No, you said he hasn't even had 1 full good year, when he's pretty close to 2 Cy Young caliber ones. I was just correcting that misconception, which is pretty common among non-Cubs fans, that he's been a flash in the pan this year only. Actually, Jake's having an historically great year this year. Among the best of the live ball era. And last year, he was very, very good. Not a thrower either. He's been sequencing pitches well since he got with the Cubs staff and Chris Bosio. If you've seen Arrieta pitch this year (and last year, really), there really aren't games when his stuff isn't there. Again, I couldn't care less about the rating. OVR is useless anyway.
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No, you said he hasn't even had 1 full good year, when he's pretty close to 2 Cy Young caliber ones. I was just correcting that misconception, which is pretty common among non-Cubs fans, that he's been a flash in the pan this year only. Actually, Jake's having an historically great year this year. Among the best of the live ball era. And last year, he was very, very good. Not a thrower either. He's been sequencing pitches well since he got with the Cubs staff and Chris Bosio. If you've seen Arrieta pitch this year (and last year, really), there really aren't games when his stuff isn't there. Again, I couldn't care less about the rating. OVR is useless anyway.Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan Wolverines -
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No, you said he hasn't even had 1 full good year, when he's pretty close to 2 Cy Young caliber ones. I was just correcting that misconception, which is pretty common among non-Cubs fans, that he's been a flash in the pan this year only. Actually, Jake's having an historically great year this year. Among the best of the live ball era. And last year, he was very, very good. Not a thrower either. He's been sequencing pitches well since he got with the Cubs staff and Chris Bosio. If you've seen Arrieta pitch this year (and last year, really), there really aren't games when his stuff isn't there. Again, I couldn't care less about the rating. OVR is useless anyway.
im still enjoying the rosters. did a sim for the hell of it, cubs ended up 83-70 to this date, thats pretty spot on.Comment
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All I'm saying is that he only recently found his stuff, as in last year. He has had less than one elite year (should have been exact there), and I am just not ready to give him a rating that rivals established aces and elite pitchers. An incredibly sharp rise around the prime of a career should always come with caution. My bigger beef was with the first guy and the way he flipped the bird to willard. I kind of knee jerked there because I am a student of the game and I don't appreciate it when I perceive I get called out as some sort of blind cardinals fan that doesn't know anything about baseball.
You don't care where I sent this from."The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws."
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maybe a boost to his two seam fastball. and his stamina seems low. im playing the games in which he pitches. and it says hes getting tired at about 75-80 pitches. ive seen him regularly get well over 100 in alot of his starts.
im still enjoying the rosters. did a sim for the hell of it, cubs ended up 83-70 to this date, thats pretty spot on.
I never really got that. Do people feel guilty about 'cheating' if they edit attributes themselves and so they need reinforcement from the "roster guys" to legitimize it? I can understand lobbying SCEA because their stock rosters are all people have for modes like DD, but with custom rosters...???
All I'm saying is that he only recently found his stuff, as in last year. He has had less than one elite year (should have been exact there), and I am just not ready to give him a rating that rivals established aces and elite pitchers. An incredibly sharp rise around the prime of a career should always come with caution. My bigger beef was with the first guy and the way he flipped the bird to willard. I kind of knee jerked there because I am a student of the game and I don't appreciate it when I perceive I get called out as some sort of blind cardinals fan that doesn't know anything about baseball.
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For anyone who doesn't give Jake Arrieta his proper due (whether perceived or actual) I say this: come at me!Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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Yeah, I don't get it either. Yadier Molina has had a more down to earth offensive year this year, so I bumped down his contact a bit and his power some as well. But his vision stays the same because he doesn't strike out. It was super easy, and mirrors his real life offense well. I also bump Piscotty just a smidgen to get him to more mlb ready levels (nothing wrong with it if he were a prospect still, but he advanced a lot over the off season). Easy. And I don't feel like I cheated anything. I just like the rosters because of the realism. Honestly, I probably wouldn't play without them because this game isn't exactly their best effort otherwise.
And I'm not taking anything away from the real Jake Arrieta lol. He's a real life person having a phenomenal year. I'm just trying to get people like the first guy (not you, your a roster guy, you get it) to understand that one great year does not an elite pitcher make. You need sustained success.
You don't care where I sent this from."The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws."
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When it came to upgrading hitters I found a pretty simple system that worked, but with pitchers it was a little more difficult because so many variables.
I won't be releasing any new versions of the roster with upgrades or updates - but I can say when I simmed my season to my franchise start point Arrieta was where he should be, sorry I don't remember numbers off hand - the Cubs are currently battling with the Pirates and Giants for the NL Wild Card and Cardinals are in 1st place.
I agree with Waittilnextyear in the fact that overalls don't mean a whole lot, and please feel free to change ratings as you feel fit - I know I adjusted a few players on my personal roster just because I did not feel 100% comfortable with their rating - although nothing I do can seem to get the saves and closer numbers right.
Overall I am glad to see guys enjoying both this roster and the Realism roster as they come from the same system with some subtle and a few big differences
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When it came to upgrading hitters I found a pretty simple system that worked, but with pitchers it was a little more difficult because so many variables.
I won't be releasing any new versions of the roster with upgrades or updates - but I can say when I simmed my season to my franchise start point Arrieta was where he should be, sorry I don't remember numbers off hand - the Cubs are currently battling with the Pirates and Giants for the NL Wild Card and Cardinals are in 1st place.
I agree with Waittilnextyear in the fact that overalls don't mean a whole lot, and please feel free to change ratings as you feel fit - I know I adjusted a few players on my personal roster just because I did not feel 100% comfortable with their rating - although nothing I do can seem to get the saves and closer numbers right.
Overall I am glad to see guys enjoying both this roster and the Realism roster as they come from the same system with some subtle and a few big differences
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I didn't say he doesn't deserve more than an 82. Arrieta had a good era last year, but he was inconsistent at times. He was completely at the mercy of his stuff, with several really good games. But his bad games were bad. He was a thrower. This year he is a pitcher, and has limited the damage of the bad games when his stuff isn't there. So maybe an 87 or so based on these 1+ years.
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You don't care where I sent this from."The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws."
- Rick WiseComment
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My bad, I thought that was you...didn't look at the other person's name. Just thought it was you.Comment
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You don't care where I sent this from."The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws."
- Rick WiseComment
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i was in no way complaining or anything like that, just making conversation. arrieta has been great since joining the cubs. hes pitched 65 games and is 34-13 2.33/0.962. i dont agree that this has came out of nowhere. i was just asking for others opinions on what to adjust. the roster is great, i got the same results while simming for the kick of it. very well done. i was in no way being negative toward your roster at all. i just assumed a roster would come out with arrieta on par with the big boys. but as you said when you sim it his numbers are on par with last years numbers almost exactly.
I didn't take it as a negative at all - I am partly to blame because I assumed everyone following this roster had followed my past ones and knew my stance as well as most others on the whole "Overall" thing. Especially with pitchers I find the overall number really is a misconception, because of certain weights which I don't even know will bring a pitcher up dramatically. You also have to remember hitting attributes also weigh into overall where a guy like Kershaw gets a boost from that. The only time I really look at overalls was to make sure players fell into where they belong and then make sure sim stats played out close.
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I didn't take it as a negative at all - I am partly to blame because I assumed everyone following this roster had followed my past ones and knew my stance as well as most others on the whole "Overall" thing. Especially with pitchers I find the overall number really is a misconception, because of certain weights which I don't even know will bring a pitcher up dramatically. You also have to remember hitting attributes also weigh into overall where a guy like Kershaw gets a boost from that. The only time I really look at overalls was to make sure players fell into where they belong and then make sure sim stats played out close.Comment
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