MLB The Show 16 OSFM HYBRID V1 Roster Available Now

[Speedy]

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They didn't use ZiPS. They switched to Steamer. Williard posted it somewhere in this thread I do believe. Edit: found his post here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...8&postcount=69

Thanks Tony...I somehow overlooked it.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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There are and will be several users asking how "player x" got this rating/potential. In the same vein that PVarck was saying, asking people to bug off, don't download the roster if they don't like it or change it themselves is quite poor as most of these users are sincere in their inquiry as they try to figure out whether it's a viable roster. I used the roster last year and enjoyed it.

I'm curious myself how the ratings were derived though as I cannot recall. ZiPS projections? Steamer? I noticed Willard mentioned it was a weighted rating. Maybe it was covered already in the WIP thread or posted here and I overlooked it...

I agree totally. The issue is there are just enough trolls and ne'er-do-wells mixed in that sometimes a response is provoked to a post that isn't really deserved. It's more of a cumulative thing. I also think we are well within our rights to suggest that people use something else or make their own changes if they're hot and bothered over something and don't see eye to eye with our process. It's comical to think any roster will be one size fits all given all the fetishes that people have for their gameplay. Nobody is owed anything here, either, aside from a minimum of respect and civility. We could delete the roster at any time, no questions asked although I don't ever see that happening.

I think we can all agree that people could try to do a tad more research before asking questions since many of the popular questions (how did you rate the players? what about budgets? how do I do x, y, or z?) have been answered over, and over, and over, and over again, most of the time within the last page or 2 only. I think mods on OS would also do well to encourage users to research a bit (actually use the search feature, page back maybe 1 or 2 pages) and not let users become so dependent on someone else finding an answer for them and laying it out on a platter all of the time.

[Mattchu12]

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Hey guys, I love the rosters as always, but had one question:

Some of the multi-position guys got their back-up positions changed quite a bit. For example, Dustin Ackley no long can play 1B, 2B, and the OF and is instead outfield only. Brock Holt is only a corner outfield guy, I think. Javier Baez is another guy that lost his outfield ability as well. Any reason why in particular that happened?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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To answer your question, below is an exchange from earlier in the thread (around posts 40-45).

As for Baez, he has played the outfield only twice in his MLB career and never before this year. As a Cubs fan, he has no long-term future in the OF with the Cubs. He really doesn't need OF eligibility.

Hey guys, I love the rosters as always, but had one question:

Some of the multi-position guys got their back-up positions changed quite a bit. For example, Dustin Ackley no long can play 1B, 2B, and the OF and is instead outfield only. Brock Holt is only a corner outfield guy, I think. Javier Baez is another guy that lost his outfield ability as well. Any reason why in particular that happened?

Thanks and I really appreciate the work that hss gone into this. As someone who dabbled with ZiPS projections for MLB the Show, I know how much effort this takes. One quick question, why were so many players secondary positions changed? Guys like Brock Holt, Leury Garcia and others who played numerous positions are now more limited.

Unfortunately that happened in the editing process. Kike Hernandez was another casualty. When a lot of people are making a lot of edits, mistakes can be made. It's not like scores and scores of players, either. It's just a few. Some of the secondaries are obsolete anyway and haven't been played by guys in many years.

It's too bad that positional eligibility is still so fidgety. It should be more customize-able and the almost religious devotion required to keeping eligibilities intact and never being able to fix a mistake is on Sony quite frankly.

If you are a Brock Holt user (he has LF/IF as his positions in this roster...yeah, not ideal but he hasn't played any other positions yet this year) and it really bothers you, you can just change his primary position before any game you want to give him a start at say, RF or CF. In some ways this might be better, because secondary positions come along with attribute hits, so always listing a versatile guy like Holt with the primary he's going to be using probably makes him play more realistic anyway. The downside is you have to remember to edit the position from time to time.

[Peji911]

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After reading (didn't finish everything) I am confused.

Are trades and whatnot also included? I see some guys like Paredes and what not still on old teams.

Thanks

[Scott]

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After reading (didn't finish everything) I am confused.

Are trades and whatnot also included? I see some guys like Paredes and what not still on old teams.

Thanks

As stated, this is opening day.

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[Willard76]

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After reading (didn't finish everything) I am confused.



Are trades and whatnot also included? I see some guys like Paredes and what not still on old teams.



Thanks

It is an opening day roster so no transaction updates


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[Threeebs]

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I tell you what guys, I sure as **** enjoy reading posts about inquiries on ratings and general discussions and opinions on ratings rather than a bunch of boring "thanks for the roster" posts. That's what this site is all about.

Now a guy like AC should be the guy answering questions about the steamer projections and why players are either ranked high or low because he seems like he can answer something like that. More or less it seems the rest are just inputting numbers without really even knowing what theyre plugging in...

[Barbarian 13 Bravo]

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Anyone else having an issue with all of your starters taking overall hits because their morale list states they are on the bench even If they are in all four starting lineups? Even my pitchers are all listed as being in the bullpen even if they are are starters or the ace. Has anyone else seen this? Everyone on my team is listed as a bench warmer even if they platoon or start?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I tell you what guys, I sure as **** enjoy reading posts about inquiries on ratings and general discussions and opinions on ratings rather than a bunch of boring "thanks for the roster" posts. That's what this site is all about.

Now a guy like AC should be the guy answering questions about the steamer projections and why players are either ranked high or low because he seems like he can answer something like that. More or less it seems the rest are just inputting numbers without really even knowing what theyre plugging in...

Oh brother. Please spare us. There's a difference between being able to explain something and feeling the need to.

This is a roster thread, so let's keep it to that. This isn't a "let me explain to you how projections work" thread. This thread was also not created with your reading enjoyment in mind, lol, sorry to say.

[NeoOsiris]

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Sorry man, but you sort of walked right into a trap I was setting, lol.

We were just discussing how frustrating it is to explain how players are rated every 3 or 4 posts and then the post after that one was when you ask how the ratings were determined. I'll just say that, it's based on Steamer Projections and we are not changing anyone on request. For better or worse. Luckily, you guys should have edit functions on your games/PS4s and aren't trapped into this roster as is.

Furthermore, Estrada is sort of a weird case where the projections hate him, and have for some time, but he seems to have some mojo where he has avoided regression to his peripherals so far.

Also, Willard doesn't have anything to do with the ratings--if he did the Jays would all be 99 (sorry, Willard lol).

Thanks for the response. I already know I can just edit him the way I like and I did, I was just curious about the reason and you clarified it.

[Threeebs]

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Oh brother. Please spare us. There's a difference between being able to explain something and feeling the need to.

This is a roster thread, so let's keep it to that. This isn't a "let me explain to you how projections work" thread. This thread was also not created with your reading enjoyment in mind, lol, sorry to say.

LMAO spare me... I personally dont need any explanation. Just stating what I'm observing. You're taking this the wrong way.

This roster thread is doing exactly what it's intended to do, provoking observation, curiosity, discussion and questions. This is why I signed up quite frankly. It doesn't have to be created for my enjoyment. I'm just saying I like conversation on aspects of the thread within the thread rather than just jerking you off over the roster, know what I'm saying?

Healthy debate and good conversation is good for the mind my friend. It keeps you on your toes and keeps your brain functioning at a high level. I have no gripes with your roster. projections are projections. Just dont get so uptight when someone wants to talk about something within your roster. Other then that, you're doing alright. And if you really need it... Good job on the roster boys. The thought of doing a project like this has always crossed my mind, problem is life and work would never allow me to do something this vast and then get to be able to enjoy it...

[Tomba]

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using this roster you can SEE the difference. equip and animation pitching all look realistic.


This is a GREAT roster thank you for making it

[WaitTilNextYear]

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LMAO spare me... I personally dont need any explanation. Just stating what I'm observing. You're taking this the wrong way.

This roster thread is doing exactly what it's intended to do, provoking observation, curiosity, discussion and questions. This is why I signed up quite frankly. It doesn't have to be created for my enjoyment. I'm just saying I like conversation on aspects of the thread within the thread rather than just jerking you off over the roster, know what I'm saying?

Healthy debate and good conversation is good for the mind my friend. It keeps you on your toes and keeps your brain functioning at a high level. I have no gripes with your roster. projections are projections. Just dont get so uptight when someone wants to talk about something within your roster. Other then that, you're doing alright. And if you really need it... Good job on the roster boys. The thought of doing a project like this has always crossed my mind, problem is life and work would never allow me to do something this vast and then get to be able to enjoy it...

1. Your initial tone was accusatory (you guys don't seem to know what you're doing! let AC come to everyone's rescue!), so it's more of a what you're putting out there issue as opposed to what you're getting back. If I recall, you got banned about this time last year for crossing the line with something similar and going off on someone who had sort of done their "own Hybrid roster." Sometimes, I struggle with tone also, so I can at least empathize.

2. No, this thread's main purpose is actually not discussion; it's to notify people that this roster is out there for them to use. All of the "discussion" is ancillary to that. For you, the main purpose might be discussion, but for the makers of the roster, it's the finish line not the beginning of some grand discussion.

3. If/when you do get around to that roster, and you do have people coming out of the woodwork to ask you the same questions over and over (and in some cases just flat troll you), I will be there to say the same thing. Take it easy

[Threeebs]

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1. Your initial tone was accusatory (you guys don't seem to know what you're doing! let AC come to everyone's rescue!), so it's more of a what you're putting out there issue as opposed to what you're getting back. If I recall, you got banned about this time last year for crossing the line with something similar and going off on someone who had sort of done their "own Hybrid roster." Sometimes, I struggle with tone also, so I can at least empathize.

2. No, this thread's main purpose is actually not discussion; it's to notify people that this roster is out there for them to use. All of the "discussion" is ancillary to that. For you, the main purpose might be discussion, but for the makers of the roster, it's the finish line not the beginning of some grand discussion.

3. If/when you do get around to that roster, and you do have people coming out of the woodwork to ask you the same questions over and over (and in some cases just flat troll you), I will be there to say the same thing. Take it easy

I see where you're coming from brother. Even as I was writing the AC thing I had a feeling it was going to come across as indifferent. What I should have said was those with questions about steamer should ask AC because he's offered his hand at answering those questions.

Ya about that incident last year... I didn't like how that particular gentleman was reacting to those who asked politely to change his roster name. He acted like an entitled classless fool and when I see things like that it irritates me so I tried to put him in his place, which I shouldn't have. I learned my lesson lol