CRP Roster 2019

[RidinDwnKingsley]

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There is a fine line, you cant edit players based on what level you want them in, you edit them based on their attributes now, if you want a cookie cutter ratings system then you may as well just edit the generics that are in game and just change names and faces.

Just some advice. I have worked with player re-rates in the past. Mostly offline with a few friends. Used strictly for Franchise and offline.

One thing that must be addressed is the rating for the created players being added to the game. There has to be a floor and ceiling for players at a certain level or the computer management system in Franchise doesn’t operate properly.

For example, Biggio was created as a 65 in AA last season. The computer called him up because he was next man up on the Jays depth chart. Skipped 3 AAA players to do so. A friend of mine was in contact with SDS last year about ratings. Its important to know that the ratings are based in todays mentality and not tomorrow. As if they were in the Majors. It doesnt look at future progression or Potential A, B, C, D. Thats part of the players progression. The actual rating is if they played in the MLB right now.

With that said... this is what we used last season
A Ball - Rating 0-54
AA Ball - Rating 55-61
AAA Ball - Rating 61-
This way the computer knows not to call up a kid from A ball rated 67 with potential A at the age of 19.

To answer any obvious questions, No that does not effect their rating increase.

SDS explained it like this.. “If you called up an A ball player to the Majors... how many A ball players could honestly hit MLB pitching... Probably None.”..... Thats why you cant have them at 65.

Not a fan of NHL 19 lately but thats a perfect example. OHL players max out at a certain number regardless of the future A Elite status. Hope this helps.


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[Therebelyell626]

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There is a fine line, you cant edit players based on what level you want them in, you edit them based on their attributes now, if you want a cookie cutter ratings system then you may as well just edit the generics that are in game and just change names and faces.

This 100%. By this logic there never would be any teenage phenoms like trout and Harper, or Juan Soto last year. Some guys start in high A ball and are in triple A by the end of the year. Or in Juan sotos case double A straight to the bigs

[SonnyWest]

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There is a fine line, you cant edit players based on what level you want them in, you edit them based on their attributes now, if you want a cookie cutter ratings system then you may as well just edit the generics that are in game and just change names and faces.

Yes there is obviously a fine line. Im not saying this is Nazy Germany with my example. I should have clarified that this does or should not include the Top level A prospects who can be promoted to the MLB Level this season. The Vlads, Jimenez’s and Senzels etc. They are a step from the MLB and deserve the call up. Im referring to the players several years away from the Show and are Raw talent.

Last year in Franchise, using your OSFM roster, 2 weeks into the season the White Sox called up Luis Robert from A ball who was rated a 64 due to injuries. They skipped over all OF in AAA and AA to call up a 20 year old kid who has no business in the majors. Why is that?

He was adjusted accordingly based on the White Sox prospect chart and was then called up 2 years later in August after Jimenez and Rutherford were already in the show. Again, this is just what we found worked based on what we saw. Like i said, doesn’t have to be those numbers, just advising to be mindful when separating A, B and C level prospects.




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[Therebelyell626]

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Yes there is obviously a fine line. Im not saying this is Nazy Germany with my example. I should have clarified that this does or should not include the Top level A prospects who can be promoted to the MLB Level this season. The Vlads, Jimenez’s and Senzels etc. They are a step from the MLB and deserve the call up. Im referring to the players several years away from the Show and are Raw talent.

Last year in Franchise, using your OSFM roster, 2 weeks into the season the White Sox called up Luis Robert from A ball who was rated a 64 due to injuries. They skipped over all OF in AAA and AA to call up a 20 year old kid who has no business in the majors. Why is that?

He was adjusted accordingly based on the White Sox prospect chart and was then called up 2 years later in August after Jimenez and Rutherford were already in the show. Again, this is just what we found worked based on what we saw. Like i said, doesn’t have to be those numbers, just advising to be mindful when separating A, B and C level prospects.




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I get what your saying my man. But if you start trying to do re-rates around the computer roster logic, your going to have a bunch of good young players that don't reach the show until they are 25-26 years old. I did a ton of simming last year so that I could get a feel for the progression system, and guys just don't progress as fast as they have in years passed. The show started moving towards a production heavy progression system last year, so I saw a lot of high potential players progress incrementally despite high potential ratings being high.

For example: an 18 year old with 64 overall and 92 potential on average were progressing around 2-3 overall points a year on average in most of the franchises I tested. That mean by age 23 he would be about an 79 overall IF and mean IF he continued to produce in the minors. I had a couple of high potential prospects absolutely fall off a cliff despite good attributes because for some reason they just could not hit in the minors despite their solid attributes. There is good balance with the show's progression system but last year it wasn't like years past where a high potential rating guaranteed they would wind up being borderline all star level no matter what. Production mattered much more than years past.

[SonnyWest]

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I get what your saying my man. But if you start trying to do re-rates around the computer roster logic, your going to have a bunch of good young players that don't reach the show until they are 25-26 years old. I did a ton of simming last year so that I could get a feel for the progression system, and guys just don't progress as fast as they have in years passed. The show started moving towards a production heavy progression system last year, so I saw a lot of high potential players progress incrementally despite high potential ratings being high.

For example: an 18 year old with 64 overall and 92 potential on average were progressing around 2-3 overall points a year on average in most of the franchises I tested. That mean by age 23 he would be about an 79 overall IF and mean IF he continued to produce in the minors. I had a couple of high potential prospects absolutely fall off a cliff despite good attributes because for some reason they just could not hit in the minors despite their solid attributes. There is good balance with the show's progression system but last year it wasn't like years past where a high potential rating guaranteed they would wind up being borderline all star level no matter what. Production mattered much more than years past.

Very very good point.


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[cripes]

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I think you just need to create it as close to correct as possible. If Cavan Biggio is the 2nd best 2nd baseman in the Blue Jays system, despite only being in AA, then that is how he should be rated. It sounds more like a logic issue with the way CPU GM's handle injuries - but honestly, if you were a Blue Jays fan wouldn't you want the GM to call up the next best guy if someone gets hurt. Obviously it's a video game so there is no such thing as "readiness" per se.

Also, another solution for you might be 30 team control. I don't do it, but it would fix your problem since you would control who the team is calling up.

[ninertravel]

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Just in case anyone’s wondering we won’t have ichiro on the roster, even if he’s missing or not, I think it’s best not to waste a roster spot plus be wild retire anyway after the season.

I’m not sure we can even create a 45 year old now anyway. In fact I think we might might make cutoff point the 28th so we are not playjng catchup with transactions forever!

As for ratings, I said once I’ve done all the exporting importing and getting all the players with correct faces and missing vets in the game I’ll leave the ratings for others to adjust and play with I don’t have time o do all of that but I trust we have heaps of people that will.

[RidinDwnKingsley]

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There is no right and wrong, the logic is broken and been broken in franchise for years , but if you go by what you say then you will have to ask sony why they have MLb guys rated in the 50’ and 60’s each of their base rosters, I would always want minor leaguers and prospects playing to their true attributes instead of playing to meet a cpu logic, Franchise needs work that is the bottom line as has been discussed for years.

Very very good point.


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[Willard76]

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Just in case anyone’s wondering we won’t have ichiro on the roster, even if he’s missing or not, I think it’s best not to waste a roster spot plus be wild retire anyway after the season.

I’m not sure we can even create a 45 year old now anyway. In fact I think we might might make cutoff point the 28th so we are not playjng catchup with transactions forever!

As for ratings, I said once I’ve done all the exporting importing and getting all the players with correct faces and missing vets in the game I’ll leave the ratings for others to adjust and play with I don’t have time o do all of that but I trust we have heaps of people that will.

I think if Ichiro is in the game he should be included - leave it up to the users to delete him because once you import over him he is gone forever. Either that or make him a free agent so he is not taking up a Seattle roster spot.




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[ninertravel]

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I think if Ichiro is in the game he should be included - leave it up to the users to delete him because once you import over him he is gone forever. Either that or make him a free agent so he is not taking up a Seattle roster spot.




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Yeah I think free agents spot, is the way to go.

the issue is gonna be if they do a latest roster update (which is what we will use not the default one) he won't be exportable

[Cycloniac]

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Yeah I think free agents spot, is the way to go.

the issue is gonna be if they do a latest roster update (which is what we will use not the default one) he won't be exportable

He retired this afternoon anyhow.

[Cycloniac]

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I get what your saying my man. But if you start trying to do re-rates around the computer roster logic, your going to have a bunch of good young players that don't reach the show until they are 25-26 years old. I did a ton of simming last year so that I could get a feel for the progression system, and guys just don't progress as fast as they have in years passed. The show started moving towards a production heavy progression system last year, so I saw a lot of high potential players progress incrementally despite high potential ratings being high.

For example: an 18 year old with 64 overall and 92 potential on average were progressing around 2-3 overall points a year on average in most of the franchises I tested. That mean by age 23 he would be about an 79 overall IF and mean IF he continued to produce in the minors. I had a couple of high potential prospects absolutely fall off a cliff despite good attributes because for some reason they just could not hit in the minors despite their solid attributes. There is good balance with the show's progression system but last year it wasn't like years past where a high potential rating guaranteed they would wind up being borderline all star level no matter what. Production mattered much more than years past.

The majority of prospects, good prospects, take 3-4 years in the minors to become MLB ready.

Elite, generational prospects take about 1-2 years (Machado, Harper)

I'm in favor of tiering prospect OVRs based on:
-When they are projected to enter the MLB
-What rank they are right now on major prospect lists

[ninertravel]

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He retired this afternoon anyhow.

yes I know, he actually is in the game too seen him on the stream today and the quick glance I seen. so guess we chuck him in free agents. concerning thing is as they add more damm legends their be less free agent sports. I don't think you can import over a real player anyway that isn't scea created.

[Therebelyell626]

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The majority of prospects, good prospects, take 3-4 years in the minors to become MLB ready.

Elite, generational prospects take about 1-2 years (Machado, Harper)

I'm in favor of tiering prospect OVRs based on:
-When they are projected to enter the MLB
-What rank they are right now on major prospect lists

You know more about re-rates than I do so I will just take your word for it

[blackhawksfan4ever19]

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not to be a pain but how is the roster coming along? any updates?