JoeRyan33 HOF Sliders

[JoeRyan33]

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I think some of the numbers on base runner speeds I was reading were just wrong. I was looking at some videos, Jose Reyes swipes second in about 3 seconds flat. I'm going to increase base running speed.

I even noticed the CPU hits its first wall ball in a long time on default power after I upped the base runner speed. Seems like too big a coincidence.

[blackrob43d]

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What did you up baserunning to?

[ravellron]

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i begin using baserunner at 1 for a while, it seems perfect.. for this i find perfect power at 5 now.
power is at 4 for cpu and they throw ball in the wall still..

[JoeRyan33]

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What did you up baserunning to?

Still testing with that and the steal ability. I want the speeds to be spot on for each.

One thing's for sure, base running speed does influence the ball carrying to the outfield. I had never seen a ball get over an outfielder's head on default power until I moved the base running speed from 0 to 2.

I'll throw up a new set when I get done testing.

[ravellron]

im waiting for you.

[JoeRyan33]

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im waiting for you.

OK, here's what I've changed. These are subject to change further with more testing. What I have noticed is that changing the base runner speed impacts the ball trajectory and ability to get one over the outfielders.

So all the same, except:

Base running speed: 4
Steal Ability: 8
Power (CPU/HUM): 5

[ravellron]

Did you clock baserunning? At 4 match real times???

[BlingBling19]

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With steal ability at 8 does that make it nearly impossible to throw runners out?

[JoeRyan33]

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With steal ability at 8 does that make it nearly impossible to throw runners out?

No. But like I said, I'm testing at this now to see what the times are. As I get the times right, I will likely need to drop the base steal ability down. I want to base everything off realistic times in every situation.

I think base runner speed might be upped. I just ran my first clock on my created Jim Edmonds (I'm making players from 2000), an average to above average runner who got down the line on a ground out in 4.4 seconds from contact to foot hitting the bag. That would rate as below average by the scouting measurement.

Below is the scouting guide on times from contact to foot hitting first (8-2 is 80-20 on the scouting grade):

Home To First (Right Side)

8: 4.0 seconds
7: 4.1 seconds
6: 4.2 seconds
5: 4.3 seconds
4: 4.4 seconds
3: 4.5 seconds
2: 4.6 seconds

Home To First (Left Side)

8: 3.9 seconds
7: 4.0 seconds
6: 4.1 seconds
5: 4.2 seconds
4: 4.3 seconds
3: 4.4 seconds
2: 4.5 seconds

Edit: I had Jim Edmonds rated 56 in speed, 43 in base running, both might be on the low side (4.4 seconds to first).

[JoeRyan33]

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Just clocked my 1985 Rickey Henderson at 4.1 to 1B, definitely not fast enough. He should definitely be sub 4.

I'm going to try 5 and test speeds at that for a while.

[BlingBling19]

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With the increase in base running speed will arm strength get a boost as well?

Also I am noticing bunches of double plays. Now I am using timing hitting so that very well could be culprit. Would it be better if I switched to zone?

[Bobhead]

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With the increase in base running speed will arm strength get a boost as well?

Also I am noticing bunches of double plays. Now I am using timing hitting so that very well could be culprit. Would it be better if I switched to zone?

There's a problem with The Show producing way too many double plays, especially for CPU-controlled batters. That part is a fact, and is not the fault of his sliders. Now, in my observations/opinion, Zone hitting seems to avoid the problem fairly well, since you are moving the PCI yourself, and aren't getting on top of the ball.

When you use Timing hitting, the mechanics behind where your PCI is located, are extremely similar to the mechanics behind the PCI of a CPU-controlled hitter, so you are going to hit into just as many double plays as the CPU would.

[JoeRyan33]

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With the increase in base running speed will arm strength get a boost as well?

Also I am noticing bunches of double plays. Now I am using timing hitting so that very well could be culprit. Would it be better if I switched to zone?

I would go with what Bobhead said on double plays. They're going to happen. I actually get a lot of pop ups and fly outs rather than double plays, just because of my own natural tendency (as in real life lol) to get under the pitch. You're using the pure analog+zone (both sticks)?

Arm speeds I'll have to clock some more since some sliders do affect others. The last time I checked, before making the changes on base running speed, etc, they weren't too slow.

Right now I'm trying out power at 4 and things look good. Like I do with everything, I clock times. The ball was getting back to the wall in a bit over 4 seconds at 4 power, which is right in life with real times I recorded in the Cubs - Phillies game last week. The outfielders probably get an extra step to run things down, but on 0 speed there's no problem of them getting balls they shouldn't.

[ravellron]

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I would go with what Bobhead said on double plays. They're going to happen. I actually get a lot of pop ups and fly outs rather than double plays, just because of my own natural tendency (as in real life lol) to get under the pitch. You're using the pure analog+zone (both sticks)?

Arm speeds I'll have to clock some more since some sliders do affect others. The last time I checked, before making the changes on base running speed, etc, they weren't too slow.

Right now I'm trying out power at 4 and things look good. Like I do with everything, I clock times. The ball was getting back to the wall in a bit over 4 seconds at 4 power, which is right in life with real times I recorded in the Cubs - Phillies game last week. The outfielders probably get an extra step to run things down, but on 0 speed there's no problem of them getting balls they shouldn't.

are you talking about power both cpu and hum? or only cpu? cuz with power at 4 for human you will get homers rarely.
so do you think baserunning 5 is right?
about arm strenght i though that 2 is well balanced for 3 maximum 4 baserunning slider, i dunno if with baserunning at 5 it will be enough.

[JoeRyan33]

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are you talking about power both cpu and hum? or only cpu? cuz with power at 4 for human you will get homers rarely.
so do you think baserunning 5 is right?
about arm strenght i though that 2 is well balanced for 3 maximum 4 baserunning slider, i dunno if with baserunning at 5 it will be enough.

I just don't want to have a power advantage over the CPU. If I don't see any power numbers, I'll up it to default. The power has been lowered to 4 since with the increase in base running speed, the ball travels further. It seems odd, but that's what happens. I now see balls get back to the outfield at times of just over 4 seconds, which is right in line with the real life average.

Base running speeds are closest to real life at 6. I've clocked the times, and they come out right at that, eg Bret Gardner timed at 3.6 on a drag bunt. I have a list of times here I could post.

Throwing at 2, like I said will need to be clocked to see if things have changed (since some sliders affect others). But I still throw runners out and make the plays I feel I should make. I don't see it having to increase, but I will test times against real life to confirm.