Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

Again too many posts "over there” are instant reactions based off minute sample sizes.

I have played over 100 games already between my various franchises and my experience has been very very consistent with the game through all the updates. I am going through the normal ebb and flow of a baseball season.....paralysis by analysis is so frequent these days.

Just my opinion.

I completely respect your opinion and knowledge in these forums. I guess i just dont understand the "Don't touch the sliders, this is the best version ever, embrace the game as-is and let the ebbs and flows play out naturally" idea, only to turn around and accept every gameplay patch, and then also accept any changes it produces as a natural ebb or flow. I havent touched sliders in my franchises in a long time either. And i see plenty of 100% natural ebbs and flows. It just seems like two opposing ideas to me. (And yes i personally agree that 18 is the best version of The Show ever).

This patch was clearly expressly designed to make hitting easier, so, it makes sense to assume that it does. That fact, coupled with reports from many people, including many OS mainstays, seeing the same thing immediately after the patch (including yourself, albeit only one game), it seems the patch 'may' have accomplished just that. I am not suggesting there will never be any more low-scoring games because there will be. Im also not suggesting the game is broken. Yes it is a small sample size and it is possible these are are all just coincidences. Baseball is a funny game.

I personally just like to play with the same slider set all season. With very minimal change, if any, throughout the year. So i am with you there. Let it play out. I embrace the many ebbs and flows of the many 162 game seasons i have played.

My point is simply that it just seems like accepting every gameplay patch (some of which have the actual express purpose of boosting the user) completely contradicts that very idea.

I guess time will tell though. Im really not sold either way. These are all just early indicators, as you also pointed out. Everything could very well be back to normal tomorrow. And hopefully between now and the next patch everyone isnt in the "flow" stage lol.

[KBLover]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

My point is simply that it just seems like accepting every gameplay patch (some of which have the actual express purpose of boosting the user) completely contradicts that very idea.

I guess time will tell though. Im really not sold either way. These are all just early indicators, as you also pointed out. Everything could very well be back to normal tomorrow. And hopefully between now and the next patch everyone isnt in the "flow" stage lol.

But...see...I've literally seen no change in my data across all the patch versions.

So either my sliders are "immune" in that whatever the game is trying to do "doesn't take" or I must play in a way that minimizes it because it's pretty much been the same game for me.

The biggest change for me has been me moving to Legend. Patches? Pfft. Nothing changing my experience for me in that regard other than things like animations, which are not influenced by sliders or minimally by skill.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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But...see...I've literally seen no change in my data across all the patch versions.

So either my sliders are "immune" in that whatever the game is trying to do "doesn't take" or I must play in a way that minimizes it because it's pretty much been the same game for me.

The biggest change for me has been me moving to Legend. Patches? Pfft. Nothing changing my experience for me in that regard other than things like animations, which are not influenced by sliders or minimally by skill.

I believe you and i trust your data because i know how you operate to some degree (A lot like me in certain ways) and i always enjoy your input. im really not taking a side if it seems like that. It is encouraging to know that your data has remained constant. I just cant understand being dogmatic in staying constant with sliders, yet accepting in good faith that patches will not have any unwanted effects.

I would understand more if someone was struggling with hitting, and this patch came along. I would jump all over it too. But if someone already is having great results, i am just not comprehending what the motivation is to get it. (I understand there are other issues like fielding addressed as well so i get that) That's all my point was. Im just longwinded haha.

Im actually glad to hear that your data hasn't changed any.

[jijohnson0223]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

Playing theses sliders and having a good time.

In my Twins franschise, I have nine players on the DL.
Seven with broken bones, one knee mcl tear and one shoulder seperation.

All 2+months.

Hey if u don’t mind, I’m playing with a twins franchise and I’m about 90 games in, curious how your season going w/l wise? I’m currently 48-41 and a half game back of Cleveland! Twins are an interesting team that I think could fluctuate pretty frequently

[nbacoventry]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

@nbacoventry It’s only my point of view but may i suggest you have a separate thread for this ? I will be one of your follower for sure, it’s always fun to follow a season progression ( even more when i started mine as a Blue jays as well ).

That way you won’t be scared to post those long boxscore as much as you want and a lot easier for us to follow you.

By experience i used to follow another another Sliders thread who’s posting as well ALL or most of his boxscore and it becomes very difficult to follow after a little while.

Just a little question, are you using Directional Hof /Classic Hof ?

Yes was thinking this morning about starting a separate thread for my franchise, looks like it's something I want to get into. Is it the Baseball Dynasties section of the forum the place to make a thread on this?

I am using HOF directional and Classic HOF with clean screen, and no vibration.

[VincesVictims]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

I completely respect your opinion and knowledge in these forums. I guess i just dont understand the "Don't touch the sliders, this is the best version ever, embrace the game as-is and let the ebbs and flows play out naturally" idea, only to turn around and accept every gameplay patch, and then also accept any changes it produces as a natural ebb or flow. I havent touched sliders in my franchises in a long time either. And i see plenty of 100% natural ebbs and flows. It just seems like two opposing ideas to me. (And yes i personally agree that 18 is the best version of The Show ever).

This patch was clearly expressly designed to make hitting easier, so, it makes sense to assume that it does. That fact, coupled with reports from many people, including many OS mainstays, seeing the same thing immediately after the patch (including yourself, albeit only one game), it seems the patch 'may' have accomplished just that. I am not suggesting there will never be any more low-scoring games because there will be. Im also not suggesting the game is broken. Yes it is a small sample size and it is possible these are are all just coincidences. Baseball is a funny game.

I personally just like to play with the same slider set all season. With very minimal change, if any, throughout the year. So i am with you there. Let it play out. I embrace the many ebbs and flows of the many 162 game seasons i have played.

My point is simply that it just seems like accepting every gameplay patch (some of which have the actual express purpose of boosting the user) completely contradicts that very idea.

I guess time will tell though. Im really not sold either way. These are all just early indicators, as you also pointed out. Everything could very well be back to normal tomorrow. And hopefully between now and the next patch everyone isnt in the "flow" stage lol.

Well I dont know about the hitting being easier after the patch. I just got one hit by the Marlins that had a pitcher that was 3-15 with 5.8 era. I've been in a huge slump at the plate before the patch and now after the patch.

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[Armor and Sword]

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Ok let me make it crystal clear.
Playing with Directional hitting and classic pitching and my clean screen, auto fielding, manual throwing with no meters etc.

The patches have not changed the game play experience for me the entire cycle thus far, thus there has been no need to adjust sliders.

IMO through playing well over 100 games through all these updates any intended “changes” to hitting has been ever so minimal.

The only real change I have seen is the ability to “ lift” pitches lower in the zone with high rated hitters who would/should have a much larger PCI. In Directional we don’t control nor see it the PCI placement. We rely on the dice roll/ratings algorithm.

I am not contradicting anything. It is exactly how I have felt about 18.

In fact 15, 16, 17, my experience with The Show series is updates have rarely forced me to drastically or even minimally change multiple sliders.

Maybe after another 60-70 games with 1.11, I may see a need. As of now?

Nope.

[bcruise]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

The only real change I have seen is the ability to “ lift” pitches lower in the zone with high rated hitters who would/should have a much larger PCI. In Directional we don’t control nor see it the PCI placement. We rely on the dice roll/ratings algorithm.

This, exactly, is how I feel about the update as a zone user. And, even though I do have more control using that mode, I'm not sure yet if I even need to worry about adjusting anything - my hitting stats don't seem bloated at all right now.

Time - and a lot more games played - will tell. But I'm not budging from what I was using pre-patch until I feel a need to.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

Morning Joe With The Show! Yankees Year 2 vs The Nationals (retro uni day, theme 2 day at the ball park edition). Streaming live. Strasburg vs Tanaka.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

Sorry about the stream disconnecting. Damn crazy thing when my disconnects from the show server it drops from twitch.

Anyway we ended up losing 5-4.

Great game!!


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[Rmiok222]

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Ill admit I had slideritus bad and I’m now at default with armors run speeds etc. I’m pathetic [emoji23]


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[richinspirit]

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Who said no hitters were in right now?!

My second in the show after a perfect game with Greinke back in 2009!

And yes, Matt Wisler has come on a long way in my hold over chise by 2019!!

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[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

Spoiler

Ok let me make it crystal clear.
Playing with Directional hitting and classic pitching and my clean screen, auto fielding, manual throwing with no meters etc.

The patches have not changed the game play experience for me the entire cycle thus far, thus there has been no need to adjust sliders.

IMO through playing well over 100 games through all these updates any intended “changes” to hitting has been ever so minimal.

The only real change I have seen is the ability to “ lift” pitches lower in the zone with high rated hitters who would/should have a much larger PCI. In Directional we don’t control nor see it the PCI placement. We rely on the dice roll/ratings algorithm.

I am not contradicting anything. It is exactly how I have felt about 18.

In fact 15, 16, 17, my experience with The Show series is updates have rarely forced me to drastically or even minimally change multiple sliders.

Maybe after another 60-70 games with 1.11, I may see a need. As of now?

Nope.

From your tone, my statement must have seemed combative. It wasn't meant to be. My point was also missed apparently, even though i have stated it three different times. My point had nothing to do with what any patch does 'after' you download it. Im sure all past patches are fine, and i hope every patch in the future will be wonderful. Im also not demanding you adjust your own sliders, or stating that your experience has changed. lol.

I dont have "Slideritis" either. I do enjoy testing them., but in my franchise i leave it consistent for that franchise once i start. I never make slider adjustments after only a few weeks of games. And i see very very realistic stats, including human strikeouts, walks, GIDP, etc. All within the MLB spectrum. Is every single tiny metric and whiff rate 100% perfect? no. It probably wont ever be. Are they the most realistic statistics in every major and most minor categories i have ever had playing MLB The Show? By far. All of that while still having an absolute blast. (and having just as many ebbs and flows). I just happen to get the added bonus of stats lining up very closely to MLB. I guess there is at least some benefit to being an "anal retentive stat nut" that you cant win with lol.

My only point (more of a musing than a point), one more time, is simply - i dont understand people being dogmatic that you leave the game alone and let it play out, and then accept every patch that comes along. Thats all.

Im not attacking anyone's philosophy.

I get what you are saying. Your personal experience with every MLB patch ever has been pristine. And you dont like touching sliders. I get it lol.

But, remember - and this is important - it helps that you have an it's "it is good enough" or "whatever" outlook about it. We should be remember that others (maybe not in this thread, so i probably posted in the wrong thread) may have a somewhat different outlook than this, and may enjoy when stats more closely match MLB. Yet, miraculously, we still have a blast with the game - and - get realistic stats. Both are doable.

I also completely understand the celebratory reaction and relief from people after each patch that it didnt change anything for the worse. Maybe no one here has ever had any MLB patch change anything of significance (17 anybody?). But others clearly have.

It really comes down to what you are looking for in the game. With an "it is (always) good enough/whatever" outlook, of course most patches short of breaking the game will not affect you, so it makes sense to accept every one. Heck, if a patch made this game into "Baseball Stars" or "Bases Loaded II" it would still be a blast to play. (Even for me) even without realistic stats. But for others who expect a little more, it just may effect them more - and it may not be that they are "whiners". Both scenarios are possible.

Either outlook is a great way to play the game. We just need to remember that both outlooks are represented here (probably even in this thread), and neither one of them are wrong. The main thing is to have fun. And i am amazed by this game more every day.

(I think i may just put my main point/musing in my signature so people dont think im attacking them or this great game! lol)

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Armor & Sword & Marino’s MLB The Show 18 Classic/Directional Simulation Sliders

From your tone, my statement must have seemed combative. It wasn't meant to be. My point was also missed apparently, even though i have stated it three different times. My point had nothing to do with what any patch does 'after' you download it. Im sure all past patches are fine, and i hope every patch in the future will be wonderful. Im also not demanding you adjust your own sliders, or stating that your experience has changed. lol.

I dont have "Slideritis" either. I do enjoy testing them., but in my franchise i leave it consistent for that franchise once i start. I never make slider adjustments after only a few weeks of games. And i see very very realistic stats, including human strikeouts, walks, GIDP, etc. All within the MLB spectrum. Is every single tiny metric and whiff rate 100% perfect? no. It probably wont ever be. Are they the most realistic statistics in every major and most minor categories i have ever had playing MLB The Show? By far. All of that while still having an absolute blast. (and having just as many ebbs and flows). I just happen to get the added bonus of stats lining up very closely to MLB. I guess there is at least some benefit to being an "anal retentive stat nut" that you cant win with lol.

My only point (more of a musing than a point), one more time, is simply - i dont understand people being dogmatic that you leave the game alone and let it play out, and then accept every patch that comes along. Thats all.

Im not attacking anyone's philosophy.

I get what you are saying. Your personal experience with every MLB patch ever has been pristine. And you dont like touching sliders. I get it lol.

But, remember - and this is important - it helps that you have an it's "it is good enough" or "whatever" outlook about it. We should be remember that others (maybe not in this thread, so i probably posted in the wrong thread) may have a somewhat different outlook than this, and may enjoy when stats more closely match MLB. Yet, miraculously, we still have a blast with the game - and - get realistic stats. Both are doable.

I also completely understand the celebratory reaction and relief from people after each patch that it didnt change anything for the worse. Maybe no one here has ever had any MLB patch change anything of significance (17 anybody?). But others clearly have.

It really comes down to what you are looking for in the game. With an "it is (always) good enough/whatever" outlook, of course most patches short of breaking the game will not affect you, so it makes sense to accept every one. Heck, if a patch made this game into "Baseball Stars" or "Bases Loaded II" it would still be a blast to play. (Even for me) even without realistic stats. But for others who expect a little more, it just may effect them more - and it may not be that they are "whiners". Both scenarios are possible.

Either outlook is a great way to play the game. We just need to remember that both outlooks are represented here (probably even in this thread), and neither one of them are wrong. The main thing is to have fun. And i am amazed by this game more every day.

(I think i may just put my main point/musing in my signature so people dont think im attacking them or this great game! lol)

Not combative at all. I am very firm and steadfast though in I will not get caught up in chasing stats and chasing sliders.

It is well known my approach....but more importantly those that interact with me on my streams get to find out what my personality is. That get’s lost in text. I am in no way taking offense.

I just want you to know......I am good with the game and good with some stats not being as close to real life.....because after playing sports video games for the last 38 years......I am looking for the experience and gameplay first and foremost and for the game to play as close to real life.....the statistics are a by product and most of the time they are pretty damn close.....but sometimes I will have outlier stats...and with The Show.....the legacy stats that seem to always be “off” are issuing walks to the CPU, striking out vs the CPU and hitting into DP’s more than the CPU. But that’s my take. Some like to pursue the statistical nirvana.

I simply don’t care to.

[tonyfire2001]

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Not combative at all. I am very firm and steadfast though in I will not get caught up in chasing stats and chasing sliders.

It is well known my approach....but more importantly those that interact with me on my streams get to find out what my personality is. That get’s lost in text. I am in no way taking offense.

I just want you to know......I am good with the game and good with some stats not being as close to real life.....because after playing sports video games for the last 38 years......I am looking for the experience and gameplay first and foremost and for the game to play as close to real life.....the statistics are a by product and most of the time they are pretty damn close.....but sometimes I will have outlier stats...and with The Show.....the legacy stats that seem to always be “off” are issuing walks to the CPU, striking out vs the CPU and hitting into DP’s more than the CPU. But that’s my take. Some like to pursue the statistical nirvana.

I simply don’t care to.

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