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  • WaitTilNextYear
    Go Cubs Go
    • Mar 2013
    • 16830

    #181
    Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

    Originally posted by Bunselpower32
    I didn't say he doesn't deserve more than an 82. Arrieta had a good era last year, but he was inconsistent at times. He was completely at the mercy of his stuff, with several really good games. But his bad games were bad. He was a thrower. This year he is a pitcher, and has limited the damage of the bad games when his stuff isn't there. So maybe an 87 or so based on these 1+ years.

    You don't care where I sent this from.
    No, you said he hasn't even had 1 full good year, when he's pretty close to 2 Cy Young caliber ones. I was just correcting that misconception, which is pretty common among non-Cubs fans, that he's been a flash in the pan this year only. Actually, Jake's having an historically great year this year. Among the best of the live ball era. And last year, he was very, very good. Not a thrower either. He's been sequencing pitches well since he got with the Cubs staff and Chris Bosio. If you've seen Arrieta pitch this year (and last year, really), there really aren't games when his stuff isn't there. Again, I couldn't care less about the rating. OVR is useless anyway.
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    • romeosdistress
      Rookie
      • Aug 2010
      • 312

      #182
      Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

      Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
      No, you said he hasn't even had 1 full good year, when he's pretty close to 2 Cy Young caliber ones. I was just correcting that misconception, which is pretty common among non-Cubs fans, that he's been a flash in the pan this year only. Actually, Jake's having an historically great year this year. Among the best of the live ball era. And last year, he was very, very good. Not a thrower either. He's been sequencing pitches well since he got with the Cubs staff and Chris Bosio. If you've seen Arrieta pitch this year (and last year, really), there really aren't games when his stuff isn't there. Again, I couldn't care less about the rating. OVR is useless anyway.
      maybe a boost to his two seam fastball. and his stamina seems low. im playing the games in which he pitches. and it says hes getting tired at about 75-80 pitches. ive seen him regularly get well over 100 in alot of his starts.

      im still enjoying the rosters. did a sim for the hell of it, cubs ended up 83-70 to this date, thats pretty spot on.

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      • Bunselpower32
        Pro
        • Jul 2012
        • 947

        #183
        Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

        All I'm saying is that he only recently found his stuff, as in last year. He has had less than one elite year (should have been exact there), and I am just not ready to give him a rating that rivals established aces and elite pitchers. An incredibly sharp rise around the prime of a career should always come with caution. My bigger beef was with the first guy and the way he flipped the bird to willard. I kind of knee jerked there because I am a student of the game and I don't appreciate it when I perceive I get called out as some sort of blind cardinals fan that doesn't know anything about baseball.

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        • WaitTilNextYear
          Go Cubs Go
          • Mar 2013
          • 16830

          #184
          Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

          Originally posted by romeosdistress
          maybe a boost to his two seam fastball. and his stamina seems low. im playing the games in which he pitches. and it says hes getting tired at about 75-80 pitches. ive seen him regularly get well over 100 in alot of his starts.

          im still enjoying the rosters. did a sim for the hell of it, cubs ended up 83-70 to this date, thats pretty spot on.
          I don't want my speaking truths about Jake Arrieta to be misconstrued. I am not advocating for changing his rating and would suggest, as I do to critics of my own roster (which this thread is not about), to simply edit it the way you want it. There's no sense in lobbying someone to change something that you can very well, easily, change on your own.

          I never really got that. Do people feel guilty about 'cheating' if they edit attributes themselves and so they need reinforcement from the "roster guys" to legitimize it? I can understand lobbying SCEA because their stock rosters are all people have for modes like DD, but with custom rosters...???

          Originally posted by Bunselpower32
          All I'm saying is that he only recently found his stuff, as in last year. He has had less than one elite year (should have been exact there), and I am just not ready to give him a rating that rivals established aces and elite pitchers. An incredibly sharp rise around the prime of a career should always come with caution. My bigger beef was with the first guy and the way he flipped the bird to willard. I kind of knee jerked there because I am a student of the game and I don't appreciate it when I perceive I get called out as some sort of blind cardinals fan that doesn't know anything about baseball.

          You don't care where I sent this from.
          I really do care where you sent that from, though.

          For anyone who doesn't give Jake Arrieta his proper due (whether perceived or actual) I say this: come at me!
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          • Bunselpower32
            Pro
            • Jul 2012
            • 947

            #185
            Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

            Yeah, I don't get it either. Yadier Molina has had a more down to earth offensive year this year, so I bumped down his contact a bit and his power some as well. But his vision stays the same because he doesn't strike out. It was super easy, and mirrors his real life offense well. I also bump Piscotty just a smidgen to get him to more mlb ready levels (nothing wrong with it if he were a prospect still, but he advanced a lot over the off season). Easy. And I don't feel like I cheated anything. I just like the rosters because of the realism. Honestly, I probably wouldn't play without them because this game isn't exactly their best effort otherwise.

            And I'm not taking anything away from the real Jake Arrieta lol. He's a real life person having a phenomenal year. I'm just trying to get people like the first guy (not you, your a roster guy, you get it) to understand that one great year does not an elite pitcher make. You need sustained success.

            You don't care where I sent this from.
            "The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws."

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            • Willard76
              MVP
              • Mar 2012
              • 2841

              #186
              Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

              When it came to upgrading hitters I found a pretty simple system that worked, but with pitchers it was a little more difficult because so many variables.

              I won't be releasing any new versions of the roster with upgrades or updates - but I can say when I simmed my season to my franchise start point Arrieta was where he should be, sorry I don't remember numbers off hand - the Cubs are currently battling with the Pirates and Giants for the NL Wild Card and Cardinals are in 1st place.

              I agree with Waittilnextyear in the fact that overalls don't mean a whole lot, and please feel free to change ratings as you feel fit - I know I adjusted a few players on my personal roster just because I did not feel 100% comfortable with their rating - although nothing I do can seem to get the saves and closer numbers right.

              Overall I am glad to see guys enjoying both this roster and the Realism roster as they come from the same system with some subtle and a few big differences

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              • romeosdistress
                Rookie
                • Aug 2010
                • 312

                #187
                Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                Originally posted by Willard76
                When it came to upgrading hitters I found a pretty simple system that worked, but with pitchers it was a little more difficult because so many variables.

                I won't be releasing any new versions of the roster with upgrades or updates - but I can say when I simmed my season to my franchise start point Arrieta was where he should be, sorry I don't remember numbers off hand - the Cubs are currently battling with the Pirates and Giants for the NL Wild Card and Cardinals are in 1st place.

                I agree with Waittilnextyear in the fact that overalls don't mean a whole lot, and please feel free to change ratings as you feel fit - I know I adjusted a few players on my personal roster just because I did not feel 100% comfortable with their rating - although nothing I do can seem to get the saves and closer numbers right.

                Overall I am glad to see guys enjoying both this roster and the Realism roster as they come from the same system with some subtle and a few big differences

                Willard
                i was in no way complaining or anything like that, just making conversation. arrieta has been great since joining the cubs. hes pitched 65 games and is 34-13 2.33/0.962. i dont agree that this has came out of nowhere. i was just asking for others opinions on what to adjust. the roster is great, i got the same results while simming for the kick of it. very well done. i was in no way being negative toward your roster at all. i just assumed a roster would come out with arrieta on par with the big boys. but as you said when you sim it his numbers are on par with last years numbers almost exactly.

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                • redsox4evur
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 18169

                  #188
                  Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                  Originally posted by Bunselpower32
                  I didn't say he doesn't deserve more than an 82. Arrieta had a good era last year, but he was inconsistent at times. He was completely at the mercy of his stuff, with several really good games. But his bad games were bad. He was a thrower. This year he is a pitcher, and has limited the damage of the bad games when his stuff isn't there. So maybe an 87 or so based on these 1+ years.

                  You don't care where I sent this from.
                  Ya kinda did. You said "arrieta has been better than kershaw for sure. arrieta is a 82 vs kershaw a 99, hes def not that much better than arrieta if at all." And Kershaw deserves that 99 rating he has.
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                  • Bunselpower32
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 947

                    #189
                    Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                    Originally posted by redsox4evur
                    Ya kinda did. You said "arrieta has been better than kershaw for sure. arrieta is a 82 vs kershaw a 99, hes def not that much better than arrieta if at all." And Kershaw deserves that 99 rating he has.
                    This needs to die, so I won't talk about the pitchers. But if you use quotation marks, make sure the person actually said those words.

                    You don't care where I sent this from.
                    "The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws."

                    - Rick Wise

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                    • redsox4evur
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 18169

                      #190
                      Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                      Originally posted by Bunselpower32
                      This needs to die, so I won't talk about the pitchers. But if you use quotation marks, make sure the person actually said those words.

                      You don't care where I sent this from.
                      My bad, I thought that was you...didn't look at the other person's name. Just thought it was you.
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                      • Bunselpower32
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 947

                        #191
                        Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                        Originally posted by redsox4evur
                        My bad, I thought that was you...didn't look at the other person's name. Just thought it was you.
                        Lol I figured. I read it and decided it kind of supported me, and I got confused. Then I searched for when I said that, and got more confused. So congratulations, you have confused me. I think.

                        You don't care where I sent this from.
                        "The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws."

                        - Rick Wise

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                        • Willard76
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 2841

                          #192
                          Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                          Originally posted by romeosdistress
                          i was in no way complaining or anything like that, just making conversation. arrieta has been great since joining the cubs. hes pitched 65 games and is 34-13 2.33/0.962. i dont agree that this has came out of nowhere. i was just asking for others opinions on what to adjust. the roster is great, i got the same results while simming for the kick of it. very well done. i was in no way being negative toward your roster at all. i just assumed a roster would come out with arrieta on par with the big boys. but as you said when you sim it his numbers are on par with last years numbers almost exactly.

                          I didn't take it as a negative at all - I am partly to blame because I assumed everyone following this roster had followed my past ones and knew my stance as well as most others on the whole "Overall" thing. Especially with pitchers I find the overall number really is a misconception, because of certain weights which I don't even know will bring a pitcher up dramatically. You also have to remember hitting attributes also weigh into overall where a guy like Kershaw gets a boost from that. The only time I really look at overalls was to make sure players fell into where they belong and then make sure sim stats played out close.

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                          • romeosdistress
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 312

                            #193
                            Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                            Originally posted by Willard76
                            I didn't take it as a negative at all - I am partly to blame because I assumed everyone following this roster had followed my past ones and knew my stance as well as most others on the whole "Overall" thing. Especially with pitchers I find the overall number really is a misconception, because of certain weights which I don't even know will bring a pitcher up dramatically. You also have to remember hitting attributes also weigh into overall where a guy like Kershaw gets a boost from that. The only time I really look at overalls was to make sure players fell into where they belong and then make sure sim stats played out close.
                            yeah im not a big fan of overalls either shouldnt have even brought it up, my only beef was his stamina. he was getting tired at like 75-80 pitches so i bumped it up 5. ill test it out next time. but everything is going good. thanks again for this sick roster.

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                            • rjackson
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 1661

                              #194
                              Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                              Is it just that one pitcher getting tired? I'd think you should raise the stamina slider to 6 instead.

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                              • romeosdistress
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 312

                                #195
                                Re: 2015 OSFM Hybrid Revison V1 (Deadline Edition)

                                Originally posted by rjackson
                                Is it just that one pitcher getting tired? I'd think you should raise the stamina slider to 6 instead.
                                good question, hes the only pitcher i use other than bullpen.

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