Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion

[Heroesandvillains]

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I thought my hitting would struggle (sub-par hitter here, admitting his woes LOL) but I put up 8 runs (5 on Wainwright)...

Are you using my hitting sliders, or do you have your own thing going?

Geronimo, by the way, what are you hitting with and what difficulty are you on?

Oh, I just finished up game one and it was great. CC Sabathia pitched a gem ( 7 innings, 7 H, 2 R, 3 BB, 7 K) but my offense was non-existent against Justin Verlander.

Tigers win 3-1.

I only threw 55% strikes, but otherwise, it felt nice. I can't wait to see your guy's progress. I've gotta say...so far, so good!

[Geronimo22]

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Are you using my hitting sliders, or do you have your own thing going?

Geronimo, by the way, what are you hitting with and what difficulty are you on?

Oh, I just finished up game one and it was great. CC Sabathia pitched a gem ( 7 innings, 7 H, 2 R, 3 BB, 7 K) but my offense was non-existent against Justin Verlander.

Tigers win 3-1.

I only threw 55% strikes, but otherwise, it felt nice. I can't wait to see your guy's progress. I've gotta say...so far, so good!

I am batting. I'm using the exact settings you are using. Which means HOF. I'm doing very well with the bat. But even though my team has bad pitchers, I think I may be doing something wrong because Im not getting any type of control. What guidelines are you using for when to release the button? I just gave a big run total in my last game which is going to throw off my stats, unless I pitch some shutouts pretty soon.

[Heroesandvillains]

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I am batting. I'm using the exact settings you are using. Which means HOF. I'm doing very well with the bat. But even though my team has bad pitchers, I think I may be doing something wrong because Im not getting any type of control. What guidelines are you using for when to release the button? I just gave a big run total in my last game which is going to throw off my stats, unless I pitch some shutouts pretty soon.

Again, I only threw 55% strikes last game, so I'm no real control artist yet. But, here are a few tips:

1. Go with your more confident pitches more often than your unconfident ones. Think of how the CPU pitches you. Is the change up's meter filled up? If yes, they abuse you with it, right? On HOF, I can't succeed throwing 5 or 6 consecutive pitch types the way the CPU does to me, but I will show a highly confident pitch often. Pitches with low confidence seem to almost always be balls. I'll use those mainly just to set up hitters.

2. If none of your pitches are confident, you either need to go to the bullpen, or focus on building at least two of them up. Use warm up pitches whenever you can.

3. I rarely go beyond vibration. The CPU seems to almost always put these balls in play...which is fine for quick outs, so keep this in mind....but I have a hard enough time getting K's on HOF.

4. Classic pitching is too wild to aim every pitch on the black. Try grabbing more of the plate; having faith in your pitcher's ratings guiding the ball to the corners.

[Geronimo22]

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Again, I only threw 55% strikes last game, so I'm no real control artist yet. But, here are a few tips:

1. Go with your more confident pitches more often than your unconfident ones. Think of how the CPU pitches you. Is the change up's meter filled up? If yes, they abuse you with it, right? On HOF, I can't succeed throwing 5 or 6 consecutive pitch types the way the CPU does to me, but I will show a highly confident pitch often. Pitches with low confidence seem to almost always be balls. I'll use those mainly just to set up hitters.

2. If none of your pitches are confident, you either need to go to the bullpen, or focus on building at least two of them up. Use warm up pitches whenever you can.

3. I rarely go beyond vibration. The CPU seems to almost always put these balls in play...which is fine for quick outs, so keep this in mind....but I have a hard enough time getting K's on HOF.

4. Classic pitching is too wild to aim every pitch on the black. Try grabbing more of the plate; having faith in your pitcher's ratings guiding the ball to the corners.

Good stuff... I am averaging 60% strikes in 4 games, which is right below the MLB average of 62% But I especially agree with trying to aim pitches on the black and the confidence level. Thanks, I'm going to get 10 games with the lonely Royals, then switch over to the Rockies.

Okay I have 2 questions and 1 observation.

BTW, I could never get my controller to vibrate, even if I go to the max release. Are my controllers broken? Or is there a setting I have turned off?
Allso what pitching view are you using. I usually use a pitching or broadcast cam. But I'm using the same one I bat with. That shouldn't make a difference right?

I have observed throwing errors when it comes to the pitcher. I won't jump off the bridge on that slider yet, but I have had 3 over throws in 4 games, making a pick off move to 1st base. And I don't use the deceptive move. I use the slow one, just to hold the guy. You have to hold those runners , because they are going to run if you don't with base steal frequency at 8. Its just an observation, as I know my pitchers aren't the best. But it sucks because they all have happened when my games were still close, and boom now there is runner at 3rd... LOL But I'll keep tracking that specific stat in my games.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Good stuff... I am averaging 60% strikes in 4 games, which is right below the MLB average of 62% But I especially agree with trying to aim pitches on the black and the confidence level. Thanks, I'm going to get 10 games with the lonely Royals, then switch over to the Rockies.

BTW, I could never get my controller to vibrate, even if I go to the max release. Are my controllers broken? Or is there a setting I have turned off?

Hey, also what pitching view are you using. I usually use a pitching or broadcast cam. But I'm using the same one I bat with. That shouldn't make a difference right?

I pitch from the same cam I hit with too. Wide offset.

You need a dualshock controller for vibration. My guess is that you are using a six-axis one. This is not good for classic pitching.

If you don't have the extra dough to go by one, I'll tell you this much:

Generally, the controller will vibrate (windup) a good amount before the peak leg lift. It's more like right around when the the front leg starts to move after the back leg gets planted. I also like to hold X for like a half a second on maybe 35% or more of my pitches (light effort). Mix up your X holds, but generally try to release it in the first third of the pitcher's animation.

I'll tap it, hold it half a second, hold it a full second, etc. A second and a half is probably closer to max effort...which I do use, maybe once or twice an inning. More often with relievers.

From the stretch, vibration seems to happen closer to the peak leg lift.

[Geronimo22]

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Thanks hero. I'll try to get a new controller this week sometime. But I'll try to work with your instructions on timing above in the meantime. Damn I hope I didn't mess up the study by having the wrong controller.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Thanks hero. I'll try to get a new controller this week sometime. But I'll try to work with your instructions on timing above in the meantime. Damn I hope I didn't mess up the study by having the wrong controller.

The only way it'll get messed up is if you consistently hold X too long.

Last year, the rumor was that the top of the leg lift (windup) was 'normal effort' and stepping towards home (stretch) was the same.

This year, the vibration (max effort) happens a bit earlier than the peak leg lift. Remember that, and change speeds (how long you hold X) and you'll be fine.

Have you pitched any gems yet...even if just with your starter?

[ILiveForThis]

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Heroes, I'm using the same sliders as you but Zone, not timing.
As for my pitching, I was dominate with Latos into the 6th (only gave up 2 hits) but then all hell broke loose and a 6-0 game turned into a 6-5 game. Rather fast, too.
Should get tons of games done tonight, and probably have my first update

[Geronimo22]

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The only way it'll get messed up is if you consistently hold X too long.

Last year, the rumor was that the top of the leg lift (windup) was 'normal effort' and stepping towards home (stretch) was the same.

This year, the vibration (max effort) happens a bit earlier than the peak leg lift. Remember that, and change speeds (how long you hold X) and you'll be fine.

Have you pitched any gems yet...even if just with your starter?

Thanks for the tip... So when I do get the new controller, I shouldn't let the controller vibrated (max effort), unless that's what im looking for on the pitch. Max effort = equals most speed but less control, correct?

But as for now - I wish I would have asked you sooner, because I did pitch 6 innings of scoreless ball with my best pitcher (Jeff Francis). And it was because I throwing more strikes under your instructions of how to release. I also went to the pitchers view... I just feel like I make better decisions of what type of pitch I want from there. I don't know why! lol

Well I'm only 5 games in and I'm going to end up restarting my data. I feel that I'll get more measurable numbers with me basically not maxing out all of my pitchers effort every pitch... That's basically what I was doing in the past. Glad I caught it now.

BTW, question for you guys. Do you think it matters if I start from the begging of the season or 1 month in? why did you guys choose not to that again?

[Heroesandvillains]

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Thanks for the tip... So when I do get the new controller, I shouldn't let the controller vibrated (max effort), unless that's what im looking for on the pitch. Max effort = equals most speed but less control, correct?

But as for now - I wish I would have asked you sooner, because I did pitch 6 innings of scoreless ball with my best pitcher (Jeff Francis). And it was because I throwing more strikes under your instructions of how to release. I also went to the pitchers view... I just feel like I make better decisions of what type of pitch I want from there. I don't know why! lol

Well I'm only 5 games in and I'm going to end up restarting my data. I feel that I'll get more measurable numbers with me basically not maxing out all of my pitchers effort every pitch... That's basically what I was doing in the past. Glad I caught it now.

BTW, question for you guys. Do you think it matters if I start from the begging of the season or 1 month in? why did you guys choose not to that again?

I'm starting from the beginning because I'm honestly hoping that my stats will be close enough for me not to have to reset. Obviously, if we do major tweaking, than I'll restart. But, for now, this is my 'real' franchise.

Some guys like to go into the vibration more so than I do. Some classic players on OS completely ignore it all together, and follow last year's tips...maxing out every pitch.

'Vibration' means max effort. I follow this rule. Though, honestly, I have to wonder whether or not this is the case. Either way, to be safe, I play it how SCEA designed it.

Also, don't hesitate messing around, or maxing a few out from time to time. Like, once a game, I'll hold the pitch down WAY longer than vibration...just to see what happens. But, generally, I view how long I hold down in accordance with the yellow pitch break arrows. A gentle tap/hold is closer to the ball marker/first yellow arrow, and a long hold (vibration) is the LAST arrow (Obviously, the longer you hold, the less accurate the pitch should be).

[ILiveForThis]

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Updates on the way..
Gotta say, I feel like I'm dominating but the stats say different..

[Heroesandvillains]

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Updates on the way..
Gotta say, I feel like I'm dominating but the stats say different..

Have you been beat up at all?

[ILiveForThis]

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Ohhhhhh yeah. I give runs in bunches, that's not an issue. I feel like I'm pounding the strike zone, but the stats (stike %) say waaaaay different.

[Geronimo22]

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After restarting with the Royals, I have played 5 games (1-4). Lots of ups and downs so far. We gave up 16 runs one game but come back 3 days later and throw a shut out. Anyway it's early, but these numbers seem pretty dead on for a bad and inconsistent staff... (Blue line are the MLB averages)

Total Pitching




Starters

[Heroesandvillains]

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Make it stop!!!

LOL! Sorry guys. It's too wild.

It's a shame. There are moments of greatness. But, SCEA's unwillingness to actually explain this interface (let alone provide us a tutorial video) is frustrating to say the least.

Do you guys aim the ballmarker trying to grab a lot of the plate? Is it even possible to pitch to a corner?