Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Sliders

[Burgess]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino's MLB The Show 17 Timed/Classic Simulation All-Star Slider

It is certainly not the sliders. I can pretty much assure you of that. I am hitting default All-Star.

With a tweak to CPU control and strike frequency (just reduced by 1 each).....that’s it!

And fielder speed is for the OF play which gives a nice tweak for hit variety (and fielder ratings meaning more) and reaction is also for infield (same principal as OF).

It is purely what you are doing or not doing at the plate.

Pitch selection, what counts you are working, what swing type in what count, using your left stick with dead pull or push hitters and sitting on pitches that will be conducive to their hitting spray chart in combination with a normal swing and the left stick influence.

Seriously...there is so much going on. It is not as simple as hitting X and hoping. If you are behind in the count your less likely to get a hit. If your ahead in the count you are far more likely....if you groove a pitch in your wheelhouse.

But the sliders really have nothing to do with what you are seeing obviously. Because I am using them and hitting the ball all over the park with the best hit variety I have ever seen on a console baseball game.

You gotta work on your game. And it takes baseball IQ to be consistently successful with these two interfaces (Directional/Classic) because it gives a lot of weight to player ratings, counts, pitches your hitting vs placing the PCI in the right spot and hitting the meter or pulse.

Totally different approach to playing this game....and for simulation heads....nothing better.

Good luck man.....hope you can improve your hitting without having to jack up the hitting sliders.....but if you are still seeing the same stuff with increases to contact, power and timing.....you gotta take a look at how your playing and approaching your AB’s.

For what it is worth, I am a 53 year-old "kid" and I have a very simple approach to this game and get great results in my Yankees and Mets franchises. I always use Armour's exact sliders. I simply press x to hit ALL the time. No stick ever. No power button and I can hit 450 foot bombs. For pitching I am on HOF and I listen to the catcher 99.9% of the time and simply tap x to pitch. I started my Yankee franchise over last night and beat the Rays 7-2 with this approach. Gardner, Sanchez and Bird went back-to-back-to-back in the 2nd inning, the longest homer was 439 feet (all with x button). Tanaka and Warren combined to give up 6 hits, including 2 solo homers and 8 k's

Sometimes I think we tend to over-think things when we play this game. We try to find problems that aren't really there. So my advice would be to load Armour's sliders (and thanks again for these amazing sliders and help Armour) and just PLAY!! This is a great game so just enjoy it.

[The Chef]

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For what it is worth, I am a 53 year-old "kid" and I have a very simple approach to this game and get great results in my Yankees and Mets franchises. I always use Armour's exact sliders. I simply press x to hit ALL the time. No stick ever. No power button and I can hit 450 foot bombs. For pitching I am on HOF and I listen to the catcher 99.9% of the time and simply tap x to pitch. I started my Yankee franchise over last night and beat the Rays 7-2 with this approach. Gardner, Sanchez and Bird went back-to-back-to-back in the 2nd inning, the longest homer was 439 feet (all with x button). Tanaka and Warren combined to give up 6 hits, including 2 solo homers and 8 k's

Sometimes I think we tend to over-think things when we play this game. We try to find problems that aren't really there. So my advice would be to load Armour's sliders (and thanks again for these amazing sliders and help Armour) and just PLAY!! This is a great game so just enjoy it.

Well for myself I wasn't having issues hitting HR's either when just pressing X and not bothering with the stick. I was however hitting too few doubles, other then that my average was high, led the league in HR's and scoring. Since I started using the stick to influence I still hit HR's, average is still high but I'm now getting more doubles to balance things out a bit.

As for pitching I wish I could have the same results when just tapping the button but when I do the ball gets blasted more often then not. I tend to balance between holding to the rumble and barely holding at all but never simply just tapping the button. Last game I had Sonny Gray on the mound and he was pitching a gem and I went to the vibration on nearly every pitch. I tend to go to the vibration on pitches that a guy has high control in and far less on pitches that someone has questionable control with. It works sometimes and doesn't other times but provides results I find typical with who is on the mound at the time.

[Burgess]

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For what it is worth, I am a 53 year-old "kid" and I have a very simple approach to this game and get great results in my Yankees and Mets franchises. I always use Armour's exact sliders. I simply press x to hit ALL the time. No stick ever. No power button and I can hit 450 foot bombs. For pitching I am on HOF and I listen to the catcher 99.9% of the time and simply tap x to pitch. I started my Yankee franchise over last night and beat the Rays 7-2 with this approach. Gardner, Sanchez and Bird went back-to-back-to-back in the 2nd inning, the longest homer was 439 feet (all with x button). Tanaka and Warren combined to give up 6 hits, including 2 solo homers and 8 k's

Sometimes I think we tend to over-think things when we play this game. We try to find problems that aren't really there. So my advice would be to load Armour's sliders (and thanks again for these amazing sliders and help Armour) and just PLAY!! This is a great game so just enjoy it.

I forgot to add my approach to hitting. I was a pretty aggressive hitter when I played and I am in this game as well. Early in the count I'm looking for a fastball over the plate. If I get it I'm swinging (have it several homers on first pitches). Obviously if a pitcher hangs a slider or grooves a curve early in the count I'm swinging as well. If the first pitch is a ball I become a bit more selective, trying to work the count to 2-0, 3-1, etc. My philosophy has always been that you might only get 1 good pitch to hit in every at bat, so it's tough taking a hitable pitch early in the count. Yes, sometimes I pop-up a 1st pitch fastball and sometimes I get fooled thinking it's a fastball and getting a change up and hitting a little dribbler to the pitcher. But I've also been called out on strikes on a borderline strikes or on pitches that I think are out of the zone.

[Burgess]

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Well for myself I wasn't having issues hitting HR's either when just pressing X and not bothering with the stick. I was however hitting too few doubles, other then that my average was high, led the league in HR's and scoring. Since I started using the stick to influence I still hit HR's, average is still high but I'm now getting more doubles to balance things out a bit.

As for pitching I wish I could have the same results when just tapping the button but when I do the ball gets blasted more often then not. I tend to balance between holding to the rumble and barely holding at all but never simply just tapping the button. Last game I had Sonny Gray on the mound and he was pitching a gem and I went to the vibration on nearly every pitch. I tend to go to the vibration on pitches that a guy has high control in and far less on pitches that someone has questionable control with. It works sometimes and doesn't other times but provides results I find typical with who is on the mound at the time.

There are games that I score all my runs on homers and other games that I score all my runs on no homers. As Armour always says these sliders are designed for a 162-game marathon, so trust the sliders, trust the ratings and simply enjoy the game.

In regards to pitching, I cant explain why I get the results I do by simply tapping x every time and listening to the catcher 99.9% of the time. I think my catcher Sanchez and d'Arnaud call pretty good games. Maybe other catches don't?? In my game last night Tanaka was spot on except for 2 mistakes. Sanchez called for a slider low and away and he hung it over the plate and Rasmus smoked it. The other homer was off a splitter that Sanchez wanted low and Tanaka left it high in the zone. I have always used classic pitching and have always just tapped x and have never had any issues. Yes, I get blown out sometimes, but that's baseball

[The Chef]

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There are games that I score all my runs on homers and other games that I score all my runs on no homers. As Armour always says these sliders are designed for a 162-game marathon, so trust the sliders, trust the ratings and simply enjoy the game.

For the record I'm not saying anything negative about the sliders, I use them otherwise I would have no reason to be posting in here in the first place. Having played over 100 games with these sliders I'm fairly satisfied with the results, my post was more that you can achieve results by just pressing X when batting but I've found I get even more offense at times and a bigger variety of hits by using swing influence. There is no right or wrong way in the end, just commenting on my success increasing from using influence and my lack of issues prior in regards to offensive productivity.

[JayD]

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I just put up 14 runs on 15 hits. Only one home run. Hit variety is definitely there.

[The Chef]

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I just put up 14 runs on 15 hits. Only one home run. Hit variety is definitely there.

I've had some really impressive offensive games as well. I started using swing influence exclusively 8 games ago now, unfortunately only went 4-4 over that stretch, but offensively I've been solid....

at Houston (L 6-5) - 13 Hits, 1 Double, 3 HR's
at Houston (W 12-9) - 19 Hits, 2 Doubles, 2 HR's
vs NYY (W 10-4) - 13 Hits, 1 Double, 3 HR's
vs NYY (W 7-6) - 11 Hits, 3 HR's
vs NYY (L 12-8) - 12 Hits, 3 Doubles, 2 HR's
vs NYY (L 7-3) - 10 Hits, 3 Doubles
vs Boston (L 6-4) - 13 Hits, 3 Doubles
vs Boston (W 11-3) - 17 Hits, 6 Doubles, 4 HR's

The HR's continue to be high, nothing I can do about that but at least they are coming from likely sources and not light hitting guys. That last game against Boston was the most rewarding as they had Steven Wright and his damn knuckleball on the mound. He completely shut me down in Boston earlier in the season so wasn't holding my breath the second time around. Well with swing influence I was able to put up 7 runs on him in 3 IP and just beat him up. My average on the season is a too high (.278) and my HR's per game (1.64) but I can at least rationalize it away since the two guys mashing both have high power ratings including Cruz and his 98 power vs LHP.

I find myself finishing one game and immediately wanting to fire up another. The decision to go with Seattle instead of my Dodgers has paid off, I have a feeling playing as LA would be a bit boring by now and I'd be running away with the division but as Seattle there are 4 teams in the division all above .500 and nobody outside of Oakland is more then 2 games back in the division.

EDIT - I should have mentioned some of my offensive results are a little skewed in that sample. The Yankees were content throwing the same relievers every single game and game 1 of the series those relivers were already coming in with low energy so no matter who they brought in it was a struggle for them to even locate pitches. Thus you see I scored a lot of runs until the last game of the series when they had Kazmir on the hill and he shut me down with his sinker and pitched so deep that they didn't need much from the bullpen. Game 1 against Boston I scored half my runs in the 8th and 9th off their bullpen and the second game was Steven Wright's implosion. So my stats look insanely high in some ways but it made sense in the context of what was going on in the game and the fact that my lineup is completely healthy for the first time in months.

[Armor and Sword]

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When you can't play just one game you know you are having a blast!!!!


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[Burgess]

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Just finished game 1 of my Mets franchise using "my approach". I won 3-1 in a pitchers duel between Syndergaard and Teheran. Cespedes hit a 2-run homer in 8th to break 1-1 tie. Syndergaard went 8 innings giving up an unearned run on 4 hits - all singles. Granderson booted a ball for a 3-base error. He struck out 4 and walked 1. I did not shake off my catcher once. I managed only 5 hits, with the only extra base hit being the homer in the 8th. This was a much different game than the first game of my Yankee franchise last night where I scored 7 runs and hit 4 homers. So there is a lot of variety with Armour's sliders and in this game.

And,as I mentioned, these results are from my hitting on AllStar and just pressing x all the time and on HOF pitching listening to the catcher all of the time and tapping x.

[forme95]

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I've been trying to use the L stick to influence hits better with the different button uses. It seems harder to get a hit using the stick. Balls that could have been gaps or down the lines (cause they go straight lol right Armor ) are going foul or going for a single or right to someone. Now I have some how always been able to influence my swings by swinging early or late with just the button (by pressing earlier or later). So should I try using the stick less because of this or try to train myself to use the stick and time the hit better? The directional hitting guide has made a big difference for me. Im using more buttons, getting great hit varieties, more patience. It has really made it more enjoyable that I have moved up in my testing with DD to hitting Veteran + and pitching All-Star on the verge of +. 2 more games to see and that is where I will start my play franchise at.

Pitching....... wow, I just cant wrap my head around classic. It is so random at times it seems. I use aides (which might be the problem) and I could repeat the exact same pitch, motion, and button press and I will get a "good" and the ball will be no where near where it was aimed and the other will be "very early" or "late" and be dead on or MLB close. When I was veteran+ I was good at staying close to where the aim was. When I graduated to All-Star it seems to be a wide variety on where the ball went. I was using Kluber for one game, and he looked like a A ball player fighting to get a position on a team lol. Guess its time to move on to the Classic pitching guide to see what I am doing wrong. The button hold seems totally random. I sinker pitch you could long tap and hit your mark. Then next pitch you have to hold it longer and then 3 pitches later its a medium hold. I actually had one pitch where I tapped it..... literally "tap" and it the feedback said "very late" and it correctly moved and went exactly where it was suppose to. 4 innings later, I threw it and held the button longer and it said "good" and went in the other batters box.

Overall, I am having a much more fun playing. Off to cram again in the Classic pitching thread lol.

[devrasec]

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I want to use your slider set, which OSFM version do you recommend to start my franchise?

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[forme95]

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I want to use your slider set, which OSFM version do you recommend to start my franchise?

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On the first page in the OP he has a section of recommended rosters to use. I use the OSFM 1.75 40 man with default contracts.

[tyler28]

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If you guys are having issues with hitting, try lowering the difficulty.

I went to dynamic difficulty and im having a blast. Im currently at vetren hitting and all start plus pitching.

Im a veteren player but all star seem a little hard to get hits for me this year. I also want to say that lowering the hitting difficulty hasnt changed the challenge from the ai. Its been really great and the sliders are working fantasticlly.

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[The Chef]

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I've been trying to use the L stick to influence hits better with the different button uses. It seems harder to get a hit using the stick. Balls that could have been gaps or down the lines (cause they go straight lol right Armor ) are going foul or going for a single or right to someone. Now I have some how always been able to influence my swings by swinging early or late with just the button (by pressing earlier or later). So should I try using the stick less because of this or try to train myself to use the stick and time the hit better? The directional hitting guide has made a big difference for me. Im using more buttons, getting great hit varieties, more patience. It has really made it more enjoyable that I have moved up in my testing with DD to hitting Veteran + and pitching All-Star on the verge of +. 2 more games to see and that is where I will start my play franchise at.

Pitching....... wow, I just cant wrap my head around classic. It is so random at times it seems. I use aides (which might be the problem) and I could repeat the exact same pitch, motion, and button press and I will get a "good" and the ball will be no where near where it was aimed and the other will be "very early" or "late" and be dead on or MLB close. When I was veteran+ I was good at staying close to where the aim was. When I graduated to All-Star it seems to be a wide variety on where the ball went. I was using Kluber for one game, and he looked like a A ball player fighting to get a position on a team lol. Guess its time to move on to the Classic pitching guide to see what I am doing wrong. The button hold seems totally random. I sinker pitch you could long tap and hit your mark. Then next pitch you have to hold it longer and then 3 pitches later its a medium hold. I actually had one pitch where I tapped it..... literally "tap" and it the feedback said "very late" and it correctly moved and went exactly where it was suppose to. 4 innings later, I threw it and held the button longer and it said "good" and went in the other batters box.

Overall, I am having a much more fun playing. Off to cram again in the Classic pitching thread lol.

Yeah I don't get classic at all this year, never had these issues before. I, like you, feel like classic pitching has become so completely random that it's anyone's guess if my pitches will go anywhere near where intended. I've tried everything I can think of, tapping, holding briefly, holding to the vibration and even went as far one night, out of pure frustration, to holding beyond the vibration and it was still completely random. Logically I'd think if a pitcher has a high control rating in his fastball I should be able to put some extra mustard on it so to speak and stand a good shot at it being at least around the vicinity of the target but instead I get pitches a foot off. Then the other side of the logic is that if I tap or barely hold and he has good control in that same pitch that it should be that much closer to the target. Yet in both instances they play out the same with the same regularity meaning complete random outcomes and not anywhere near what I'd expect out of a big league pitcher.

I won't change over to meter or any other interface but I will continue to jack up the control & consistency sliders if need be. Hats off to Armor as I don't know how he does it with no visual aides either, then again maybe not having the visual aide helps since you don't necessarily know how far off target a pitch missed by. Having said that I'm at the point where pitching has become a chore and a complete guessing game as to where a pitch might go, I feel like I've got a rotation of nothing but Rick Ankiel clones.

[BleacherCreature]

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Do you use the left stick and or square X and circle when hitting? I've been studying the Directional hitting post like I am cramming for a exam lol to try to get better. A lot of what I do is just the buttons and am trying to implement left stick input to it now too. My hitting is improving a lot just from that. I realized just hitting X and hoping wasn't going to do it lol.

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Using the left stick has improved my hitting immensely. The hit variety is also much better.


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