Speed Ratings - MLB The Show 17

[NAFBUC]

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New players added

Thanks Jros.....one of my favorite threads with great info!

[Russia0524]

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Each stat its below the MLB rating that applies just check the amount of steals attempts the player has and check in what MLB rating column its located (colored ones)

FYI

FanGraphs has some good saber data on speed and stolen bases. Check on their glossary for definitions and then you can download the data into an Excel file.

They also have data on some of the hardest measurements to obtain, such as arm strength and accuracy...Along with "hands" and first step data.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Statcast introduces new "Sprint Speed" metric
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/224864...-speed-metric/

Nice find. Unfortunately the entire list is only outfielders and won't be released to Baseball Savant for "a few weeks" yet per http://tangotiger.com/index.php/site...medium=twitter

So it's nearly been a month since the Statcast guys' (Tom Tango, Daren Willman, Mike Petriello) "listicle" about sprint speeds based on OF defensive data. Tom Tango mentioned that "Sprint Speed" would be coming to Baseball Savant at some point, but it has not as of last I checked this morning...

...so I have a favor to ask of any Twitter-active folks who care about authentic ratings. Does anyone want to [respectfully] Tweet at these Statcast dudes (who seem to be on Twitter all the time btw) about when we can expect access to this stuff? A complete data set (instead of just a top 10 article and fuhggetaboutit) for things like speed and arm strength etc would be great for roster makers to have.

My worry is that these Statcast guys get stretched a little thin/distracted while branching out to new things before really completely dealing with (and publishing) previous projects. Maybe "turning up the heat" to show interest in getting access to these data will help our cause? Who's with me? lol

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Well it's been a couple of months/years in the making, but it looks like we're going to have running speeds to look at before the month is out:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're going to roll out <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/statcast?src=hash">#statcast</a> baserunning metrics publicly very soon. Looking at bottom 10 of 300+, 7 are/were C. 3 1B/DH. That'll play.</p>&mdash; Mike Petriello (@mike_petriello) <a href="https://twitter.com/mike_petriello/status/875800796167905281">June 16, 2017</a></blockquote>

[WaitTilNextYear]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(What's Sprint Speed? We introduced it in April: <a href="https://t.co/hOvT1QdRRW">https://t.co/hOvT1QdRRW</a> but there is so much more to come publicly in next week.)</p>&mdash; Mike Petriello (@mike_petriello) <a href="https://twitter.com/mike_petriello/status/877530624961150976">June 21, 2017

[Jros22]

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http://mlb.com/r/article?ymd=20170626&content_id=238290228&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

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[Jros22]

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https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sprint_speed_leaderboard

[Jros22]

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I converted Sprint Speed stats to The Show rating scale for every player in the Statcast database.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I converted Sprint Speed stats to The Show rating scale for every player in the Statcast database.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Your scale is similar to what I calculated, but I'm not sure about having nobody with 99 speed. My scale is shifted 3-4 points higher than yours so that the Hamiltons and Buxtons are maxed out. In any event, good stuff.

[rjackson]

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Good stuff. Need stolen base ability along with it, though. I mean, Villar is a 68/72 between WTNY and you. What kind of SBA rating would he get. Bellinger is faster, what would he get?

[JaFFiTh]

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WTNY and yours are similar to mine but I started 99 at the 30.7 mark by Buxton last year (still debating on that or use 99 for the top 3 years average). I use the 3 years average for most players (some only have 1 or 2 years). The reason for that is to have the slower runner slower but then some good runners are maybe slightly slower than I think. Heck Trumbo is much quicker than I thought and quicker than Bautista? I thought it was the other way around lol.

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[Jros22]

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I'm still not 100% sure on the scale and i still don't trust those spring speed numbers here is the difinition of sprint speed (feet per second in a player’s fastest one-second window.) which seems that those numbers are the amount of ground a player covers at his FASTEST which is why we see players like Judge and Bryant as high and a guy like Altuve doesnt appear at the top, its know that big guys reach high top speeds because of their long legs but they take way more time to reach it while a small guy like Altuve might not reach a high top speed but is way more explosive and reaches his top speed faster than them therefore spents more time running at his top speed which makes him go base to base quicker than them. I'm sure Altuve's times base to base are one of the best since he can be at full speed in like the first 30 ft of his run which is why he's so good stealing bases and considered one of the fastest runners in the league but according to sprint speed he's not even close to the top and if we want to list the fastest guys that list to me it's not accurate, the list is good when talking about who reaches the top speeds but if you want to talk about the fastest guys we have to consider that players have different accelerations and thats what differentiates Altuve, Villar and fast guys from others, its enough to see him run to know it without even using his times, Sprint speed would be good if The Show had 2 separate ratings ACCELARATION and TOP SPEED but since both are combined in SPEED i dont think Sprint speed is the tool to use.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I'm still not 100% sure on the scale and i still don't trust those spring speed numbers here is the difinition of sprint speed (feet per second in a player’s fastest one-second window.) which seems that those numbers are the amount of ground a player covers at his FASTEST which is why we see players like Judge and Bryant as high and a guy like Altuve doesnt appear at the top, its know that big guys reach high top speeds because of their long legs but they take way more time to reach it while a small guy like Altuve might not reach a high top speed but is way more explosive and reaches his top speed faster than them therefore spents more time running at his top speed which makes him go base to base quicker than them. I'm sure Altuve's times base to base are one of the best since he can be at full speed in like the first 30 ft of his run which is why he's so good stealing bases and considered one of the fastest runners in the league but according to sprint speed he's not even close to the top and if we want to list the fastest guys that list to me it's not accurate, the list is good when talking about who reaches the top speeds but if you want to talk about the fastest guys we have to consider that players have different accelerations and thats what differentiates Altuve, Villar and fast guys from others, its enough to see him run to know it without even using his times, Sprint speed would be good if The Show had 2 separate ratings ACCELARATION and TOP SPEED but since both are combined in SPEED i dont think Sprint speed is the tool to use.

There might be a couple of surprises on the list, but I'm pretty satisfied with going off of sprint speed from now on. For one, it's an actual direct measurement. Not something based on perception or SBs or speed score or something else indirect. It's the closest thing we have to standing there ourselves with a stop watch.

It would be nice to have an acceleration rating to go with the speed rating, sort of like how they do in Madden, to help the smaller, twitchier guys out some. For now, there are already other stats like Reaction (for defense) and Stealing (for baserunning) that sort of substitute for acceleration. Reaction determines how quickly the fielder gets his jump and Stealing determines how successful the SB attempts will be.

All that said, maybe Jose Altuve just isn't that fast? Or maybe he's lost a step or two as he's become more of a power threat? It's hard to tell if we just perceive guys as "fast" due to their SB totals or if they "look fast" due to their running motion on TV. How accurate have our perceptions been all along? It's difficult to tell.

[JaFFiTh]

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Yeah there are obviously different opinions on this. It does affects some stuff.. for example Villar had some 60 or so SB last year but with his lower speed (according to sprint) I've seen him max up at low to mid 40's instead so it may affect some SB and extra base hits. But it is what it is right till we find a better solution.

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[WaitTilNextYear]

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Yeah there are obviously different opinions on this. It does affects some stuff.. for example Villar had some 60 or so SB last year but with his lower speed (according to sprint) I've seen him max up at low to mid 40's instead so it may affect some SB and extra base hits. But it is what it is right till we find a better solution.

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Based on this year's sprint speed data alone, I have Jose Altuve at 78 speed and Jonathan Villar at 70 speed. If I use last year's data only, Altuve is 84 speed and Villar is 75 speed. If you'd rather average it, then go for it.

Either way it's probably a hard sell to people that have seen these guys steal 50-60 bases, but I wouldn't exactly consider guys with speed in the 70-80 range to be "slow" either.

It also makes sense that these guys are slowing down as they age--both are getting into their late prime for speed at 27 and 26 years old respectively. Both of these guys have also suffered injuries over the past year--oblique and back inuries that could definitely be slowing them down.