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[MannybeingManny]

Good day,

I believe I have surrendered. I purchased MLB 10 The Show the day it was released in my home town. Unlike almost everyone else I have yet to really enjoy this game. My problem like many others is that I have became overwhelmed by sliders and settings. I also belive that the "Perfect slider set" is very realistic but in many ways or at least the way I play the game is not. I have started and stopped four seasons since I purchased this game. I have made every attempt to play this game with All Star hitting and All Star pitching, using the perfect slider set. I find this realistic in the type of hits that are achieved. However there are almost no hits or runs period. Every game and I do mean every game is a 3-2 , 4-3. 4-1 score. When using these sliders exactly as described by Pchycobulk I have no success hitting what's so ever. every at bat seems to be a struggle to get the ball out of the infield let alone get a hit. The only success I have is to put the contact slider up one click and even then I might get four runs. As far as the computers hitting skills, they disappear. I started a offline season with the St.Lous cardinals and after playing 50 games I have never surrender more then four runs or 8 hits. I thought it might be the somewhat easy schedule the cards have in the early part of the season but after holding the Braves, Dodgers, and Phillies also to about two runs a game I find that this is no longer working for me. Every starting pitcher for the user or computer has a start like the following 6-8ip 4-6 hits zero to 3 walks and 6-9 ks
I have been told by several individuals that this game has been configured to play harder then the previous versions. Therefore if playing on versions that you have been playing on for years you will have much different results.
I have had the perception that hitting and pitching settings should be the same. And that playing on veteran is easy. However id almost rather have an easier play then have to fight and concentrate as if I'm studying for my masters.
I have just started a season with the Minnesota Twins. I'm looking for any feedback. I'm pretty much done playing with the sliders and settings. Id like to score some runs and give up some runs. it not realistic for every game win or lose to be a pitchers duel.

I'm going to try the following... Hitting on veteran pitching on all star with every thing the same as the perfect slider set except solid hits turned to three.
Any feedback would be wonderful I truly belive that weather I have player hitting 400 or continue to average 4 hits a game that I don't want to continue to be worried about settings and sliders, I know may other people have had this problem and it truly takes away from the great game that this is. Thank You

[PsychoBulk]

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Sorry to hear that, but in the nicest possible way, it is more your gaming skills that are hurting you rather than sliders.

I am having every sort of game possible in my franchise (with my own sliders obviously), i cant remember the last 1 run game i had lol, not for a while anyway. Im blowing people away, being blown away, and through 23 games am in the top 10 in runs (3rd in that 124 runs at 5.39 runs a game), doubles (3rd, 42 in 23 games) triples (1st, 7), Homers (10th, 22 in 23 games), OBP, SLG, SB, Walks (bang on 3 per game, 69 in 23 games), hits, you name it. I am not lying and i know you dont think i am but can give any screenshots you desire, i dont lie to try and big up my own work.

In summary, sliders can only do so much, a lot, most of the outcome in fact is down to user skill or lack thereof.

Good luck and i hope you find some solace in the end mate.

[HustlinOwl]

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Dude find a new game already, every week you post something like this. So why put yourself through it? Your skills are obviously not ideal for All-Star. I agree with Pyscho, Im getting a lot of variety in my games. Blew out the Cardinals in game one of our recent series 19-6. Im using the Reds and I am currently leading the league in HRs and RBIs while everything else is middle of the road. What's my record you ask 16-14 and about to finish a series vs the Cubs.

[Phoenixmgs]

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First thing, try using the power swing instead of the contact swing until go get 2 strikes.

Second thing, which many won't agree with here, is that the CPU tends to hit at your level meaning that if you're not hitting good the CPU will tend to not hit well either. I've seen this happen in 09 and 10 quite a lot. I'm in a stretch where I'm hitting great; however, my pitching sucks. Then, I get into a hitting slump and my pitching like clockwork comes around and I'm pitching good when I haven't changed anything (the way I pitch, the pitchers I have, the sliders, the settings, etc.).



This is my method for hitting:

First you need to scout your whole team, and by scout, I mean examine every player's hot and cold zones. Remember, if you are looking at them on their card, the hot zones are switched; the vs Righties zones are their zones against Lefties instead. The in-game H/C zones are correct. Look for a 4-quadrant zone where everything is hot. Ideally you want something like this:
XXO
XXO
OOO

You want to look for something in that zone until you get 2 strikes, and you'll want to use the power swing if you batter has decent power (like 15-20Hr power). You can use the contact swing instead so you can check but as you get better at pitch recognition, move up to the power swing. Don't swing at anything that's not in that zone before 2 strikes.

If someone has a zone like this:
OOO
OXX
OXO

You're going to want to look in this area:
OOO
OXX
OXX

You have to know you're players' strengths and weaknesses and swing at what they like, not what you like.

Using this method allows you to automatically work the count since you aren't swinging at anything that's not in the zone you are looking in.

You have to go up to the plate with a plan of attack. You just can't be swinging at everything that is a strike. Good pitchers throw strikes that are designed to get you out.

[BleacherCreature]

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Good day,

I believe I have surrendered. I purchased MLB 10 The Show the day it was released in my home town. Unlike almost everyone else I have yet to really enjoy this game. My problem like many others is that I have became overwhelmed by sliders and settings. I also belive that the "Perfect slider set" is very realistic but in many ways or at least the way I play the game is not. I have started and stopped four seasons since I purchased this game. I have made every attempt to play this game with All Star hitting and All Star pitching, using the perfect slider set. I find this realistic in the type of hits that are achieved. However there are almost no hits or runs period. Every game and I do mean every game is a 3-2 , 4-3. 4-1 score. When using these sliders exactly as described by Pchycobulk I have no success hitting what's so ever. every at bat seems to be a struggle to get the ball out of the infield let alone get a hit. The only success I have is to put the contact slider up one click and even then I might get four runs. As far as the computers hitting skills, they disappear. I started a offline season with the St.Lous cardinals and after playing 50 games I have never surrender more then four runs or 8 hits. I thought it might be the somewhat easy schedule the cards have in the early part of the season but after holding the Braves, Dodgers, and Phillies also to about two runs a game I find that this is no longer working for me. Every starting pitcher for the user or computer has a start like the following 6-8ip 4-6 hits zero to 3 walks and 6-9 ks
I have been told by several individuals that this game has been configured to play harder then the previous versions. Therefore if playing on versions that you have been playing on for years you will have much different results.
I have had the perception that hitting and pitching settings should be the same. And that playing on veteran is easy. However id almost rather have an easier play then have to fight and concentrate as if I'm studying for my masters.
I have just started a season with the Minnesota Twins. I'm looking for any feedback. I'm pretty much done playing with the sliders and settings. Id like to score some runs and give up some runs. it not realistic for every game win or lose to be a pitchers duel.

I'm going to try the following... Hitting on veteran pitching on all star with every thing the same as the perfect slider set except solid hits turned to three.
Any feedback would be wonderful I truly belive that weather I have player hitting 400 or continue to average 4 hits a game that I don't want to continue to be worried about settings and sliders, I know may other people have had this problem and it truly takes away from the great game that this is. Thank You

Bye

[dorismary]

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To OP,
This is why I play on VETERAN level while giving the cpu the advantage as the cpu AI is more forgiving and i get greater variances of games win or lose and nothing feels forced on that level .
Good luck

[ParisB]

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To OP,
This is why I play on VETERAN level while giving the cpu the advantage as the cpu AI is more forgiving and i get greater variances of games win or lose and nothing feels forced on that level .
Good luck

Dude, we know. You say the same thing over and over. We get it, you like Veteran.

All-Star provides the same (actually better IMO) experience, but for more skilled Users. Yea, if you can't hack at All-Star then by all means drop down to Veteran and enjoy it...but don't go around spreading false information that will scare people away.

[dorismary]

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Hi MBM,
For me Veteran Level can be as easy or as hard as you want without the extra AI boost on higher levels that frustate so many here so if you truly understand the game and what each slider actually does .
So please feel free to PM on any help you need as I base my findings on facts and stats not opinion.

IMHO many cant accept playing on Veteran level and continually try tweaking sliders for perfection when in fact the game can be very streaky just like real Ball.
But with the proper testing and understanding you can actually make Veteran more challenging and Realistic without the stronger CPU AI thats higher levels have and thats the key for me to enjoy this game .

But of course we all have different needs and skill levels in this game and with the unique Titus sliders im currently using Im just playing games and not constantly frustrated or tweaking , as this game does go full circle so if you love baseball hang in there Man because this years game is very workable !

[ParisB]

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Hi MBM,
For me Veteran Level can be as easy or as hard as you want without the extra AI boost on higher levels that frustate so many here so if you truly understand the game and what each slider actually does .
So please feel free to PM on any help you need as I base my findings on facts and stats not opinion.

IMHO many cant accept playing on Veteran level and continually try tweaking sliders for perfection when in fact the game can be very streaky just like real Ball.
But with the proper testing and understanding you can actually make Veteran more challenging and Realistic without the stronger CPU AI thats higher levels have and thats the key for me to enjoy this game .

But of course we all have different needs and skill levels in this game and with the unique Titus sliders im currently using Im just playing games and not constantly frustrated or tweaking , as this game does go full circle so if you love baseball hang in there Man because this years game is very workable !

Yea, that's why a lot of us find All-Star to be the best. But of course, it only happens once you know what you're doing with your user skill and sliders.

[PsychoBulk]

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On the money Paris.

[dorismary]

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Hi MBM ,
I sent you a excellent link Thread by Phoenix that explains everything perfectly with no guessing or opinions involved as we all play differently .
Enjoy

[ParisB]

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Hi MBM ,
I sent you a excellent link Thread by Phoenix that explains everything perfectly with no guessing or opinions involved as we all play differently .
Enjoy

he's wrong on several of his descriptions btw..explains them perfectly is a big overstatement

p.s.- nobody is guessing, only speaking about facts

I don't want anybody to spread false info...we're here to help

[Phoenixmgs]

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he's wrong on several of his descriptions btw..explains them perfectly is a big overstatement

p.s.- nobody is guessing, only speaking about facts

I don't want anybody to spread false info...we're here to help

Wow, I think you only disagree with me on like 2 sliders (probably user contact and one of the pitching sliders). And, we both have like the same amount of so-called "proof" on each of our claims. And, I didn't even recommend any slider tweaks to the TC because it seems like he's tried a lot of different sliders so I recommended to change his hitting approach and try using the power swing.

[ParisB]

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Wow, I think you only disagree with me on like 2 sliders (probably user contact and one of the pitching sliders). And, we both have like the same amount of so-called "proof" on each of our claims. And, I didn't even recommend any slider tweaks to the TC because it seems like he's tried a lot of different sliders so I recommended to change his hitting approach and try using the power swing.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk. Personally I agree with you with 99% of the things

(a) I don't think Contact is just a check swing slider. It plays a vital role in hitting and batting averages and quality of hits. I think the difference is that you play with Check Swing Appeals ON, while I have it off. It does affect the check swing appeals, but i feel that feature is too finicky and it ruins the other aspects of the slider. When you turn off the appeal, you can isolate it and see how it drastically affects the hitting for yourself and the CPU.

(b) I don't think Timing is the single most important in hitting, like you seem to. It's simply a "window". It doesn't directly affect your hits, but it makes it easier or harder depending on your personal timing. Think of it as Guitar Hero. Some people can nail the button at the precise moment to achieve a "perfect" result, but others need a slightly more forgiving window.

(c) Pitch speed does not affect the quality of hits or the physics based on the frames per second. It's simply a visual for the User. The quality of the hit is calculated instantaneously by the PS3 the moment you hit the button based on Timing, Contact, pitch type, batter/pitcher attributes etc. How everybody's TV's or monitors displays the picture on the various resolutions and quality of TV has no impact. Adjusting the TV settings or pitch speeds just changes the way the information is shown, not the way it's processed.

(d) Power is not the most important hitting slider.

(e) Solid Hits at Default does not mean everything is hit hard.

I think that's it

I didn't mean to call you out, you're a good contributing board member, I was just more annoyed at Dorismary spamming the boards with his Veteran propaganda and steering people in the wrong direction by giving them the false impression that All-Star is rigged and unplayable simply because his skill level is not up to par.

[Phoenixmgs]

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Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk. Personally I agree with you with 99% of the things

(a) I don't think Contact is just a check swing slider. It plays a vital role in hitting and batting averages and quality of hits. I think the difference is that you play with Check Swing Appeals ON, while I have it off. It does affect the check swing appeals, but i feel that feature is too finicky and it ruins the other aspects of the slider. When you turn off the appeal, you can isolate it and see how it drastically affects the hitting for yourself and the CPU.

(b) I don't think Timing is the single most important in hitting, like you seem to. It's simply a "window". It doesn't directly affect your hits, but it makes it easier or harder depending on your personal timing. Think of it as Guitar Hero. Some people can nail the button at the precise moment to achieve a "perfect" result, but others need a slightly more forgiving window.

(c) Pitch speed does not affect the quality of hits or the physics based on the frames per second. It's simply a visual for the User. The quality of the hit is calculated instantaneously by the PS3 the moment you hit the button based on Timing, Contact, pitch type, batter/pitcher attributes etc. How everybody's TV's or monitors displays the picture on the various resolutions and quality of TV has no impact. Adjusting the TV settings or pitch speeds just changes the way the information is shown, not the way it's processed.

(d) Power is not the most important hitting slider.

(e) Solid Hits at Default does not mean everything is hit hard.

I think that's it

I didn't mean to call you out, you're a good contributing board member, I was just more annoyed at Dorismary spamming the boards with his Veteran propaganda and steering people in the wrong direction by giving them the false impression that All-Star is rigged and unplayable simply because his skill level is not up to par.

First off, no hard feelings; however, you have some of my opinions wrong as I'll explain:

(a) I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not saying contact has no effect on user hitting (outside of check swings). I'm just saying if it does have an effect, it's just not very substantial. I'd rather set this slider to make check swing appeals realistic than to disable check swing appeals and use the slider for the purpose of affecting hitting as I feel it just doesn't do much.

(b) I think adjusting that "window" has the biggest affect on altering batting averages and hit totals; however, it's still not that big just because the sliders aren't that powerful in general.

(c) In my slider descriptions, I do not state that pitch speed will affect the quality of hits or physics or anything, it literally says "Raising it increases pitch speed, lowering it decreases pitch speed." The fact is with a slower pitch speed you DO have more frames to swing the bat from release to catcher's mitt, that is just a fact. Say it takes 2 seconds at default for the ball to get to the catcher's mitt from release and the game runs at 60fps (I'm not sure what the game's framerate is but it doesn't matter as this will be a constant anyways); therefore, you have 120 possible video frames to swing the bat (2 * 60). Say a pitch speed at 0 it takes 2.5 seconds from release to catcher's mitt, then you have 150 possible video frames to swing the bat (2.5 * 60). Now, no matter what the pitch speed is set to, maybe there is only 30 frames at which you can swing and make some kind of contact. However, it can be based off a % possibly, if it's based off a %, then you have more frames to hit the ball on a lower pitch speed; 10% of 120 is less than 10% of 150. I just know that I personally get more hit variety when I lower pitch speed a notch from default, and it can be just because my swing timing is just a bit different on the lower pitch speed.

Long story short, I do think changing the pitch speed can help people that are hitting fine but having issues hitting doubles since it should slightly alter the time that they swing the bat resulting in them hitting balls to zones they don't normally hit to.

(d) I think power is a pretty weak slider, especially in 10, last year it had more of an effect. Power slider just affects the distance a ball will carry, so it has little effect on batting average. I think the power ATTRIBUTE of the batter is the most important hitting ATTRIBUTE that determines if the batter will get a hit or not for USER hitting not CPU hitting. Even the guy who made the "become an MVP in 3 years in RTTS" thread says to put all of your points into power because that is the best way to improve all of your hitting stats (avg, hits, RBIs, HRs, etc.).

(e) Solid hits at default resulted everything being hit hard for me and the CPU when I first got the game. I am not the only person who has witnessed this, I've seen several people post about how everything is hit too hard, and the solution to their problem is to lower solid hits. I play on Legend, so it could that the hitting engine works a bit different on lower difficulties. Or, maybe, it has to deal with my left stick placement. I'm not sure but I know what I experienced. I still don't see solid hits altering any stats because to get a hit you usually have to hit the ball well, and having solid hits at 0 doesn't change how well solidly struck balls are hit. If you have solids hits high, you'll see more grounders get by infielders. And, if you have solid hits low, you'll see more bloopers fall in front of the OFs. Therefore, you'll see pretty much the same amount of hits.