Reliever Stamina vs Starter Stamina

[Bobhead]

How are the two differentiated? If the pitcher is a starting pitcher in a reliever role, which slider would apply? I've tried to test, but can't really figure it out, since the meter is extremely ambiguous, and no numerical stamina reading is available.

To clarify what I'm asking, here's an example:

After an extra-innings game, my starters are all exhausted and my rotation needs an extra day off, so I call up a few relievers who are inexplicably in my farm system: Rafael Soriano, Heath Bell, and Francisco Rodriguez.

Soriano starts the game, and pitches 2 innings. I then bring out K-Rod, who pitches 3 innings. Heath Bell pitches another 2, then I again bring out the pitcher who is currently assigned to my long reliever role: Josh Beckett. He finishes the game. I win the game 4-2, and K-Rod is credited with the Win. Josh Beckett gets a save.

Which pitchers were affected by the Starter Stamina Slider? Which pitchers were affected by the Reliever Stamina Slider?

[JG1986]

Re: Reliever Stamina vs Starter Stamina

How are the two differentiated? If the pitcher is a starting pitcher in a reliever role, which slider would apply? I've tried to test, but can't really figure it out, since the meter is extremely ambiguous, and no numerical stamina reading is available.

To clarify what I'm asking, here's an example:

After an extra-innings game, my starters are all exhausted and my rotation needs an extra day off, so I call up a few relievers who are inexplicably in my farm system: Rafael Soriano, Heath Bell, and Francisco Rodriguez.

Soriano starts the game, and pitches 2 innings. I then bring out K-Rod, who pitches 3 innings. Heath Bell pitches another 2, then I again bring out the pitcher who is currently assigned to my long reliever role: Josh Beckett. He finishes the game. I win the game 4-2, and K-Rod is credited with the Win. Josh Beckett gets a save.

Which pitchers were affected by the Starter Stamina Slider? Which pitchers were affected by the Reliever Stamina Slider?

I would think, and this is just a guess, that the game cannot differentiate between starter's pitching in reliever's spot and vice versa. I'm venturing to say that a starter, no matter where he is placed in the game, has his starter stamina and a reliever, no matter where is is placed in the game, is treated as a reliever. If I start Tim Byrdak for the Mets, he better not be able to go 6 innings as he is more of a left handed specialist.

Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is starters should have their stamina ratings/sliders always applied no matter where or when they are placed in the game and relievers, no matter where they are put in the game, should always have their ratings and reliever stamina sliders applied. That makes sense to me.

[nomo17k]

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I was wondering about this as well. Don't have a definite answer unless the devs chime in or we test ourselves.

My guess, though, is Starter Stamina affects whoever starts the game, and Reliever Stamina does on whoever comes in as relief. Both the sliders actually work the same way (I tested this part).

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043503173

They are both sliders to adjust exactly how many pitches they can throw before tiring, and the amount that they adjust is exactly the same for given pitcher's stamina attribute rating.

The reason why there are separate sliders for starters and relievers (I think) is that they are actually meant to adjust how often and how long those pitchers need to get rested.

But I think if you need a definite answer, better ask a dev... or test yourself.

[Bobhead]

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How would I go about asking a dev? I don't have Russell's Twitter handy

[nomo17k]

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Well I don't PM the devs either so don't know... ask those who do so naturally!

[Majingir]

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The thing I don't get about this slider is why there's 2 sliders present when relievers stamina's are 10-30 while starters are 70-90. There should be just 1 slider for stamina and that's it.

[nomo17k]

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The thing I don't get about this slider is why there's 2 sliders present when relievers stamina's are 10-30 while starters are 70-90. There should be just 1 slider for stamina and that's it.

You can set both sliders to the same value... that way they mean exactly the same thing.

My guess for having two separate sliders is in my post above... it gives us a way to control how much we need to rest between their appearances.

I'm actually not a fan of seeing such a drastic difference in stamina between starters and relievers. That basically prevents us from converting relievers into starters easily...

After being converted from a closer to a starter, Neftali Feliz isn't out of energy by 4th inning, is he? Not realistic.

[Bobhead]

Re: Reliever Stamina vs Starter Stamina

You can set both sliders to the same value... that way they mean exactly the same thing.

My guess for having two separate sliders is in my post above... it gives us a way to control how much we need to rest between their appearances.

I'm actually not a fan of seeing such a drastic difference in stamina between starters and relievers. That basically prevents us from converting relievers into starters easily...

After being converted from a closer to a starter, Neftali Feliz isn't out of energy by 4th inning, is he? Not realistic.

I agree, but what stamina system could possibly incorporate both relievers and starters with a similar stamina scale?

[nomo17k]

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I agree, but what stamina system could possibly incorporate both relievers and starters with a similar stamina scale?

I haven't really given too deep a thought on this, but perhaps there should be two kinds of stamina/durability... One for short-term and another for longer-term.

The shorter-term can be used to rate how fast a pitcher would tire in the game, like the current system. The longer-term one would dictate how susceptible the pitcher would be for things like injury, if he were to be used too often.

I feel the current system tries to do both at once, at the expense of simulating a reliever who can pitch as a starter perfectly fine.

According to Brian@SCEA the pitcher stamina is a big factor in how effective the pitcher remains (< 25% and he'd lose effectiveness pretty quickly) during a game. The problem is that if we allow relievers to have decent stamina (so that they can occasionally start), then their stamina won't be a factor in their effectiveness, since they'd always be pitching with decent amount of stamina left. So under the current system, the game must assign much lower stamina ratings to relievers, so they can lose effectiveness due to exhaustion.

I can see there isn't a very clear cut solution, but there are always pros and cons in any system.

[JG1986]

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Rather than trying to mess with sliders, can you edit a player's position from a reliever to a starter, and thus he would be susceptible to the starter slider? I have never edited a player before so I'm not sure how to do it, or what the implications are. For instance, Feliz was made into a starter so can you go into an edit player screen and change his position from a reliever to a starter and maybe bump up his stamina rating? I don't follow the Rangers so I don't know how long Feliz can last in a game but there are plenty of starters you can compare him to (stamina wise). Just give him the same stamina as a similar starter. I don't think this would be too involved being that this situation doesn't happen TOO often. Don't really know if it would work, it was just on my mind.

[ate55]

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My guess would be that if the guy starts the game he uses the starter slider, if anyone comes in after they use the reliever slider. Makes sense to me!

[JoeRyan33]

Re: Reliever Stamina vs Starter Stamina

You can set both sliders to the same value... that way they mean exactly the same thing.

My guess for having two separate sliders is in my post above... it gives us a way to control how much we need to rest between their appearances.

I'm actually not a fan of seeing such a drastic difference in stamina between starters and relievers. That basically prevents us from converting relievers into starters easily...

After being converted from a closer to a starter, Neftali Feliz isn't out of energy by 4th inning, is he? Not realistic.

It would be great if there was the ability to "stretch a pitcher out" for converting from reliever to starter, and vice versa with starters who go to the pen. Also, seeing a difference in their stuff would be wonderful, those going to the pen usually see an improvement in that department while relievers tend to see theirs diminish a bit in starting roles.