2013 OSFM: Pittsburgh Pirates

[mpejkrm]

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Barrett Barnes, OF

Background: When first-rounder Mark Appel decided to return to Stanford, Barnes became the Pirates' top signee in the 2012 draft. The nephew of Anthony Young, who lost a major league-record 27 straight games with the Mets in 1992-93, Barnes went 45th overall and signed for $1 million. He earned New York-Penn League all-star recognition before a stress-related shin injury ended his pro debut a month early.

Scouting Report: Barnes has the potential to do it all offensively. He has a quick bat, good plate discipline, plus raw power and above-average speed. He's willing to work the count more than most young hitters. He has trouble with breaking pitches and gets pull-conscious at times, which may limit his ability to hit for average. Barnes is still learning to steal bases after getting caught in six of his 16 attempts as a pro. He may be able to stick in center field if he can improve his jumps with more experience. His arm is fringy.

The Future: Barnes obviously will have more value if he can remain in center field, but he should have enough power to profile as a regular if he has to move to left field. He should reach high Class A at some point during his first full pro season and may not need much more than two years of minor league seasoning.

[mpejkrm]

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Clay Holmes, RHP

Background: Holmes was the valedictorian of his high school class and the Alabama coaches association student-athlete of the year in 2011. He was part of the Pirates' draft binge that year, when they set bonus records for the first (Gerrit Cole, $8 million), second (Josh Bell, $5 million) and ninth (Holmes, $1.2 million) rounds. In his 2012 pro debut, he limited more advanced hitters to a .176 average, which would have ranked second in the New York-Penn League if he hadn't missed qualifying by two innings.

Scouting Report: Holmes uses his big frame and quick arm to throw 90-95 mph fastballs on a steep downward plane. He can pound the bottom of the strike zone when his mechanics are in sync, but he's still learning to consistently control all of his pitches. He also throws a hard three-quarters breaking ball and is working to add a changeup. Holmes is a good athlete for his size, which bodes well for his ability to repeat his delivery and throw more strikes. He's built for durability and gets high marks for his maturity and competitiveness.

The Future: Holmes' arm strength and smarts give him the upside of a No. 3 starter, though he's still a long ways from reaching that ceiling. He's ready to advance to low Class A in 2013.

[eman11]

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Good stuff. Won't need to worry about Wilson or McPherson since SCEA will have them taken care of, but definitely helpful on the guys we'll need to create/make decisions on.

[GoBucs09]

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I have to say that the quota system is pretty much terrible. The only thing keeping Josh Bell and Luis Herredia from being A's is we already have 4 others. That is really ridiculous. So here is my most likely irrelevant two cents:

A Potential Players
Cole
Taillon
Heredia
Polanco
Hanson
Bell

B Potential Players
Barnes
Mathisen
Dickerson
Kingham
Holmes
Black
Garcia
Glasnow
Herrara

At any rate, I am firm believer we have a really good farm system. I love the work you guys do for the roster and can't wait for The Show next week and for the OSFM roster to be released.

Actually the Pirates may just get 2 A's this year. Cole and Taillon. Polanco and Hanson will be B+ (B's with high attributes). Although I'm still kind of torn.

The quota system is more about how the game works in regards to retirement. Too many A's will lead to early retirements in the 2nd or 3rd season, for people who sim parts of their season and end up getting into their 4th or 5th season of Franchise, that can be annoying to see a 34 year old with a decent overal retire.

In real life the Pirates for sure have between 6 and 8 very interesting prospects with high ceilings. The ceilings for Heredia, Bell, Polanco and Hanson is all projection though. In a couple years they may all be getting an A potential, or maybe only a couple.

Not sure if I agree with Dickerson and Garcia as B potential. C+ for Dickerson for sure, he wasn't lights out in High A Bradenton last year, he did well but for a college hitter the expectations were a little higher for him to be rated a B potential. Who knows, maybe he goes to Altoona and lights it up. Garcia has contact issues and doesn't have any exceptional tools. Personally I like Ozuna at first a little more (since he has more power and better plate patience than Garcia).

Does anyone here have an early copy to checkout which players made it in? especially the NRI?
For example, Andy Oliver, Lucas May, Ali Solis, Felix Pie, Darren Ford or Brad Hawpe have been in the game before, but since they didn´t play last year, maybe they are not in the game. Sometimes there are exceptions.

I don't have an early copy but it should be based on MLB time for the 2012 season.

Oliver, May, Pie, Ford and Hawpe didn't play in the Majors last year so SCEA wouldn't have them in the game.

Solis did play last year so he is in the game.

[seanjeezy]

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Actually the Pirates may just get 2 A's this year. Cole and Taillon. Polanco and Hanson will be B+ (B's with high attributes). Although I'm still kind of torn.

The quota system is more about how the game works in regards to retirement. Too many A's will lead to early retirements in the 2nd or 3rd season, for people who sim parts of their season and end up getting into their 4th or 5th season of Franchise, that can be annoying to see a 34 year old with a decent overall retire.

I have Hanson as an A- on my list, but that's if he moves to second (which I think he eventually does). I agree with Polanco as a B+ (that's what I already have him as), moving him up to an A- requires him to hit around .300 with ~25+ HR's, I see him more in the ~.285 range with ~22-23 HR's. If you think Hanson is a B+ I'll change it...

[GoBucs09]

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I have Hanson as an A- on my list, but that's if he moves to second (which I think he eventually does). I agree with Polanco as a B+ (that's what I already have him as), moving him up to an A- requires him to hit around .300 with ~25+ HR's, I see him more in the ~.285 range with ~22-23 HR's. If you think Hanson is a B+ I'll change it...

I agree with your take on Hanson, A- if he moves to second, B+ at short. I think the Pirates keep him at short though assuming his arm stregth improves over the next few years.

I don't necessarily think .300 with 25 HR is an unrealistic average projection for Polanco although it is an optimistic projection given he hasn't reached AA yet. I think B+ is fair for Polanco.

I think A- is fair for Hanson as well. Lets go that route.

[Qb]

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I'd like to see at least one of Hanson or Polanco as an A, but don't ask me which one. They're both so far away it's hard to be definitive, as either could fizzle as they move up. Likewise, if they both put up similar numbers this year, they'll be easy As next year.

I think Bs are fair for Bell and Heredia; both are very young and raw. Bell barely played last year after injury and has a long way to go. He can still have ample contact and power potential as a B (training!). While there's a chance Heredia improves his command as adapts to his body, his stuff isn't exceptional and he doesn't have much projection based on his size now. Better mechanics might give him a few MPH, but he does not appear to have the electric arm most top pitching prospects have. Now a big horse of an innings-eater is a different story and I'd have no problem with that.

[eman11]

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Hey guys, now that the game is out, wasn't sure what the plan of attack is for the Pirates?

Know a lot of you guys have done this before, so not sure what all you may need help with (if anything at all), but I'll have a decent break from MARCH 8 til the 14th if anything big needs done.

Then I'll be back to a normal schedule of somewhat limited free time after that.

But, just wanted to let you guys know about the big chunk of free time I have available, if needed.

[ROYALE_360]

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I haven't helped before but I'm interested in helping this year! Let me know what I can do. I just picked up the game an hour ago so ill be diving in any second.

[ElectricWizard]

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I can do some damage with the stances this year. They gave us all kinds of options.

[GoBucs09]

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tree3five and I will be splitting the editing, tree will do stances/deliveries/general info and I'll do face edits/general info. Each of us will work on about half the players, swap rosters and finish up.

I'm sure any good insights on stances/deliveries will be helpfull for tree.

I'm not sure who will be doing the attribute ratings though. If someone wants to take on that task, awesome.

Not sure who did ratings last year, if it was qb, eman, ridn or knight.

Also, if someone is as good or better than me at editing faces, I'd be happy to pass the torch or split up the face editing work since I'm usually the bottle neck.

[iTzTHURDYbOy]

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Just read the first few posts and sorry if this has been handled, but Hanson should def be the A potential player out of those. He's compared to a young Hanley Ramirez...

Good luck with the rosters! Can't wait to use 'em...

[GoBucs09]

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Just read the first few posts and sorry if this has been handled, but Hanson should def be the A potential player out of those. He's compared to a young Hanley Ramirez...

Good luck with the rosters! Can't wait to use 'em...

Yep.

Final list looks like this.

Cole A+
Tailon A
Hanson A-

Polanco B+
Heredia B+
Bell B+
Barnes B
Kingham B
Black B-
Glasnow B-
Holmes B-
Mathisen B-
Herrera B-

I'll probably make second versions of Polanco, Heredia and Bell with A- potential for Pirates fans.

[yanksdaniel99]

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Yep.

Final list looks like this.

Cole A+
Tailon A
Hanson A-

Polanco B+
Heredia B+
Bell B+
Barnes B
Kingham B
Black B-
Glasnow B-
Holmes B-
Mathisen B-
Herrera B-

I'll probably make second versions of Polanco, Heredia and Bell with A- potential for Pirates fans.

That looks really solid IMO, I'd consider moving Glasnow to a straight B but everything looks great.

[pittsburgher86]

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Yep.

Final list looks like this.

Cole A+
Tailon A
Hanson A-

Polanco B+
Heredia B+
Bell B+
Barnes B
Kingham B
Black B-
Glasnow B-
Holmes B-
Mathisen B-
Herrera B-

I'll probably make second versions of Polanco, Heredia and Bell with A- potential for Pirates fans.

I can live with this. I must say I seriously believe either Bell or Polanco should be in the A's. But this is a solid list and I love the work you guys do!