i'm thinking that....

[quack attack]

I'm thinking that it's impossible to get the right amount of pitches (balls/strikes) so my thought is, if you cant get the right amount then maybe just drop the starters stamina slider down to 3 and reliever stamina slider down to 2, and raise the manager hook to 6, then at least the pitchers seem to get taken out of the game at the (for the most part) appropriate time, seems in the majors now a days that most starters only go 5 to 7 innings, and thats what the sliders should accomplish, anyone doing this, or anyway to make it better?

[nomo17k]

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I think the best and most obvious way to adjust strike/ball ratio is adjusting Pitcher Consistency and Strike Frequency. The rest is up to the hitter, the player... I'd go that route before messing with too many other stuff.

[Vechi8]

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I think the best and most obvious way to adjust strike/ball ratio is adjusting Pitcher Consistency and Strike Frequency. The rest is up to the hitter, the player... I'd go that route before messing with too many other stuff.

Isn't strike frequency just for the 1st pitch? If so, doesn't really help the ball to strike ratio. I get the consistency slider and the effect but what about the control slider. Won't that have a huge effect on balls and strikes? I never got why they have 2 sliders with consistency and control.. they mean the same imo.

[bcruise]

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Isn't strike frequency just for the 1st pitch? If so, doesn't really help the ball to strike ratio. I get the consistency slider and the effect but what about the control slider. Won't that have a huge effect on balls and strikes? I never got why they have 2 sliders with consistency and control.. they mean the seam imo.

It says it affects strikes in early counts, and not just the first pitch. Theoretically if you lowered it, you would have more at-bats start out 2-0 if you could keep from chasing. I'm not sure it's been proven how much more often the CPU pitcher falls behind, though.

[nomo17k]

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It says it affects strikes in early counts, and not just the first pitch. Theoretically if you lowered it, you would have more at-bats start out 2-0 if you could keep from chasing. I'm not sure it's been proven how much more often the CPU pitcher falls behind, though.

I think the statement in bold is correct (and basically what the in-game description says).

I actually tracked early-count strike-ball ratio last year, and the Strike Frequency slider does significantly affect the ratio in early counts. So if you want your pitchers to super-nibble so that you start off with 2-0 more often, that's the slider for you.

I don't really like that approach of adjusting the ratio, since pitchers do want to go for strikes if they can. They just cannot do so very consistently because they often lack command. To reflect that, my choice has been adjusting Pitcher Consistency.

[nomo17k]

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Isn't strike frequency just for the 1st pitch? If so, doesn't really help the ball to strike ratio. I get the consistency slider and the effect but what about the control slider. Won't that have a huge effect on balls and strikes? I never got why they have 2 sliders with consistency and control.. they mean the seam imo.

The way I (try to) understand the difference between Pitcher Control and Consistency is "somewhat" like the figure attached. Basically, Control is accuracy and Consistency is precision in the figure.

Of course I'm guessing from in-game descriptions and what the sliders do on the stats though... so don't quote me on this.

[Vechi8]

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The way I (try to) understand the difference between Pitcher Control and Consistency is "somewhat" like the figure attached. Basically, Control is accuracy and Consistency is precision in the figure.

Of course I'm guessing from in-game descriptions and what the sliders do on the stats though... so don't quote me on this.

That would make sense on your analysis. Thank you for your response. I am going to play with them my maxing out 1 and dropping the other to 0 and post results.

[Vechi8]

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I think the statement in bold is correct (and basically what the in-game description says).

I actually tracked early-count strike-ball ratio last year, and the Strike Frequency slider does significantly affect the ratio in early counts. So if you want your pitchers to super-nibble so that you start off with 2-0 more often, that's the slider for you.

I don't really like that approach of adjusting the ratio, since pitchers do want to go for strikes if they can. They just cannot do so very consistently because they often lack command. To reflect that, my choice has been adjusting Pitcher Consistency.

I am a statistic freak and really buy into Sabermetrics so I follow the overall patterns of trends. You are dead right about first pitches in that they do not nibble on the first two pitches thrown in the major leauge. The stat that I read was the probability of a fastball on the first pitch was 80 percent plus and the first pitch strike was 59 percent plus. So, in real play there is no nibbling.
Second amazing point was that if a pitcher throws a first pitch strike, the batting average goes from .260 vs .281 against him if he throws a ball. Their analysis was that if a 1st pitch strike was thrown for a whole season with all major league teams, there would be 12,000 less runs. Seems high but who knows?? Sorry for the long wind but consistent 2-0 counts is not realistic

[MikeyBoy02NY02]

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I am very patient at the plate and have the opposing pitcher usually throw 10-30 pitches per inning. The key is to lower pitch consistancy and strike frequency to 3 or 4 then just be very patient at the plate. I draw 3-4 walks per game on a daily basis

[nomo17k]

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The stat that I read was the probability of a fastball on the first pitch was 80 percent plus and the first pitch strike was 69 percent plus.

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I think the first pitch strike % is much lower, about 59%:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...st=0&players=0

[nomo17k]

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I'm just quoting this post because I obviously simplified too much the differences between those sliders related to strike-ball ratio:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2039315535

It's quite interesting how the sliders (Pitcher Control/Consistency, Strike Frequency) may be intertwined.

[Vechi8]

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I think the first pitch strike % is much lower, about 59%:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...st=0&players=0

Yeah, sorry for the inaccurate info, I didn't have the book (the prospectus I think i read it) in front of me. I will add that it may have been from 2010 as well. I haven't read this year The prospectus yet

[Vechi8]

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OK, I think that I have it. The control slider is essentially the pitcher's tendencies for throwing fat pitches or meatballs to the plate. I would assume that if you throw a deuce aimed in the middle of the plate, it may affect the break of the pitch and potentially throw a hanger.
Consistency is the pitcher simply misses his mark and can become wild.

I did notice in a test with the control slider at 0, I had a man at third with 1 out and Ryan Zimmerman up and the pitcher came right at me with 3 very hittable fastballs. Last year's The Show, the tendency would be to pitch around him

[TonyMoraco]

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I always tweak these sliders in all the Show games I've had:

Manager Hook at 6

Starter Stamina leave it at 5(Human and CPU) - it gives your starting pitcher about 90 to 95 pitches before running out of energy (If the pitcher has a Higher Stamina rate it will give you more)

Reliver Stamina at 2(Human and CPU) - Relivers usually throw about 30 to 35 pitches tops before being drained...I don't like seeing the setup man throwing 3 innings.

CPU Control and Consistency at 4 - CPU are always too precise way too often.

CPU Strike Frequency at 1 - even at this setting the CPU will still throw PLENTY of strikes one after another one.

It works pretty good.