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  • Maynard
    Banned
    • Feb 2007
    • 831

    #1

    anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

    just curious if anyone ever tested this. i am messing with different slider options and yesterday i decided to just put the cpu hitting sliders all the way up to 10. here is exactly what i had for both me and the cpu

    Me/CPU
    Contact 3/10
    Power 3/10
    Timing 0/10
    Solid Hits 0/10
    Fouls 5/5

    everything else is at default

    I played 1 game and i had 20 hits, 8 HR 5 double, 7 BB and 4 K....21 Runs Scored
    CPU had 5 hits, 1 double, 1 BB, 9K 3 Runs

    The 2nd game stats i didnt write down, but i won it 17-2 with 5 HR, 5 Doubles. CPU had 6 hits and no extra base hits.

    This is with Pitching on Vet and batting on AS. i been playing on this difficulty for about 25 games now. But thru about 50-60 total games played, i have never seen results like this.

    Its not so much the score, but the ease of which i was crushing pitches. i even purposly tried to swing wrong and still hit HR. i would aim the batter eye down and the pitch would be up high and i nailed it.

    Coincidence? how many slider sets really have much separation from player to CPU? i am hoping there is nothing to this cause the last i want to do is even think about finding out
    Last edited by Maynard; 04-18-2010, 11:43 AM.
  • ParisB
    MVP
    • Jan 2010
    • 1699

    #2
    Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

    You're just seeing some variance, nothing more.

    All the sliders (except the base stealing ability) are working properly because the results are evident over a larger sample size (and some even immediately).

    The base stealing ability has been proven to be reversed. On default the CPU has a hard time stealing bases, but raising the slider doesn't help...yet when you lower it to 0, the CPU becomes Rickey Henderson.

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    • Maynard
      Banned
      • Feb 2007
      • 831

      #3
      Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

      Originally posted by ParisB
      You're just seeing some variance, nothing more.

      All the sliders (except the base stealing ability) are working properly because the results are evident over a larger sample size (and some even immediately).

      The base stealing ability has been proven to be reversed. On default the CPU has a hard time stealing bases, but raising the slider doesn't help...yet when you lower it to 0, the CPU becomes Rickey Henderson.

      i hear ya, but that sample size is based on sliders that are equal to both sides. Have you ever put the hitting CPU sliders all the way up and put the user hitting sliders all the way down?

      I would never have done this if not out of a need to see if i can get the cpu to score runs. And the opposite happened. Sure its just 2 games, but it makes me wonder now

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      • ParisB
        MVP
        • Jan 2010
        • 1699

        #4
        Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

        Originally posted by Maynard
        i hear ya, but that sample size is based on sliders that are equal to both sides. Have you ever put the hitting CPU sliders all the way up and put the user hitting sliders all the way down?

        I would never have done this if not out of a need to see if i can get the cpu to score runs. And the opposite happened. Sure its just 2 games, but it makes me wonder now

        Well Sliders (in this game particularly), aren't extreme to begin with. The Devs have stated this multiple times. Putting Contact at 0 won't mean you won't be able to get hits, or maxing it out won't mean you tear the cover off the ball etc.

        It's the same reason that one day you might hit 4 homeruns in a game, while then go 7 games with only hitting 2 total.

        I can probably max out Power to +10 and not hit a homerun the next two games, it won't mean the slider is reversed.

        If I remember correctly, I think the Devs threw out that the number was a -5% variance from Default to 0, and a +5% variance from Default to 10. You really need to play a lot of games to start seeing the trends average out, with a lot of variance happening until that point (just like real life).

        You will see games where your offense is anemic and then games where your offense seems too good. You shouldn't be making slider adjustments after every game or week. Just today alone the Brewers scored 10 runs in the 1st inning....was their Contact/Power too high? Earlier in the year another team scored 13 runs. The Red Sox are struggling to score right now, should they bump up their sliders yet? The Giants hit .365 as a team during the 1st week of the season.......I can go on but you get the point

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        • PsychoBulk
          Hoping for change...
          • May 2006
          • 4191

          #5
          Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

          On the nail Paris.

          Its Baseball, its a game of slumps, streaks and variations...and thats why we all love it.

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          • Maynard
            Banned
            • Feb 2007
            • 831

            #6
            Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

            you guys are not answering the question. Its obvious that you havnt actually tested this and are throwing out your thoughts on how baseball is played...stuff any baseball fan would already know

            if its known that the stealing slider is reversed, then why is it so difficult to believe the hitting sliders (or others) might be reversed too?

            test it and then post your thoughts.

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            • ParisB
              MVP
              • Jan 2010
              • 1699

              #7
              Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

              Originally posted by Maynard
              you guys are not answering the question. Its obvious that you havnt actually tested this and are throwing out your thoughts on how baseball is played...stuff any baseball fan would already know

              if its known that the stealing slider is reversed, then why is it so difficult to believe the hitting sliders (or others) might be reversed too?

              test it and then post your thoughts.
              umm, that's what i JUST did

              What I said is in regards to the games I've been playing....the sliders are NOT reversed. You made your conclusion over a 2 game sample, I made my thoughts based on almost a hundred games

              if you're not going to believe me/us, then by all means keep playing with their hitting sliders at +10 and post the stats/results...

              i actually like reading

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              • Maynard
                Banned
                • Feb 2007
                • 831

                #8
                Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

                so you played almost a hundred games with the cpu hitting at 10 and the user hitting at 0

                interesting

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                • Boltman
                  L.A. to S.D. to HI
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 18283

                  #9
                  Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

                  Yea he has, problem Maynerd?

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                  • BleacherCreature
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 3160

                    #10
                    Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

                    Originally posted by Maynard
                    you guys are not answering the question. Its obvious that you havnt actually tested this and are throwing out your thoughts on how baseball is played...stuff any baseball fan would already know

                    if its known that the stealing slider is reversed, then why is it so difficult to believe the hitting sliders (or others) might be reversed too?

                    test it and then post your thoughts.
                    I nominate you to be the tester.

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                    • ParisB
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1699

                      #11
                      Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

                      Originally posted by Maynard
                      so you played almost a hundred games with the cpu hitting at 10 and the user hitting at 0

                      interesting
                      Did I say I did?

                      I started at default and tweaked accordingly. I didn't need to play 100 games with the extreme sliders. You start dialing in and thje trends become apparent. For example on AS the CPU Contact going from 3 to 2 is where the difference starts getting noticeable. Similarly, Solid Hits has a noticeable dip from 5 to 0.

                      I can go on but its clear you just want to be mr. Cool and not listen to what we told you already. None of the hit sliders are reversed.

                      I have a hundred game sample while you're still sitting at 2 games. I'm willing to see your results

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                      • chuckm1961
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 1429

                        #12
                        Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

                        To say it in a different way .... go play 100 games on whatever sliders you want, then report back.

                        If you get odd results, of course people will pay attention.

                        Two or three or five games is meaningless.
                        Last edited by chuckm1961; 04-20-2010, 10:00 PM.
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                        • Maynard
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 831

                          #13
                          Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

                          dont be so sensitive people. i am asking for people who have tested this to post. None of you who have replied have done any testing, so you dont need to post in this thread.

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                          • BleacherCreature
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 3160

                            #14
                            Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

                            Originally posted by Maynard
                            dont be so sensitive people. i am asking for people who have tested this to post. None of you who have replied have done any testing, so you dont need to post in this thread.
                            Wouldn't this also include yourself?

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                            • SA1NT401
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 3498

                              #15
                              Re: anyone test to see if sliders are reversed?

                              to really see results from slider tweaks...you need to play at LEAST 15 or so games to get a feel for how they pan out....

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