HOF pitching too easy??

[phillyfan23]

here is a PM I sent to nemesis regarding the problems I am having. I think the CPU hitting on HOF is way too impotent, even with maxed out sliders.

Anyone experience the same thing? any way to fix it?

here is my long PM


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hey whats up nemesis....

My main beef for this year is that cpu hitting on HOF is really really bad. I am gonna ask you for help because I know u're a slider tester and probably have been messing with HOF sliders these past 2 days.

ok here we go

Here are my basic sliders for the cpu...

power 10/20
hit quality 20/20
Pitch speed 12/20
timing window ive tested from 10/20 to 20/20
I use classic pitching
my pitching command is 0/20
foul ball percentage ive tested from 10/20 to 20/20
pitch count max
plate discipline have tested from 10/20 to 17/20
Last year these were my sliders except contact for cpu was just at 13/20.

I raised that to the max and STILL cpu hitting really really blows. I can't get a challenge. I noticed this year that it's significantly easier to strike out the cpu hitters so I;m sure they did something with the hitting for the cpu.

I even noticed that with classic pitching it was a lot easier to hit spots and make it harder to walk cpu batters.

To try to remedy this...I edited(reduced by half) all of my phillies pitchers' pitching clutch, h/9, k/9, bb/9,and control ratings on their pitch arsenal...and STILL i can't get a challenge in the game. Most cpu runs so far on me have been 3 runs....

ANyways....what are ur experiences with the game so far. I know u're on HOF and do u find the game is easier this year....?? Any way to make it challenging?

thanks for ur help

BTW my name is Riz

take care

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FWIW- nemesis agreed that HOF cpu hitting has taken a hit for the worse this year...and is trying to find solutions.

[cowboype2000]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

First thing I would suggest is too up your power setting to either 11 or 12 (13 is too high). I'm playing on 12 now. The CPU just won't hit any HRs and doubles are hard for them to hit too. Also, I would suggest turning off pitcher confidence. I was having the same problem as you, and for whatever reason, when I turned off pitcher confidence the CPU starting hitting against me (I'm not sure if it was a coincidence or not). I still find it a little too easy to pitch with my top 2 pitchers. I have found it pretty tough to pitch with my 4 & 5 pitchers though. Also, up the CPU's timing window a bit too.

BTW, I'm use classic pitching with pitch command at 0.

[Skyboxer]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

I'm on hof with lowered power and so far in 3 exhibition games I've hit 3 hr's and the cpu has hit 2. I'm pretty happy so far and after some more games I should be close to what I want. I'll post them later.

[cowboype2000]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

I'm on hof with lowered power and so far in 3 exhibition games I've hit 3 hr's and the cpu has hit 2. I'm pretty happy so far and after some more games I should be close to what I want. I'll post them later.

What is your pitch speed at? Because, I'm playing with lower pitch speed, currently at 4, and I have a theory that lower pitch speed cause balls to be hit more softly.


Another thing I just thought of was lowering Player pitch movement might help too.

[NoSkillz50]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

Just when I start to think like that the CPU lights me up. I have been able to dominate the CPU at times, but overall I think we both get about the same amount of hits so I'll have to wait on my final decision. One thing I never liked in some games was that it really did feel like you were picking a difficulty, and it wasn't like you could dominate and just own a team like you could in real life and then have the roles completely switched. It seemed like once you picked a difficulty you would lock yourself more or less into the same type of games (even if they were realistic games) over and over.

I need to play the game more, but I've had games that would be like 8-9, 13-3, 2-4, 3-5, 4-3, 1-0, and 12-8, just scores all over the place. I'll just have to see if a pattern forms and see how I'm doing overall, because I am doing quite well at times, but I can't conistantly keep the computer down so hopefully it all average to realistic numbers.

Most games can be cracked when you learn the AI well enough though so you're probably right, or you will be eventually. Unless they are both smart and incredibly cheap.

I started thinking this game was too easy when I started out hitting .375 in the first week of ST in my RTTS only to have my BA drop to around .200 by the end of the month. Start a franchise, play a decent sampling of games and see if your team ERA is in the 4-5 range.

[Skyboxer]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

What is your pitch speed at? Because, I'm playing with lower pitch speed, currently at 4, and I have a theory that lower pitch speed cause balls to be hit more softly.


Another thing I just thought of was lowering Player pitch movement might help too.

Low. It's either 4 or 5. I believe 4.
Just lost 5-1 vs Tampa. Wang gave up 1 hr.

[phillyfan23]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

First thing I would suggest is too up your power setting to either 11 or 12 (13 is too high). I'm playing on 12 now. The CPU just won't hit any HRs and doubles are hard for them to hit too. Also, I would suggest turning off pitcher confidence. I was having the same problem as you, and for whatever reason, when I turned off pitcher confidence the CPU starting hitting against me (I'm not sure if it was a coincidence or not). I still find it a little too easy to pitch with my top 2 pitchers. I have found it pretty tough to pitch with my 4 & 5 pitchers though. Also, up the CPU's timing window a bit too.

BTW, I'm use classic pitching with pitch command at 0.

sup cowboy...

thanks for the suggestions...I will try your suggestions with the pitcher confidence and also raise power. Maybe the pitcher confidence will make a difference...we will see.

Did u play 07? do u notice a difference at all from last year ?

ok then....i'll play with ur suggestions and i'll let u know the results

[BIG CAROLINA]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

I know that he is not a popular guy in OS,but I d/l NJ Papis sliders and so far so good for me. I had to make some minor adjustments but it was a good baseline.This will hold me over until Nemisis has a set up.

[cowboype2000]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

sup cowboy...

thanks for the suggestions...I will try your suggestions with the pitcher confidence and also raise power. Maybe the pitcher confidence will make a difference...we will see.

Did u play 07? do u notice a difference at all from last year ?

ok then....i'll play with ur suggestions and i'll let u know the results

I did not play 07, but I did play 06: The Show and had similar problems. I clearly remember the CPU not being able to hit whatsoever with power set at 8 in 06: The Show; however, for some reason, the CPU hit the ball all over the place with power set at 9.

[cowboype2000]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

Low. It's either 4 or 5. I believe 4.
Just lost 5-1 vs Tampa. Wang gave up 1 hr.

I don't know what to say. When I first got the game, I dropped power to 9 and no one hit any HRs. Then, I moved it up to 10, very few HRs. I then tried 13, and HRs were hit all over the place. I'm right now trying to decide which is best for the power slider, either 11 or 12. Using 12 right now, and the CPU and I are nailing them at Wrigley. I'm not sure if it's because the wind has been blowing out or not. I saw that when you pause the game, you can see wind velocity; however, I don't see where wind direction is displayed at.

[djep]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

I saw that when you pause the game, you can see wind velocity; however, I don't see where wind direction is displayed at.

There's a little flashing white arrow in the wind velocity indicator that'll show you the direction.

[phillyfan23]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

I am beyond frustrated right now with this game.

I have tried EVERYTHING.....

pitcher confidence off/on
I've edited fielder speed on an individual basis to make the game more organic

i've edited my "sample" pitcher.....john maine's OVR rating was 80 percent on the bar without editing.....after i downgraded his control and his strikeout and hit ratings, he was a 30 percent...STILL no challenge.

Ive upped power to 12 like cowboy said.....with hit quality at 20/20 timing window at 20/20 and i was still dominating with a severely downgraded pitcher.

This could possibly be the worst thing done on the series. I played 07 and the cpu on HOF was really really challenging and every pitching situation gave me a lot tension and nerves. This year, it's like a stroll in the park.

by the way I pitch classic still with 0 pitch command....it's so much easier this year to hit ur spots....i don't walk nealy the amount I did last year.

so I did a little test....I tapped the fastball pitch button....to everysingle hitter for the cpu right down the middle...meatballs! THey had 3.....THREE!!! hits ....2 Hrs....scored 2 runs.

I really don't know what else to say.

my last attempt is to reduce pitch speed to default...now it's at 12.

if this doesn't fix it....i really don't know what else to do?

I tried all star.....same results.

It's not because im this super pitcher....i did the same exact thing last year, but with a huge discrepancy in results.

very very frustrating

[cowboype2000]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

Ive upped power to 12 like cowboy said.....with hit quality at 20/20 timing window at 20/20 and i was still dominating with a severely downgraded pitcher.

so I did a little test....I tapped the fastball pitch button....to everysingle hitter for the cpu right down the middle...meatballs! THey had 3.....THREE!!! hits ....2 Hrs....scored 2 runs.

I really don't know what else to say.

my last attempt is to reduce pitch speed to default...now it's at 12.

I had that same problem in MLB '06: The Show. I know how it feels, I would easily be able to throw complete game shutouts with Glendon Rush by throwing pitches right down the middle. You really don't need hit quality at 20 (I find it really doesn't do that much - it just really causes outs to be hit harder from my experience). I have CPU hit quality at around 14/15. Also, timing window at 20 may actually hurt matters because it might allow the CPU to make contact on pitches it should miss thereby allowing even more easy outs, I have mine set to 12-14. The one thing I do have set different is I have pitch speed at 6. Lastly, it seems like some games are programmed to be low scoring affairs while other games are full of offense, so just don't play one game with certain settings and assume it's the settings' fault.

[brunnoce]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

Also, timing window at 20 may actually hurt matters because it might allow the CPU to make contact on pitches it should miss thereby allowing even more easy outs, I have mine set to 12-14.

r u sure about that? u see from what ive played in the demo, the less timing window i had the less hits i could get, casue i would hit the ball wrong more times....
i didnt notice any contact effect in the timing window...like, i felt i could make contact with it at 20/20 the same way as when it was set to 0/20. the diference was that with it at 20, i would have a lot less "punishment" on not hiting the ball at the correct time, resulting in harder hits...while when it was set to 0 the ball would be hit a lot worst if i couldnt get the correct timing down my hits. i know this thing was supposed to be adressed in the hit quality slider, but lowering that one only made me hit cheap singles all over the place instead of lowering my hit number.

offcourse all of that are from playing the demo a lot.

[cowboype2000]

Re: HOF pitching too easy??

r u sure about that? u see from what ive played in the demo, the less timing window i had the less hits i could get, casue i would hit the ball wrong more times....
i didnt notice any contact effect in the timing window...like, i felt i could make contact with it at 20/20 the same way as when it was set to 0/20. the diference was that with it at 20, i would have a lot less "punishment" on not hiting the ball at the correct time, resulting in harder hits...while when it was set to 0 the ball would be hit a lot worst if i couldnt get the correct timing down my hits. i know this thing was supposed to be adressed in the hit quality slider, but lowering that one only made me hit cheap singles all over the place instead of lowering my hit number.

offcourse all of that are from playing the demo a lot.

The in-game description is "Shift this slider to the right to increase the timing window for swings to make contact." I interpret this as move it to the left to swing and miss more, move it to the right to swing and miss less. So, I view this as a "contact" slider in a way. From what you describe, it sounds like the hit quality slider, which doesn't affect how much contact you make but how well you hit the ball when you do make contact. To me, it seems redundant to have 2 sliders that do the same thing - timing window slider kinda determines if you do make contact, and the hit quality slider determines how well you hit the ball when you do indeed make contact. I could be completely wrong as I have not thoroughly tested out the timing window slider, I'm just assuming it works according to my interpretation.

And, one minor edit as far as the power slider goes. I thought I had it set at 12 but it turns out it was at 11, so 12 would definitely be too high because I'm beginning to think 11 is one notch too high (as the CPU is hitting to many HRs in a domed stadium so the wind is not the reason for the long balls - plus, I hit a opposite field HR with Ronny Cedeno).