2013 OSFM v3: Pitch Edits

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2013 OSFM v3: Pitch Edits

I don't understand why Latos has a sinker. Brooks has him with around 4 for horizontal and around 10 for vertical. Cahill throws a sinker and he's 9 for horizontal and 2-3 for vertical, quite the opposite of what Latos has. Brandon Webb was a sinkerball pitcher with similar movements to Cahill.

[ThirdDegree5803]

Re: 2013 OSFM v3: Pitch Edits

he doesn't have a sinker in my set....you must be looking at stock

[Cavicchi]

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he doesn't have a sinker in my set....you must be looking at stock

Good! I'll look for your roster, sounds like you are doing it with regard to realism.

I'm not a Marlins fan, but every roster I've seen seems to have Shelby Miller looking better than Jose Fernandez.

Stats for this year are as follows.

Jose Fernandez:

Innings pitched- 172.2 - Hits -111, HR-10, BB-58, SO-187, WAR 6.3 WHIP-0.98, ERA-2.19

Shelby Miller:

Innings pitched-173.1 Hits-152, HR-20, BB-57, SO-169, WAR-3.4
WHIP-1.21, ERA-3.06

[AC]

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Fernandez should be far and away better than Miller. 72 FIP- vs 101 FIP-? Fernandez is much better.

[Cavicchi]

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Fernandez should be far and away better than Miller. 72 FIP- vs 101 FIP-? Fernandez is much better.

I agree! Maybe I missed one, but all the roster makers I've seen have Miller with better control and better stuff.

I said a long time ago, first month or so of the season, Fernandez has great stuff. Plus, he's doing it for the Marlins.

Another pitcher I wonder about is Kershaw. Some give him 48 control for his curveball, along with 77 control for his fastball. Take a look at how many Bases on Balls he has over 230+ innings. I don't see the correlation between his control ratings and his base on ball stat. Oh, and they have his arm accuracy at 32!

[raneman85]

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Wandy Rodriguez AND A.J. Burnett should NOT have a knuckle-curve. They both DO NOT use it. They use the 12-6 Curve

Couldn't be any further from the truth.

[ThirdDegree5803]

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I believe I have Fernandez at a 89, Shelby 88.

[Cavicchi]

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Fernandez should be far and away better than Miller. 72 FIP- vs 101 FIP-? Fernandez is much better.

I believe I have Fernandez at a 89, Shelby 88.

I don't see how they are that close, do you?

Stats for this year are as follows.

Jose Fernandez:

Innings pitched- 172.2 - Hits -111, HR-10, BB-58, SO-187, WAR 6.3 WHIP-0.98, ERA-2.19

Shelby Miller:

Innings pitched-173.1 Hits-152, HR-20, BB-57, SO-169, WAR-3.4
WHIP-1.21, ERA-3.06

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2013 OSFM v3: Pitch Edits

You might also want to know Jose Fernandez doesn't have a slider according to BrooksBaseball:

http://brooksbaseball.net/tabs.php?p.../2013&s_type=2

[Cavicchi]

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You have Paul Goldschmidt with a Fielding rating of 48! Have you looked at his Fielding percentage for this year and last year? 97% this year.

Andrelton Simmons with Fielding at 83? Okay, who are the better fielding shortstops?

You have Michael Wacha with primary pitch being a two-seam fastball. He doesn't have a two-seam fastball: http://brooksbaseball.net/tabs.php?p.../2013&s_type=2

[AC]

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I don't see how they are that close, do you?

I still don't get why we're judging players on overall.

You have Paul Goldschmidt with a Fielding rating of 48! Have you looked at his Fielding percentage for this year and last year? 97% this year.

Goldy is a decently above average fielder but fielding percentage really isn't indicative of his true talent. Or many player's true talent, period.

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2013 OSFM v3: Pitch Edits

I still don't get why we're judging players on overall.
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Because it's what makes up that overall.

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Goldy is a decently above average fielder but fielding percentage really isn't indicative of his true talent. Or many player's true talent, period.

Because he shouldn't field like a 48-rated player.

The way you seem to think is fielding ratings do not mean anything. I wouldn't just boost his fielding, I would also boost his reaction and arm ratings.

[AC]

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The way you seem to think is fielding ratings do not mean anything.

I would love to know where you got that idea.

I'm saying I agree with you in that Goldy should be rated higher, just not because of his fielding percentage. Maybe his 5.4 UZR, or his 40 OOZ plays, but not cause of fielding percentage. Even Range Factor/9 is probably better.

[Cavicchi]

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I would love to know where you got that idea.

I'm saying I agree with you in that Goldy should be rated higher, just not because of his fielding percentage. Maybe his 5.4 UZR, or his 40 OOZ plays, but not cause of fielding percentage. Even Range Factor/9 is probably better.

Okay, so do you know why the official online roster has Wacha with a 4-seam fastball being his primary pitch and "other" rosters have it as a 2-seam fastball? I mean, those who claim to use BrooksBaseball for pitch edits don't make sense to me. BrooksBaseball doesn't even show a 2-seam fastball for him.

http://brooksbaseball.net/tabs.php?p.../2013&s_type=2

[AC]

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I have no idea how that's at all relevant to what I posted in the least. there are other pitch f/x systems such as the ones on fangraphs that might have given the error but I don't know, I didn't make these rosters. Maybe it was a simple error on an important player. Who knows.