time pitchers but it can easily be argued that most of the others I mentioned are just as good as Koufax and Gibson. It all depends on how you want to measure them.

Big Train, yeah, I agree with, but Koufax and Gibson are clearly better than Gaylord Perry, Warren Spahn, Tim Keefe, Pedro Martinez, Eddie Plank, John Clarkson, Steve Carlton, Pud Galviin, Fergie Jenkins, Nolan Ryan, Robin Roberts and Bob Feller. I am not saying any of those guys are slouches (especially Spahn, Carlton and Ryan), but of that entire list I think Gibson, Koufax, Young and Johnson are the best ever. It just seemed odd to see 3 of the 4 in your rotation.

Anyway, you'd better win a rotation like that. As far as Cleon vs. Lou, 118 SB's says it all to me.

[raneman85]

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Stumbled upon another good roster under the author bumblebee. The roster has no name. I've been mixing and tweaking them with my own creations along with this the 68 & 72 some of the 96 season. I have an All-Time Roster, a best teams roster etc. I have a number of variations. I played a lot of exhibition games don't want to spend time all my time roster editing. The computer ranks players on a fantasy draft taking into consideration attributions, age, salary. Edit and tweak it to your preference. Good segue here. http://espn.go.com/mlb/feature/video...st-mlb-players

To make this effective you have to break some starters into relievers. My latest venture I control two teams AL & NL (Pirates) and tweak throughout season adjust and apply to the master roster. I play a couple games a week using any team with extra devotion to my own teams. Minor League games are played in the Classic Stadiums and the ages of minor leaguers are adjusted down after the draft. I have two franchises going. The rosters are insane between my two drafted teams and they way the computer drafts. I did a couple simulated drafts for fun with all different results. This is the way old guys should play.