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  • yanksdaniel99
    MVP
    • Jun 2011
    • 1185

    #2671
    Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

    Originally posted by NoFatGirlz4Me37
    are they THAT worthless?
    There both middle relievers/back-end types. Walters has a nice fastball/slider combo and a higher upside, not worthless guys just not great.

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    • 37
      Fear The Spear
      • Apr 2011
      • 10346

      #2672
      Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

      Originally posted by ilstu24
      ehh, Walters has a chance at being something good, not so much for Heidenriech. Here's rotoworlds take.

      Walters, 22, projects as an intriguing prospect with a low 90s fastball and above average slider. Baseball America ranked him as the White Sox's No. 26 overall prospect prior to the 2012 season. He's likely a year or two away from reaching the majors.


      A fourth-round pick in 2009, Heidenreich has a fastball in the low 90s, but is viewed as a work in progress, with projectability at 6-foot-5, 185 pounds. He's posted a 5.89 ERA in three starts since being promoted to Double-A Birmingham last month
      well *work in progress* and the Astros goes hand-in-hand lol but yeah his numbers albeing in a small sample size dont look very promising...Walters can be pretty useful tho from the sound of it
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      • 37
        Fear The Spear
        • Apr 2011
        • 10346

        #2673
        Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

        Originally posted by ilstu24
        Keep in mind though, Walters was the #26 prospect in perhaps the worst system in baseball though, so temper expectations.
        oh im not expectin him to be the next Mariano....if he pans out to be a halfway decent reliever, i'll be content
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        • 37
          Fear The Spear
          • Apr 2011
          • 10346

          #2674
          Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

          Originally posted by yanksdaniel99
          There both middle relievers/back-end types. Walters has a nice fastball/slider combo and a higher upside, not worthless guys just not great.
          that's fine......Astros need all the bullpen guys they can get
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          • seanjeezy
            The Future
            • Aug 2009
            • 3347

            #2675
            Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

            Futures game pitch f/x data finally available, I'll have pitches and movement posted later today.
            Bakin' soda, I got bakin' soda

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            • rjackson
              MVP
              • Apr 2005
              • 1661

              #2676
              Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

              Gorman Erickson to Mid C
              Sandy Leon to Mid C
              Mycal Jones to Mid C
              Noel Arguelles to Mid C
              Felix Sterling to High C
              Miguel De Los Santos to mid C
              Jordan Akins to mid C

              Just a reminder that I can't get to this until Tuesday and Scott will be done tomorrow. Things like risky Astros prospects obtained from the Blight Sox could probably wait for v4 if needed Yeah, NFG4M, I put them on the same level as Storm Throne just not as interesting of a name

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              • 37
                Fear The Spear
                • Apr 2011
                • 10346

                #2677
                Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                Originally posted by rjackson
                Gorman Erickson to Mid C
                Sandy Leon to Mid C
                Mycal Jones to Mid C
                Noel Arguelles to Mid C
                Felix Sterling to High C
                Miguel De Los Santos to mid C
                Jordan Akins to mid C

                Just a reminder that I can't get to this until Tuesday and Scott will be done tomorrow. Things like risky Astros prospects obtained from the Blight Sox could probably wait for v4 if needed Yeah, NFG4M, I put them on the same level as Storm Throne just not as interesting of a name
                i was gunna wait until the post trade-deadline roster set anyway so take all the time u need....i would like both guys to be included but if Walters makes it and Heidenreich doesn't, that'd be ok too
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                • rjackson
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 1661

                  #2678
                  Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                  Originally posted by NoFatGirlz4Me37
                  i was gunna wait until the post trade-deadline roster set anyway so take all the time u need....i would like both guys to be included but if Walters makes it and Heidenreich doesn't, that'd be ok too
                  In all honesty, I've run Astros franchises thx to your thread and I wouldn't see these guys being any help to any team. Putting Milk Carton in your pen would serve better...but I'm no baseball exec, just a White Sox fan who has been slowly but surely fading away from them as Ken Williams does his thing like drafting his no talent son and turning a blind eye to his friend's corruption in the scouting ranks.
                  Last edited by rjackson; 07-21-2012, 04:51 PM.

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                  • 37
                    Fear The Spear
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 10346

                    #2679
                    Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                    Originally posted by rjackson
                    In all honesty, Walters MIGHT be a low to mid-C in my eyes and Heidenreich a mid to high D. I've run Astros franchises thx to your thread and I wouldn't see these guys being any help to any rotation. Someone mentioned projectability and that projectability is AAA at most in my eyes, but I'm no baseball exec, just a White Sox fan who has been slowly but surely fading away from them as Ken Williams does his thing.
                    i definitely agree that neither gunna prolly be a difference-maker but i dont want it to feel like Myers got traded away for nothing if u know what i mean.....i'll take a low/mid-C project who i can PERHAPS develop rather then old farts who serve no purpose besides eating up a roster space
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                    • yanksdaniel99
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 1185

                      #2680
                      Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                      Doing Heidenreich CAP now, I say def. include Walters b/c he's a lefty that has a pulse, also recommend including Heidenreich CAP b/c he's in Double A and accurate double A rosters are always good.

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                      • yanksdaniel99
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 1185

                        #2681
                        Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                        Originally posted by seanjeezy
                        Futures game pitch f/x data finally available, I'll have pitches and movement posted later today.
                        Good Lord, Thank God. No one has any idea how long I've waited/how excited I am for this.

                        Not sure if your planning to just post it or what, but I'd recommend creating a new category and adding it to the pitch edits spreadsheet.

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                        • 37
                          Fear The Spear
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 10346

                          #2682
                          Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                          Originally posted by yanksdaniel99
                          Doing Heidenreich CAP now, I say def. include Walters b/c he's a lefty that has a pulse, also recommend including Heidenreich CAP b/c he's in Double A and accurate double A rosters are always good.
                          just wanna say a big thank u for creating these guys that u didnt have to....i cant express my gratitude enough....did u happen to take a look at the Heineman CAP in the vault?
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                          • yanksdaniel99
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 1185

                            #2683
                            Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                            Originally posted by NoFatGirlz4Me37
                            just wanna say a big thank u for creating these guys that u didnt have to....i cant express my gratitude enough....did u happen to take a look at the Heineman CAP in the vault?
                            Had to run out for a quick sec, but will check when I get home.

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                            • 37
                              Fear The Spear
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 10346

                              #2684
                              Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                              Originally posted by yanksdaniel99
                              Had to run out for a quick sec, but will check when I get home.
                              no problem....hope u can plug in some ratings and hopefully Panda would edit him somehow lol
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                              • rjackson
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 1661

                                #2685
                                Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                                This has to be disheartening to any Astros fans and franchise players:

                                In an Insider-only blog post, ESPN's Keith Law says the two pitchers the Astros received in exchange for Myers - Matt Heidenreich and Blair Walters - "barely qualify as prospects." He says Walters has a chance as a lefty specialist.
                                ESPN's Buster Olney hears from rival executives that the Astros seem to be following the old Devil Rays strategy, meaning they'll accumulate top draft picks for several years because their big league team will be so bad (Twitter link).

                                Too bad they put a 90 player limit on roster sizes, some older guys could be decent taxi squad AAAA injury replacement lie players but do you push them out for fringe prospects?

                                Yanks, what kind of potential did you give them?

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