2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

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but the numbers should seem skewed. War year you know.

Oh, I admit to being totally in the dark as to what that means. Anyway, what have you done Internationally?

I have a picture for you.

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[RedKing19]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

Oh, I admit to being totally in the dark as to what that means. Anyway, what have you done Internationally?

I have a picture for you.

The translation of the text is as follows:

Mod This is an update of MVP08 owned eamods.com, all credit to them, adapted for the MLB Online Closing 2009 Tournament of the International League of Addicts to Baseball. The update includes: 1422 Portraits of Modder philthebat, Citi Field Stadium, Nationals Park and Great American Ball Park for Modder Pirate, Tampa Bay Rays Audio and Rogers Center's Stadium Audio for Modder tebjr,

icon MVP 08 for Modder XxTigre24xX, Texts for Modder alykkain, 62 cyberfaces for Modder matrox, uniforms'2009 for Modder theSpungo, Camera's original game MVP Baseball 2005 and 317 audio players for Modder Cavicchi. All credits for each Modder.

We are in touch!

The Modder Cavicchi in bold is as sent in message to me.

Look man, I'm not sure what/if anything you're trying to prove here. We get that you disagree with some of our ratings and that's fine, but if you hate our set so much, why bother commenting over and over? Just move along and let us do our thing

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

Look man, I'm not sure what/if anything you're trying to prove here. We get that you disagree with some of our ratings and that's fine, but if you hate our set so much, why bother commenting over and over? Just move along and let us do our thing

See my last post here? Nothing to do with your wonderful ratings.

Long ago I posted in Hybrid about Jose Fernandez, and more recently about Francisco Lindor, even more recently about Betts and Chapman. I get that you folks don't agree with me, and I get that other folks here like your wonderful ratings, so I'll refrain from giving anymore suggestions.

However, if someone posts about me in words or pictures, I may very well reply.

[patsen29]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

We always listen to feedback, because there are always more things we can do to improve the process. We do encourage constructive criticism, but there's always something we can learn.

That said, given we're the only raters who rate all the way down to the minors. Because we need to support larger range of players, we did have to tweak the scale. That's both a pro and a con. We have had good feedback about how the extra separation plays, but it does lead to some inflated ratings near the top.

For Chapman's power, the straight Iso seems fair enough, and consistent with how we're rating things. But the platoon splits are a bit too extreme. A righty shouldn't have a neutral split, and a reverse split from 17 got exaggerated too much.

That said, because of how power is tied to overall, we might look at a rescaling there. We can't do that midseason, because we don't have tools to modify thousands of players at once. But the offseason is a good time to consider tweaks might help.


For Martinez, he's a poor OF/DH. The arm metrics seem a few runs below average, and the Fan/Tango ratings seem average, maybe a bit higher. So I think a low 70s arm is fair.

Assist numbers are hard to judge without the added context, but bbref does count 9 of them as AOther, which aren't traditional baserunner kills. I'd like to see what some of those plays were, but those were in 2015, so it's tough to find video, and there's not enough evidence to give him a better arm.


Thanks for the feedback. There are a lot of moving parts, and we need as many eyes as possible, to make sure we make the most wonderful offering we can, year after year.

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

We always listen to feedback, because there are always more things we can do to improve the process. We do encourage constructive criticism, but there's always something we can learn.

That said, given we're the only raters who rate all the way down to the minors. Because we need to support larger range of players, we did have to tweak the scale. That's both a pro and a con. We have had good feedback about how the extra separation plays, but it does lead to some inflated ratings near the top.

For Chapman's power, the straight Iso seems fair enough, and consistent with how we're rating things. But the platoon splits are a bit too extreme. A righty shouldn't have a neutral split, and a reverse split from 17 got exaggerated too much.

That said, because of how power is tied to overall, we might look at a rescaling there. We can't do that midseason, because we don't have tools to modify thousands of players at once. But the offseason is a good time to consider tweaks might help.


For Martinez, he's a poor OF/DH. The arm metrics seem a few runs below average, and the Fan/Tango ratings seem average, maybe a bit higher. So I think a low 70s arm is fair.

Assist numbers are hard to judge without the added context, but bbref does count 9 of them as AOther, which aren't traditional baserunner kills. I'd like to see what some of those plays were, but those were in 2015, so it's tough to find video, and there's not enough evidence to give him a better arm.


Thanks for the feedback. There are a lot of moving parts, and we need as many eyes as possible, to make sure we make the most wonderful offering we can, year after year.

If your looking for suggestions, Betts should have more than 70 speed, Bradley should have more speed, much more than anything in the 50's.

Yes, Martinez had 15 assists in 2015--and 3 double plays playing in RF. And, while he isn't Betts in the OF, he isn't 50 something for fielding either--my opinion

Now, 15 assists and 3 double plays suggests to me he has a good arm, unless you can find somewhere he has an illness weakening that arm, or a weakening due to age. I don't think age should be a factor, so that leaves illness or injury. If it were an injury, is it permanent?

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

Correction: The 15 assists and 3 double plays for Martinez was him playing in RF.

[patsen29]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

Correction: The 15 assists and 3 double plays for Martinez was him playing in RF.

We use statcast sprint scores for speed. None of the Red Sox outfielders have elite speed according to that. What metrics do you propose we consider in their case?

As for JD Martinez, assists are rolled into the fielding metrics, in terms of how many runners they hold or throw out. 2015 was the only year he had a positive metric, and overall, he's a few runs below average for his career. We give more weight to recent years, and his 15 assist year was a while ago.

I'd love to get actual throwing arm metrics, like they introduced for catchers, but for now, none of the metrics we're using say he should be above average arm.

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

We use statcast sprint scores for speed. None of the Red Sox outfielders have elite speed according to that. What metrics do you propose we consider in their case?

As for JD Martinez, assists are rolled into the fielding metrics, in terms of how many runners they hold or throw out. 2015 was the only year he had a positive metric, and overall, he's a few runs below average for his career. We give more weight to recent years, and his 15 assist year was a while ago.

I'd love to get actual throwing arm metrics, like they introduced for catchers, but for now, none of the metrics we're using say he should be above average arm.

So you think Betts should have 70 speed and that's for a player who stole what, 30 something bases. Martinez doesn't have a lot of range, but when getting to the ball, he usually makes the play. Fielding in my book is when getting to the ball, are you making the play? Reaction in my book is how quickly one reacts to the ball, and RANGE. Again, just my opinion.

Now, I don't take this roster seriously. Why do I say that? Am I trying to be mean? No. Aside from many ratings issues, your roster does not use Brooksbaseball for pitch types and speeds. I consider that an extremely important aspect of any roster. I consider it that way.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

I came in here to respond to Jada. What follows was really in response to your wonderful ratings system.

Those who know of my work for MVP baseball, know what kind of work I do. I think Legend kind of fits.

So you think Betts should have 70 speed and that's for a player who stole what, 30 something bases. Martinez doesn't have a lot of range, but when getting to the ball, he usually makes the play. Fielding in my book is when getting to the ball, are you making the play? Reaction in my book is how quickly one reacts to the ball, and RANGE. Again, just my opinion.

Now, I don't take this roster seriously. Why do I say that? Am I trying to be mean? No. Aside from many ratings issues, your roster does not use Brooksbaseball for pitch types and speeds. I consider that an extremely important aspect of any roster. I consider it that way.

Seriously patsen29 was being respectful and even thanking you for some feedback despite you sounding like a complete pompous ***....then you come back with this post?

Damn man......talk about coming off like all high and mighty.....it's a freaking roster. And ***t ton of us really enjoy it.

You don’t...so why don’t you go play with your roster and admire yourself some more.

Unreal.

[Cavicchi]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

Seriously patsen29 was being respectful and even thanking you for some feedback despite you sounding like a complete pompous ***....then you come back with this post?

Damn man......talk about coming off like all high and mighty.....it's a freaking roster. And ***t ton of us really enjoy it.

You don’t...so why don’t you go play with your roster and admire yourself some more.

Unreal.

If I recall correctly, you said you were putting me on that list to ignore.

Anyway, you already know I don't care what you say or think.

[TheGame8544]

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Did I seriously just read someone refer to themselves as a “Legend”? Please tell me I’m not dreaming, because that just made my whole freakin year! [emoji38][emoji23][emoji1787]

[Councilmann_Jamm]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

Did I seriously just read someone refer to themselves as a “Legend”? Please tell me I’m not dreaming, because that just made my whole freakin year! [emoji38][emoji23][emoji1787]

All I can say is #bless this #legend for bringing TheGame out to play!

We've missed you!

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[Cavicchi]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

Did I seriously just read someone refer to themselves as a “Legend”? Please tell me I’m not dreaming, because that just made my whole freakin year! [emoji38][emoji23][emoji1787]

Good for you! Oh, actually it does say that under my name at the website where I'm a modder.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

This is priceless stuff here folks.

Just priceless!


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[TheGame8544]

Re: 2018 OSFM Hybrid Roster Project

All I can say is #bless this #legend for bringing TheGame out to play!

We've missed you!

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Operation Sports mobile app

Haha! Thanks! Haven’t been around in a bit but after hearing about the comments I missed, I had to come give them a read. Then, I stumbled across the “legend” comment and found it too funny to not comment.

Sorry I’m not as active anymore. Real life has sadly gotten in the way of the time I used to have.