25-man vs. 40-man?

[TheBigTee]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Somewhat true, but you are off on the details.

CPU teams choose their best 25 out of the 40 (due to all 40 being in MLB for Spring Training). They will set a lineup and rotation themselves. around this.

For any user controlled teams: as long as you set your 25 man roster before Spring Training ends (meaning you send guys manually to AAA/AA) the CPU won't touch your MLB roster (including lineups and rotation).

The drawback of a 25 man roster is thst the CPU will not call anyone up from the Minors unless there is an injury. As soon as the CPU does this, it affects the CPU lineup anyway.

The only real way around this is 30 team user control. I personally don't use it (I love living in 'my own world' while playing my franchise, and keeping it separate from what happens in real life), but some want to keep everything close to what is happening in the real MLB. 30 team user control is the answer for them.

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This! I am also a 40 man roster user. I would prefer to let the computer set their own lineups and rotations how they see fit based on the ratings of their team. I don't care if it is exactly accurate because I feel it is an "alternate universe" type of league once I start my franchise.

[EmbraceThePace]

25-man vs. 40-man?

Couldn't you get the best of both worlds by starting with a 25-man roster, simming Spring Training, then manually adding players to fill out each team's 40-man? I haven't tried it yet, but theoretically, it seems as if that would keep Opening Day rosters and lineups accurate, but still give you an accurate 40-man throughout the season.

You would only have to do this once, then save a master file and use it as a base whenever you start a new franchise. It would only work for 30-team control users though.

Let me know if anyone has tried this.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Couldn't you get the best of both worlds by starting with a 25-man roster, simming Spring Training, then manually adding players to fill out each team's 40-man? I haven't tried it yet, but theoretically, it seems as if that would keep Opening Day rosters and lineups accurate, but still give you an accurate 40-man throughout the season.

You would only have to do this once, then save a master file and use it as a base whenever you start a new franchise. It would only work for 30-team control users though.

Let me know if anyone has tried this.

This is exactly how you do it

[JHedges2]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Can you not play w/ all 40 in ST?

I want to be able to use a lot of prospects in spring training--and then move them accordingly once the season starts.

What do I need to do to set this up? I am amazed at how complex 'roster structuring' is in baseball--my goodness.

[Brandwin]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Can you not play w/ all 40 in ST?

I want to be able to use a lot of prospects in spring training--and then move them accordingly once the season starts.

What do I need to do to set this up? I am amazed at how complex 'roster structuring' is in baseball--my goodness.

No. You can. You're good to go if you want to do that.

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[JHedges2]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

No. You can. You're good to go if you want to do that.

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Good deal. So I'm thinking to set this up correctly to do the following:

30 team control
OSFM V2.5 25 man roster
"CPU" (auto) profile for every team but mine
Go ahead and put 40 on my team (before even starting Fran mode).
Use all 40 throughout ST
Move the excess 15 to respective minor league levels prior to season starting

This way when I begin season, all lineups SHOULD be reasonably accurate.

Anything I'm missing here...?

TIA!

[adamjsav]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Good deal. So I'm thinking to set this up correctly to do the following:

30 team control
OSFM V2.5 25 man roster
"CPU" (auto) profile for every team but mine
Go ahead and put 40 on my team (before even starting Fran mode).
Use all 40 throughout ST
Move the excess 15 to respective minor league levels prior to season starting

This way when I begin season, all lineups SHOULD be reasonably accurate.

Anything I'm missing here...?

TIA!

No. So filling out your 40 man will allow you to play them in spring training. But unless you remove them from the 40 man, once you advance to the regular season the CPU will automatically pick the highest rated players.

[JHedges2]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

No. So filling out your 40 man will allow you to play them in spring training. But unless you remove them from the 40 man, once you advance to the regular season the CPU will automatically pick the highest rated players.

Ok, so leaving a 40 man roster in tact heading into the regular season, means that the CPU will adjust my entire organization (minor/major league rosters)? Even if I have everything set to 'manual' on my settings?

If that's the case, why would anyone want to use or even 'have' a 40 man roster?

[vizioN]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Ok, so leaving a 40 man roster in tact heading into the regular season, means that the CPU will adjust my entire organization (minor/major league rosters)? Even if I have everything set to 'manual' on my settings?

If that's the case, why would anyone want to use or even 'have' a 40 man roster?

Exactly what I still fail to understand. I just went with 1-team control, 25-man roster, and was able to keep all lineups/rotations in tact. Fixed my own 40-man for my team after Spring Training, and now I'm good to go.

[JHedges2]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Exactly what I still fail to understand. I just went with 1-team control, 25-man roster, and was able to keep all lineups/rotations in tact. Fixed my own 40-man for my team after Spring Training, and now I'm good to go.

Ok, so to confirm/finalize here...

I can set my 40 man up--for MY team ONLY; leaving every other roster at the OSFM V2.5 (25 man).

Then, prior to regular season, remove the extra 15 from the 40--leaving me with my 25 man opening day roster--which will NOT be adjusted by CPU.

Lastly, I will also have to move those add'l 15 to their respective minor league levels? Which, will cost me a move for them? (THAT SUCKS IF SO)

[adamjsav]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Ok, so to confirm/finalize here...

I can set my 40 man up--for MY team ONLY; leaving every other roster at the OSFM V2.5 (25 man).

Then, prior to regular season, remove the extra 15 from the 40--leaving me with my 25 man opening day roster--which will NOT be adjusted by CPU.

Lastly, I will also have to move those add'l 15 to their respective minor league levels? Which, will cost me a move for them? (THAT SUCKS IF SO)

No. Removing players from the 40 man will put them through waivers (my understanding). So there really is no benefit to starting with 40 man rosters unless you just want the CPU to choose the highest rated players. After spring training has ended, add anyone you want to your 40man. If you're using 30 team control, do the same. Otherwise play season one with the default 25 man. However sometimes this can lead to effects in free agency, the rule 5 draft etc.

[Brandwin]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

The computer doesn't chose my teams 40 man for me. I set it, move guys to get down to 25 and my roster is still the same. Unless I an mistaken.

[vizioN]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

Ok, so to confirm/finalize here...

I can set my 40 man up--for MY team ONLY; leaving every other roster at the OSFM V2.5 (25 man).

Then, prior to regular season, remove the extra 15 from the 40--leaving me with my 25 man opening day roster--which will NOT be adjusted by CPU.

Lastly, I will also have to move those add'l 15 to their respective minor league levels? Which, will cost me a move for them? (THAT SUCKS IF SO)

If you're looking to only mess with your team of choice, and don't mind what the CPU does with the other teams, I would go with the 25-man roster. Basically, take the 25-man roster that had corrected lineups and rotations, start your franchise, ensure that you have lineups set to manual in your settings, and sim Spring Training. After Spring Training, every team will still have their lineups and rotations that they did at the beginning before you simmed. At that point, all you must do is add your extra 15 players to your 40-man, and you're good to go for your team.

I honestly feel that's the easiest way to create your franchise with it starting in correspondence with real life, but allowing it to take its own course. All teams' lineups and rotations will be in tact, and you will at least have your own 40-man as well.

[Brandwin]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

The thing about using 25 instead is the CPU will never call guys up unless there is an injury and I believe the injured guys in A ball will never get called up. After the first season none of that matters anyway.

Kind of depends on what you want - realistic lineups/rotations based on real life or a MLB world with it's own life. I prefer the 40 man.

I also don't recall the cpu messing up their roster too much. I saw plenty of prospects that stayed in the minors after advancing Spring Training.

I hope I am not getting some of these things confused with the 25/40 rosters.

[JHedges2]

Re: 25-man vs. 40-man?

If you're looking to only mess with your team of choice, and don't mind what the CPU does with the other teams, I would go with the 25-man roster. Basically, take the 25-man roster that had corrected lineups and rotations, start your franchise, ensure that you have lineups set to manual in your settings, and sim Spring Training. After Spring Training, every team will still have their lineups and rotations that they did at the beginning before you simmed. At that point, all you must do is add your extra 15 players to your 40-man, and you're good to go for your team.

I honestly feel that's the easiest way to create your franchise with it starting in correspondence with real life, but allowing it to take its own course. All teams' lineups and rotations will be in tact, and you will at least have your own 40-man as well.

The thing about using 25 instead is the CPU will never call guys up unless there is an injury and I believe the injured guys in A ball will never get called up. After the first season none of that matters anyway.

Kind of depends on what you want - realistic lineups/rotations based on real life or a MLB world with it's own life. I prefer the 40 man.

I also don't recall the cpu messing up their roster too much. I saw plenty of prospects that stayed in the minors after advancing Spring Training.

I hope I am not getting some of these things confused with the 25/40 rosters.

Ok so here's what I am looking for. It's a bit of 'the best of both worlds', I think...

I want to be able to use 40 players in spring training, so as to use younger players to get a feel for them.

I want to have opening day be as close to realistic as possible (within reason).

I want the CPU to trade, and call up prospects as per real world situations (not nec. to mimic real life--but I want call ups/send downs to happen; presumably performance based). I'm ok with an 'alternate universe', as long as it stays reasonable (don't want stupid lineups/trades).

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So I'm thinking before I start franchise, that I need to set ATL up with the 40 players I want to use in ST; every other team leave at the OSFM 25 man.

Then I am a bit confused as to how to proceed once I play/sim through spring training, I would've thought that if I have everything at manual for ATL, then nothing will change with my roster by simply 'advancing to season'. This, apparently is not an accurate assumption? The CPU will adjust my MLB, AAA, AA rosters based on ratings? If this is the case, and I were to then go in and fix to my liking--would it change as each day passes through the season? Surely that can't be the case.

Sorry if any of this is confusing. Thank you all for helping me work through this!