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  • jnavarro
    Rookie
    • Mar 2012
    • 251

    #766
    Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

    Originally posted by yanksdaniel99
    Working on Hechavvarria CAP now

    Also going to do a Yaisel Puig CAP as well, gunna make him a B pot. unless someone has other info on him that would change my mind on that.
    He may be an A. He is supposedly better than Solar. (I'm a Cubs fan and hate to type that.) Most importantly, he is said to be the fastest player in Cuba. I saw that in an ESPN article that I don't have handy. He was held out of competition a lot because they pretty much knew he wanted to defect at the first opportunity.

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    • AC
      Win the East
      • Sep 2010
      • 14951

      #767
      Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

      Originally posted by yanksdaniel99
      Working on Hechavvarria CAP now

      Also going to do a Yaisel Puig CAP as well, gunna make him a B pot. unless someone has other info on him that would change my mind on that.
      Mid B or high B for those two? And I assume Puig will be placed in the FA pool?

      Great work.
      "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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      • yanksdaniel99
        MVP
        • Jun 2011
        • 1185

        #768
        Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

        Originally posted by jnavarro
        He may be an A. He is supposedly better than Solar. (I'm a Cubs fan and hate to type that.) Most importantly, he is said to be the fastest player in Cuba. I saw that in an ESPN article that I don't have handy. He was held out of competition a lot because they pretty much knew he wanted to defect at the first opportunity.
        Interesting, he is more polished then Soler but he doesn't have the tools Soler does. He's an above-average player but he's not in the same class as Soler and Cespedes upside-wise. Never heard he was the fastest player in Cuba, heard he was above-average though, guess we will see what info I can dig up.

        Originally posted by ACMilan1999
        Mid B or high B for those two? And I assume Puig will be placed in the FA pool?

        Great work.
        Mid B on both at this point.

        Heard Puig may sign by Friday so all depends on when Scott plans on getting the roster out. But yea, more then likely in the FA pool.

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        • MJHSpanda57
          MVP
          • Jun 2009
          • 1071

          #769
          Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

          I wish we had time to go back through and reevaluate all of the prospects from the OSFM roster. Austin Hedges for the Pads is an A potential, if his hitting comes around he could become a good player but I don't think he'll ever be worthy of an A.

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          • yanksdaniel99
            MVP
            • Jun 2011
            • 1185

            #770
            Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

            Originally posted by MJHSpanda57
            I wish we had time to go back through and reevaluate all of the prospects from the OSFM roster. Austin Hedges for the Pads is an A potential, if his hitting comes around he could become a good player but I don't think he'll ever be worthy of an A.
            PM me on this, we maybe could do something on this.

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            • AC
              Win the East
              • Sep 2010
              • 14951

              #771
              Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

              Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus has understandably been grilled for scouting details on Twitter, and he gave a quick breakdown of his skills, in which he states: "Physical, plus runner, avg bat, avg power, decent in CF, not a lock to stay there."

              However, he also pointed out that while his tools are good, he is not on the same level as Soler, saying he was "good, but not beast tools like Soler."

              Still, Soler has as high a ceiling as any prospect in baseball right now, and if Puig is even close to the same class as him, teams will be lining up to take a shot at signing him.
              -Bleacher Report

              Scout notes on Cuban free agent OF Yasel Puig: Physical, plus runner, avg bat, avg power, decent in CF, not a lock to stay there.
              -Kevin Goldstein

              Personally, I've seen very good speed, a great swing, good raw power, decent contact, decent fielding. I think Goldstein is underrating his power a bit. My 'humble' opinion on the 20-80 scale (current, future);

              Power; 60, 70
              Contact; 40, 50
              Speed; 70, 70
              Fielding; 50, 50
              Arm; 60, 60

              He looks very good. I'd give him a mid-to-high B, closer to high. He's not as good as Soler, but the guy can play.
              "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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              • bamadeuce2
                Rookie
                • Mar 2009
                • 96

                #772
                Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                I think Heccavarria is a high b. He is going to be a good player. He is having a good year in AAA. In 300 ABs he is 322, 372, 450....4 hr, 53rbi, 5 sb. He is 23 and this is his 2nd full year in American baseball so I wuld project him at 300, 355, 420....10, 55-60, 25 guy as his full season MLB numbers.

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                • AC
                  Win the East
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 14951

                  #773
                  Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                  Originally posted by bamadeuce2
                  I think Heccavarria is a high b. He is going to be a good player. He is having a good year in AAA. In 300 ABs he is 322, 372, 450....4 hr, 53rbi, 5 sb. He is 23 and this is his 2nd full year in American baseball so I wuld project him at 300, 355, 420....10, 55-60, 25 guy as his full season MLB numbers.
                  I'm a Jays fan, and you're being VERY optimistic. Realistically;

                  .275 AVG
                  60 RBI (In our lineup, that's possible)
                  >10 HRs
                  20 SBs

                  With his fair share of Gold Gloves.

                  Ultimate ceiling if he puts it all together; Brandon Phillips at SS, Derek Jeter (Whom I think is overrated)
                  Realistic Projection; John McDonald with a better bat and glove. Johnny Mac 2.0, so to speak.
                  "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                  • yanksdaniel99
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 1185

                    #774
                    Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                    Originally posted by ACMilan1999
                    I'm a Jays fan, and you're being VERY optimistic. Realistically;

                    .275 AVG
                    60 RBI (In our lineup, that's possible)
                    >10 HRs
                    20 SBs

                    With his fair share of Gold Gloves.

                    Ultimate ceiling if he puts it all together; Brandon Phillips at SS, Derek Jeter (Whom I think is overrated)
                    Realistic Projection; John McDonald with a better bat and glove. Johnny Mac 2.0, so to speak.
                    I'll got him at ...

                    .260 -.275 AVG
                    > 10 HRs
                    8-15 SBs

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                    • AC
                      Win the East
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 14951

                      #775
                      Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                      Originally posted by yanksdaniel99
                      I'll got him at ...

                      .260 -.275 AVG
                      > 10 HRs
                      8-15 SBs
                      Only thing I don't agree with is the SBs. The kid has wheels. Or did you not put his baserunning up? He's got speed, that I know.

                      Agree completely with everything else though. It's hilarious how hyped up about him some Jays fans are. Pure entertainment.
                      "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                      • yanksdaniel99
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 1185

                        #776
                        Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                        Originally posted by ACMilan1999
                        Only thing I don't agree with is the SBs. The kid has wheels. Or did you not put his baserunning up? He's got speed, that I know.

                        Agree completely with everything else though. It's hilarious how hyped up about him some Jays fans are. Pure entertainment.
                        Speed is high, BR ability is low. Its interesting how he attempted to steal 30+ bases last year and now he's on pace for ~ 15 attempts. Assuming Las Vegas coaches just aren't giving him the green light, which makes no sense to me as the only way he can improve is if he works on it in in game situations. No idea how it will play out in the majors so I figured to be conservative with it is better.

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                        • AC
                          Win the East
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 14951

                          #777
                          Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                          Originally posted by yanksdaniel99
                          Speed is high, BR ability is low. Its interesting how he attempted to steal 30+ bases last year and now he's on pace for ~ 15 attempts. Assuming Las Vegas coaches just aren't giving him the green light, which makes no sense to me as the only way he can improve is if he works on it in in game situations. No idea how it will play out in the majors so I figured to be conservative with it is better.
                          Good, he's fast, but I don't think he can steal. I don't think it'll translate well to the majors.
                          "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                          • bamadeuce2
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 96

                            #778
                            Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                            Originally posted by ACMilan1999
                            I'm a Jays fan, and you're being VERY optimistic. Realistically;

                            .275 AVG
                            60 RBI (In our lineup, that's possible)
                            >10 HRs
                            20 SBs

                            With his fair share of Gold Gloves.

                            Ultimate ceiling if he puts it all together; Brandon Phillips at SS, Derek Jeter (Whom I think is overrated)
                            Realistic Projection; John McDonald with a better bat and glove. Johnny Mac 2.0, so to speak.
                            So I'm VERY optimistic yet our projections are identical with the biggest differnce being 275-300 average. I just look at his numbers from the middle of last year(when I guess he was starting to get comfortable here) and he has been a 300 + hitter. I'm not a Jays fan but Im just going off numbers. I do love the new unis and am pretty good friends with Rasmus and Evan Crawford so Ifollow yall a little bit.

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                            • authentic
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 5812

                              #779
                              Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                              Originally posted by jnavarro
                              He may be an A. He is supposedly better than Solar. (I'm a Cubs fan and hate to type that.) Most importantly, he is said to be the fastest player in Cuba. I saw that in an ESPN article that I don't have handy. He was held out of competition a lot because they pretty much knew he wanted to defect at the first opportunity.
                              He's not suppose to be better than Soler. From what I've heard though, he is suppose to be one of the fastest players in the game. Good possibly great prospect, but remember, many people have said the Cubs farm system would go from, 22 I think to around 12-14. Solar would've been a 1st round-supplemental round pick. Although, this guy is kind of unknown, and just popped up out of no where.
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                              • AC
                                Win the East
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 14951

                                #780
                                Re: Scott's OSFM ZiPS Re-rated Rosters

                                Originally posted by authentic
                                He's not suppose to be better than Solar. From what I've heard though, he is suppose to be one of the fastest players in the game. Good possibly great prospect, but remember, many people have said the Cubs farm system would go from, 22 I think to around 12-14. Solar would've been a 1st round-supplemental round pick. Although, this guy is kind of unknown, and just popped up out of no where.
                                He's only an unknown because of a lack of Int'l coverage.... Scouts know him. He isn't one of the fastest in the game, but he's got great speed. Although I'm pretty sure Billy Hamilton holds that title. 91 SBs in 71 games is otherworldly. That's faster than Henderson.

                                He's a very good prospect, but not better than Soler.
                                "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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