CPU vs CPU

[steviegolfballs]

Re: CPU vs CPU

Something for all you testers to consider.....In our latest round of testing we paid attention to stadium size as a factor in HR's and XBH allowed. Through 28 games (seven in each stadium) we are noticing a significant trend toward HR's. We are currently testing games in Yankee Stadium, Comerica Park, Turner Field and Petco in San Diego. Of course teams and players have much effect on these totals but they are producing exactly what you would expect:

NY - 7 games, 21 HR's (Yankees v. Red Sox)
DET - 7 games, 13 HR's (Tigers v. Twins)
ATL - 7 games, 11 HR's (Braves v. Giants)
SD - 7 games, 9 HR's (Padres v. Dodgers)

A small sample to be sure but certainly what you would expect from the three "pitchers parks".

After 10 games in each park we will be changing to four different parks and all new teams to continue our slider test but we found this interesting and wanted to share with the group.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Yep these stats are using the Power at 4, SH at 5, PC at 1 sliders I posted a couple of days ago.

The WP are troubling me. When watching a game and men get on base I'm almost waiting for the WP. There's been at least two walk off wild pitches so far. Takes away from the realism somewhat. I was thinking of upping every catcher to 100 blocking just to see how much difference that would make.

If you get a sec, I'm itching for an update Dai.

[nomo17k]

Re: CPU vs CPU

Something for all you testers to consider.....In our latest round of testing we paid attention to stadium size as a factor in HR's and XBH allowed. Through 28 games (seven in each stadium) we are noticing a significant trend toward HR's. We are currently testing games in Yankee Stadium, Comerica Park, Turner Field and Petco in San Diego. Of course teams and players have much effect on these totals but they are producing exactly what you would expect:

NY - 7 games, 21 HR's (Yankees v. Red Sox)
DET - 7 games, 13 HR's (Tigers v. Twins)
ATL - 7 games, 11 HR's (Braves v. Giants)
SD - 7 games, 9 HR's (Padres v. Dodgers)

A small sample to be sure but certainly what you would expect from the three "pitchers parks".

After 10 games in each park we will be changing to four different parks and all new teams to continue our slider test but we found this interesting and wanted to share with the group.

I think you have wind set to zero, so presumably that doesn't affect results.

When wind is zero, does it totally turn down its effect, or just a little bit? With towering deep fly balls, do they still get deflected a lot, or there is absolutely no effect?

I forgot to turn off mine, so doing all my experiments with wind at default, but it's pretty clear the wind effect is very, very strong at default. In windy city (Chicago), it's quite amazing how they hit so many HRs.

[steviegolfballs]

Re: CPU vs CPU

I think you have wind set to zero, so presumably that doesn't affect results.

When wind is zero, does it totally turn down its effect, or just a little bit? With towering deep fly balls, do they still get deflected a lot, or there is absolutely no effect?

I forgot to turn off mine, so doing all my experiments with wind at default, but it's pretty clear the wind effect is very, very strong at default. In windy city (Chicago), it's quite amazing how they hit so many HRs.

All our testing is done with wind set at 0 (no wind)

[Cimmarov]

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Ok I am done testing sliders for myself. I have come up with a set that I am really happy with. Again these give me a warm fuzzy feeling but they may not for you. All I can say is try them see if you like them. I will post them up in the vault tomorrow under Cimmarov final cpu v cpu. If anyone would like some help testing let me know I would be glad to help.

This set I tested for 65 games. The numbers are so close at this point I do not think I can adjust any one slider without breaking something else at the same time. I had a nice variety of games. From blow outs to pitching duel. Watched some nice comebacks and 2 walk off HR's. Pitchers that are supposed to be good are but also have tough outings. Pitchers 3,4 and 5 are going to be .500 and below for you. Power hitters are dangerous as they should be. BA hitters do there job get on base.

Here are the stats. My averages and MLB 2010 in () This is not an average of years as some guys are using this is the 2010 averages.

AB 33.4 (34)
Runs 4 (4.4)
Hits 8.15 (8.8)
2B 1.65 (1.75)
3B .22 (.19)
HR's .95 (.95)
SB .65 (.60)
CS .15 (.23)
BB 2.85 (3.25)
SO 7.25 (7.1)
E .48 (.63)

Hits and runs are a touch low as is walks. I do not think I can get walks up the .4 without totally breaking pitching. Same thing with hits and runs. If these numbers came up that little bit hitting was way over powering. Here are the sliders I used. If its not here it is set at default.

Power: 4
Timing: 6 (up 1 from my last set)
Foul Freq: 4
Solid Hits: 3 (up 1 from my last set)
Starter Stam: 6
Pitcher Control: 6 (down 1 from my last set)
Pitcher Consistency: 8
Strike Freq: 3
Manager Hook: 7
Pitch Speed: 10
Fielder Errors: 4
Trowing Errors: 3
Fielder Run: 2
Fielder Arm: 4
Base Run Speed:4
Base Run Ability: 4
Steel Freq: 6
Wind: 1

I have to say. In the years past I just waited for the best slider set to come out. This was the first time I tested sliders. It was a blast testing and I will continue doing so. Well at least till OS rosters are out and the season starts.

Cimm

[DaiYoung]

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If you get a sec, I'm itching for an update Dai.

55 games into the trial now, heroesandvillains:

AB 34.04 (34.02)
R 4.35 (4.38)
H 8.70 (8.76)

BB 3.20 (3.25)
SO 6.95 (7.06)

2B 1.62 (1.75)
3B 0.19 (0.18)
HR 1.08 (0.95)

E 0.49 (0.62) Fielding Errors 21 Throwing Errors 33
SB 0.65 (0.61)
CS 0.21 (0.23)

WP 0.77 (0.34)
HBP 0.18 (0.32)

Fairly good results. Clearly the fielding error slider is going to have to go up by 2 or 3 ticks, judging by other peoples testing that isn't a very sensitive slider.

I'm waiting to see whether anyone uncovers a way (other than reducing Pitcher Consistency) of increasing walks without effecting hitting numbers before deciding on where to go next. Having said that, I'm reluctant to start messing around with too many sliders - that way madness lies. My aim is to keep as many at default as I possibly can.

One thing that will definitely be part of my next test is raising every catcher to 100 blocking, just to see the effect on WP.

[DaiYoung]

Re: CPU vs CPU

I think you have wind set to zero, so presumably that doesn't affect results.

When wind is zero, does it totally turn down its effect, or just a little bit? With towering deep fly balls, do they still get deflected a lot, or there is absolutely no effect?

I forgot to turn off mine, so doing all my experiments with wind at default, but it's pretty clear the wind effect is very, very strong at default. In windy city (Chicago), it's quite amazing how they hit so many HRs.

Wind at zero cuts out the wind completely Nomo. If you mess around with the wind slider whilst you are in the middle of a game you can see the effect it has. For example if the wind is 20mph with the wind slider at default, when you move the wind slider down two notches it will become a 12mph wind.

[nomo17k]

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55 games into the trial now, heroesandvillains:

AB 34.04 (34.02)
R 4.35 (4.38)
H 8.70 (8.76)

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Awfully close. But these are still with lowering pitcher consistency, correct?

[DaiYoung]

Re: CPU vs CPU

Awfully close. But these are still with lowering pitcher consistency, correct?

Yes. PC at 1.

[nomo17k]

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Yeah, in your case you just want to keep BB. The only improvement you want is to replace PC with something else. All I can think of is strike frequency (at 2 or 3), but unfortunately I cannot be sure what other effect that will have. My feeling is the offense gets inflated to some degree, as pitchers will be pitching from behind more. How much more I don't know...

I agree keeping sliders at default as much as possible is a good approach. The game plays great out of the box, all we need is minor adjustments, and with all the sliders affecting each other in slight but noticeable ways, shouldn't try to vary so many things at once...

[nomo17k]

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By the way, has anyone noticed how the strike zone expanded this year, especially toward low? The umps keep calling strike those low pitches that were sure balls in the past. SCEA probably did that to make more low breaking balls called strikes, but that might be causing us to see less balls thrown, hence less walks...

[steviegolfballs]

Re: CPU vs CPU

Here are some promising results through 12 games using my latest sliders. I still may need to tick errors and steals up one notch but so far so good! Testing continues! Game 13 is underway!

runs 4.45 (4.38)
earned runs 4.29 (4.03) if errors is bumped up one this should get closer
hits 8.72 (8.76)
errors .46 ( .62) will be bumping up one in field errors
walks 3.13 (3.25) YES!!!
K's 7.04 (7.06)
2B 1.58 (1.75)
3B .25 ( .18)
HR 1.00 ( .95)
SB .46 ( .61)
CS .08 (.23)
WP .83 ( .34) I'm afraid this might need a catcher edit
HBP .08 ( .32)
DP per game .71 ( .75)
pitches/PA 3.97 (3.82)

It's looking like I need to go up one on fielding errors and stolen base frequency, other than that things are promising. Only 12 games tested but so far so good! I will repost when I get to 20 games.

[steviegolfballs]

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Anyone notice the jackie Robinson tribute? On the second Friday of April all players are wearing #42. I noticed while watching Miguel Cabrera bat and thought I was going dyslexic! WHEW!

Kudos to The Show for the cool little details!

[Joey Sauce]

Re: CPU vs CPU

Here are some promising results through 12 games using my latest sliders. I still may need to tick errors and steals up one notch but so far so good! Testing continues! Game 13 is underway!

runs 4.45 (4.38)
earned runs 4.29 (4.03) if errors is bumped up one this should get closer
hits 8.72 (8.76)
errors .46 ( .62) will be bumping up one in field errors
walks 3.13 (3.25) YES!!!
K's 7.04 (7.06)
2B 1.58 (1.75)
3B .25 ( .18)
HR 1.00 ( .95)
SB .46 ( .61)
CS .08 (.23)
WP .83 ( .34) I'm afraid this might need a catcher edit
HBP .08 ( .32)
DP per game .71 ( .75)
pitches/PA 3.97 (3.82)

It's looking like I need to go up one on fielding errors and stolen base frequency, other than that things are promising. Only 12 games tested but so far so good! I will repost when I get to 20 games.

awesome work dude - especially with the Double plays...what sliders r u using, i would like to do some testing along with u, these def look promising

[steviegolfballs]

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awesome work dude - especially with the Double plays...what sliders r u using, i would like to do some testing along with u, these def look promising

On the road right now, will be home this evening to continue the testing and will post the sliders then. I think I have them in my head but don't want to put out wrong information.