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  • smokinjoe069
    Rookie
    • Feb 2007
    • 76

    #1

    hitting too well,any suggestions?

    i've been playing with a couple different sliders for a while now. i've come to the conclusion that i'm too good for veteran and not good enough for all-star.
    unfortunately, i only have a ps2 so i don't have the ability to hit and pitch on different levels. i have settled on playing on veteran, but hitting seems to be to easy for me. pitching i seem to do ok. after 52 games of my season using a popular veteran slider set, my team b.a. is .335. i've got 8 hot hitters(7 starters one bench player).
    what i was wondering was what slider should i adjust to make hitting harder for me. i've considered contact,timing and solid hits to be possibilities. i only strike out about 4 times a game. i also thought that adjusting the cpu pitching sliders would help, but i'm not sure where to put them.
    anyway, now that i've babbled on i would appreciate any input on the subject. thanks in advance oh, btw i was keeping everything at default now, but just want to adjust what might lower my b.a.
  • Phoenixmgs
    Banned
    • Feb 2009
    • 751

    #2
    Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

    The only slider that can lower hit totals is the timing slider. You can try upping pitch speed as well if you feel it may be too slow. If that doesn't work then go up to AS and raise the timing slider.

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    • smokinjoe069
      Rookie
      • Feb 2007
      • 76

      #3
      Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

      Originally posted by Phoenixmgs
      The only slider that can lower hit totals is the timing slider. You can try upping pitch speed as well if you feel it may be too slow. If that doesn't work then go up to AS and raise the timing slider.
      thanks,phoenix. after posting this i read your slider descriptions. very in-depth and appreciated. do you think i should drop it all the way down and work from there, or drop it down 1 notch at a time. just curious as to what you think.

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      • ParisB
        MVP
        • Jan 2010
        • 1699

        #4
        Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

        Actually, Timing is not the "only" slider

        That gives you a tougher margin of error on your swings (timing, hence the name), but it doesn't decrease your batter's attributes and plate coverage and overall batting ability.

        If your Contact is at Default or some higher value, even with poor Timing you will still be able to put good contact on the ball and get hits.

        Turn down your Contact to 2 to notice a difference in batting ability and overall averages and effectiveness. Also, if you turn down your Timing too much, your hits will start becoming either feast or famine because you will start to either swing with "perfect" Timing, or some sort of "bad" Timing.

        Contact lower is the better starting point. You're better off leaving the Timing at Default or lower it no more than 4 (just to make it a tad more difficult).

        Lower Contact gives more separation between the Pujols and Puntos of the league and makes the batters a bit more attribute driven.

        Timing more or less handicaps the User ability.

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        • Phoenixmgs
          Banned
          • Feb 2009
          • 751

          #5
          Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

          Originally posted by smokinjoe069
          thanks,phoenix. after posting this i read your slider descriptions. very in-depth and appreciated. do you think i should drop it all the way down and work from there, or drop it down 1 notch at a time. just curious as to what you think.
          At least move the slider 2 or 3 notches at a time. Pretty much all the sliders don't have that much of an effect, so you need to move them a lot then move them a notch here and there to do some refining.

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          • TripleThreat1973
            Pro
            • May 2007
            • 564

            #6
            Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

            Originally posted by ParisB
            Actually, Timing is not the "only" slider

            That gives you a tougher margin of error on your swings (timing, hence the name), but it doesn't decrease your batter's attributes and plate coverage and overall batting ability.

            If your Contact is at Default or some higher value, even with poor Timing you will still be able to put good contact on the ball and get hits.

            Turn down your Contact to 2 to notice a difference in batting ability and overall averages and effectiveness. Also, if you turn down your Timing too much, your hits will start becoming either feast or famine because you will start to either swing with "perfect" Timing, or some sort of "bad" Timing.

            Contact lower is the better starting point. You're better off leaving the Timing at Default or lower it no more than 4 (just to make it a tad more difficult).

            Lower Contact gives more separation between the Pujols and Puntos of the league and makes the batters a bit more attribute driven.

            Timing more or less handicaps the User ability.
            The biggest thing I noticed with low timing sliders is that even when you get "perfect timing" on a pitch on the inner 3rd, the result is always a foul ball. Likewise, any ball up in the zone is fouled off or popped up. I still got my hits, but they were all from left-center to right-center.

            Pitch speed is where I'd look first.
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            • Phoenixmgs
              Banned
              • Feb 2009
              • 751

              #7
              Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

              Originally posted by ParisB
              Also, if you turn down your Timing too much, your hits will start becoming either feast or famine because you will start to either swing with "perfect" Timing, or some sort of "bad" Timing.
              Originally posted by TripleThreat1973
              The biggest thing I noticed with low timing sliders is that even when you get "perfect timing" on a pitch on the inner 3rd, the result is always a foul ball. Likewise, any ball up in the zone is fouled off or popped up. I still got my hits, but they were all from left-center to right-center.
              (1) I'm not going to get into the contact/timing argument again, we all believe what we think is correct. (2) I have not noticed any of these observations mentioned and I play with timing at 0 on Legend difficulty. My RTTS player (right handed batter) is hitting .400 in his 2nd year in AAA and my sweet zone against RHPs is here:
              OOO
              XXO
              XXO

              and my sweet zone against LHPs is here:
              XXX
              XXX
              OOO

              So, I get large percentage of hits off Righties on inside pitches, and I get a lot of hits off Lefties on pitches up in the zone.




              Originally posted by ParisB
              Timing more or less handicaps the User ability.
              Isn't that what the TC wants, and most people want when they say hitting is too easy or too hard? They want their hitting ability to be adjusted w/o having to go up or down a level, not slightly decrease/increase the batters' attributes and PCI (which has still yet to be proven if contact lowers that and if it does lower that, lowers that in any significant way). The TC has 7 starters and 1 bench player hot. Until those guys cool down no slider changes are really going to take effect because it's so easy to hit with hitters that are hot, you barely even have to try to get a hit and you'll get a hit. He could zero out all the hitting sliders, and he won't really notice a difference until they cool down.

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              • dorismary
                Banned
                • Jan 2009
                • 3794

                #8
                Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

                Originally posted by TripleThreat1973
                The biggest thing I noticed with low timing sliders is that even when you get "perfect timing" on a pitch on the inner 3rd, the result is always a foul ball. Likewise, any ball up in the zone is fouled off or popped up. I still got my hits, but they were all from left-center to right-center.

                Pitch speed is where I'd look first.
                Gotta agree with you on this , Pitch speed is the best first option without disturbing your other sliders.
                Timing as you said is exactly what I experienced , go to far and the cpu couldnt hit a HR even on meatball pitches everything when far and foul down the lines .
                Last edited by dorismary; 06-02-2010, 02:24 PM.

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                • TripleThreat1973
                  Pro
                  • May 2007
                  • 564

                  #9
                  Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

                  Originally posted by Phoenixmgs
                  So, I get large percentage of hits off Righties on inside pitches, and I get a lot of hits off Lefties on pitches up in the zone.
                  Do you use the left stick/PCI?

                  I don't, that could also be a difference. There are a lot of variables that go into everything, so when I make a comment I would hope that everyone reads it as "me speaking from my perspective and experience", and not me speaking as the authority on the matter.

                  Regardless of what everyone uses, you eventually get used to and stop noticing the differences. As your skill improves, there are usually things like pitch speed, etc that can easily be adjusted for varying user ability levels.
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                  • Phoenixmgs
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 751

                    #10
                    Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

                    Originally posted by TripleThreat1973
                    Do you use the left stick/PCI?

                    I don't, that could also be a difference. There are a lot of variables that go into everything, so when I make a comment I would hope that everyone reads it as "me speaking from my perspective and experience", and not me speaking as the authority on the matter.

                    Regardless of what everyone uses, you eventually get used to and stop noticing the differences. As your skill improves, there are usually things like pitch speed, etc that can easily be adjusted for varying user ability levels.
                    I use the left stick all the time, I actually have the hardest time hitting pitches down the middle because I WANT to move the left stick. I think it should be assumed that the person uses the left stick unless they are playing on rookie because if you are playing on Vet or higher and just skim through the manual or in-game tutorial/game tips, why wouldn't you use the left stick?

                    This is not directed squarely at you. I just don't get why so many people choose to not use the left stick. I really don't understand why you would only want to time the pitch. To me, the challenge of hitting in a baseball game comes down to first locating the pitch properly then being able to time it well since proper bat location (stick placement) is harder than the timing aspect of hitting. It just seems like baseball games from the SNES era and before could only replicate hitting from the top-down view where timing was the only thing needed. Now baseball games have 3D graphics. Why would you want the gameplay of hitting to stay in the 2D era that ended over 15 years ago? Did the majority of people NOT play the High Heat series because that series was much less forgiving with proper stick placement than The Show? If you could hit at High Heat's medium/normal difficulty (forgot the names of HH's difficulty levels), you can at least hit on HoF in The Show.
                    Last edited by Phoenixmgs; 06-02-2010, 03:50 PM.

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                    • Scrapps
                      Pro
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 825

                      #11
                      Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

                      when you hit, but on a blindfold.

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                      • smokinjoe069
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 76

                        #12
                        Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

                        thanks again for all the input and info. i tried all-star default. hitting seemed more realistic to me, but i get crushed on the mound. veteran pitching is just right for me. too bad i only have a ps2. too many family responsibilities and bills to upgrade right now. i played 10 games adjusting different sliders. i ended up leaving timing and contact alone and adjusted pitch speed to max. i'm no longer pulling 97 mph fast balls foul. and the contact that i do make seems to be weaker more often. i know it's only ten games,but it feels better for me. so, once again thanks for the info.

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                        • Phoenixmgs
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 751

                          #13
                          Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

                          Originally posted by smokinjoe069
                          thanks again for all the input and info. i tried all-star default. hitting seemed more realistic to me, but i get crushed on the mound. veteran pitching is just right for me. too bad i only have a ps2. too many family responsibilities and bills to upgrade right now. i played 10 games adjusting different sliders. i ended up leaving timing and contact alone and adjusted pitch speed to max. i'm no longer pulling 97 mph fast balls foul. and the contact that i do make seems to be weaker more often. i know it's only ten games,but it feels better for me. so, once again thanks for the info.
                          Does the PS2 version not let you bat on All-Star and pitch on Veteran?

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                          • smokinjoe069
                            Rookie
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 76

                            #14
                            Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

                            Originally posted by Phoenixmgs
                            Does the PS2 version not let you bat on All-Star and pitch on Veteran?
                            no it doesn't unfortunately. all the options are just the same as 09's,although the gameplay out of the box is much better. so i don't want to complain. just one option for difficulty.

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                            • pberardi
                              Pro
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 964

                              #15
                              Re: hitting too well,any suggestions?

                              Originally posted by smokinjoe069
                              i've been playing with a couple different sliders for a while now. i've come to the conclusion that i'm too good for veteran and not good enough for all-star.
                              unfortunately, i only have a ps2 so i don't have the ability to hit and pitch on different levels. i have settled on playing on veteran, but hitting seems to be to easy for me. pitching i seem to do ok. after 52 games of my season using a popular veteran slider set, my team b.a. is .335. i've got 8 hot hitters(7 starters one bench player).
                              what i was wondering was what slider should i adjust to make hitting harder for me. i've considered contact,timing and solid hits to be possibilities. i only strike out about 4 times a game. i also thought that adjusting the cpu pitching sliders would help, but i'm not sure where to put them.
                              anyway, now that i've babbled on i would appreciate any input on the subject. thanks in advance oh, btw i was keeping everything at default now, but just want to adjust what might lower my b.a.

                              Go up to Allstar. Enough with the veteran. You'll never break that point of "too good for Vet, not good enough for Allstar" unless you commit.

                              Lower the cpu control and consistency to read pitches better at first and see if you can feel comfortable at the plate.

                              Try playing with sliders at default (user hitting) and see what needs tweaking. I find the more I raise cpu control, the more I must raise user solid hits to get extra base hits but my hit totals aren't necessarily affected. It's a ratio thing. Do I want 8 singles or 5 singles, two doubles and one HR which of course still requires user skill, timing, what pitches I swing at (changeups that hang or fastballs low) for example.

                              I find any slider isolated rarely gives me the results I want.

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