Slider guru help

[forme95]

Everything is at default currently. I want hitters to be smarter at the plate, and pitchers smarter throwing. Also, I want both sides to throw less pitches a inning. Right now, the avg for all hum and cpu pitchers is over 20+ a inning. Bonus would be lower HBP also.

I was thinking contact 6, control 6 and consistency 6. Will this make things better or just a null adjustment and I'll see no change?

I am at the end of spring, so idk if that may have anything to do with what I'm seeing.

[JoshC1977]

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Everything is at default currently. I want hitters to be smarter at the plate, and pitchers smarter throwing. Also, I want both sides to throw less pitches a inning. Right now, the avg for all hum and cpu pitchers is over 20+ a inning. Bonus would be lower HBP also.

I was thinking contact 6, control 6 and consistency 6. Will this make things better or just a null adjustment and I'll see no change?

I am at the end of spring, so idk if that may have anything to do with what I'm seeing.

Not sure what difficulty you're on; that'll be a factor (as it also would be if you use certain custom rosters).

I've messed with sliders; it's not worth it at all. I'm currently on AS+ default after making the mistake of making slider changes for a sizable chunk of games.

ST can give you a lot of weird matchups and dynamics - I would change nothing based on ST alone (even April games are not a good gauge IMO). My suggestion is to just dive into the reg season on defaults and re-evaluate at the end of June.

[forme95]

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Not sure what difficulty you're on; that'll be a factor (as it also would be if you use certain custom rosters).

I've messed with sliders; it's not worth it at all. I'm currently on AS+ default after making the mistake of making slider changes for a sizable chunk of games.

ST can give you a lot of weird matchups and dynamics - I would change nothing based on ST alone (even April games are not a good gauge IMO). My suggestion is to just dive into the reg season on defaults and re-evaluate at the end of June.

Thanks Josh. Im on AS, SDS live roster 4/29 no adjustments. This is for my manage mode franchise. My play one I am not so worried about these things because I can control more.
I wasnt planning on making any changes till after April if I decided to. Spring does play different. I wanted to start in spring to see if I could get good stories going. Prospect surprise, rough start veterans, etc. I think your right holding off till June and seeing. My thought by the purpose of the sliders would make players smarter, in turn making games more interesting. However, my understanding of the game leads me to believe it wont change anything.

[JoshC1977]

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Thanks Josh. Im on AS, SDS live roster 4/29 no adjustments. This is for my manage mode franchise. My play one I am not so worried about these things because I can control more.
I wasnt planning on making any changes till after April if I decided to. Spring does play different. I wanted to start in spring to see if I could get good stories going. Prospect surprise, rough start veterans, etc. I think your right holding off till June and seeing. My thought by the purpose of the sliders would make players smarter, in turn making games more interesting. However, my understanding of the game leads me to believe it wont change anything.

Manage mode may have nuances to them....but I really don't think so. I really tend to subconsciously focus on AI behavior when I play - there is so much dang variety once you start getting hot/cold streaks into play. April can be a bit "dull" in terms of outcomes, May gets better, June is where I think the game variety begins to blossom....and when I say variety, I don't just mean outcomes, but how the players play.

The funny thing about this game is that defaults really capture the essence of the current day game really well...for better or worse, depending on your POV. I'm personally not a fan of modern MLB, but at least in my franchise, I have decided to allow the game to replicate today's era and just roll with the punches as they come.

[forme95]

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Manage mode may have nuances to them....but I really don't think so. I really tend to subconsciously focus on AI behavior when I play - there is so much dang variety once you start getting hot/cold streaks into play. April can be a bit "dull" in terms of outcomes, May gets better, June is where I think the game variety begins to blossom....and when I say variety, I don't just mean outcomes, but how the players play.

The funny thing about this game is that defaults really capture the essence of the current day game really well...for better or worse, depending on your POV. I'm personally not a fan of modern MLB, but at least in my franchise, I have decided to allow the game to replicate today's era and just roll with the punches as they come.

It is one of the fun things about MoM I like. I love watching the animations and watching the gameplay and how the cpu goes through the motions. Its quite enjoyable. I broke my hand years back and have a plate and screws in it. I love my play franchise, but its hard to complete a season. After one game, its hard to play a second. MoM lets me get through multiple seasons.

[dowie]

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I can’t believe I am saying/doing this and maybe it’s my age or my struggle with trying to find a perfect slider set (no such thing, I know) has just exhausted me.

I recently started a test franchise on 22 (ps5) on dynamic level (locked in on all star + both pitch and hit).

Single team control, Retro view hit (directional) broadcast view pitch (classic), medium view/auto field & manual throw, manual baserunning.

ONLY slider adjustments are both pitch speeds to 7, trades at 3 (except July and Dec at 4) and injuries (play and sim) at 6.

Here’s what I found. Won some, lost some, hit barrages, dominant pitchers - it was all there for me.

BlueNGold’s AAA and AA stadiums are spectacular, so I am starting a real franchise with this set up and playing all MLB, AAA and AA games for the team I’ve selected.

Never done this before, but playing with my farm system in “real”minor league parks is too much to pass up (even though MLBTS 20 is better).

Decided on single team control, ONLY because I want to focus on my org and my org only.

Wherever the stats end up after the season (every pitch/every game), so be it. If anything looks way out of the relm of mlb averages, who cares. Only then will I maybe tweak sliders - then again I still might just let them be.

Dowie

[ILLICIT206]

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I can’t believe I am saying/doing this and maybe it’s my age or my struggle with trying to find a perfect slider set (no such thing, I know) has just exhausted me.

I recently started a test franchise on 22 (ps5) on dynamic level (locked in on all star + both pitch and hit).

Single team control, Retro view hit (directional) broadcast view pitch (classic), medium view/auto field & manual throw, manual baserunning.

ONLY slider adjustments are both pitch speeds to 7, trades at 3 (except July and Dec at 4) and injuries (play and sim) at 6.

Here’s what I found. Won some, lost some, hit barrages, dominant pitchers - it was all there for me.

BlueNGold’s AAA and AA stadiums are spectacular, so I am starting a real franchise with this set up and playing all MLB, AAA and AA games for the team I’ve selected.

Never done this before, but playing with my farm system in “real”minor league parks is too much to pass up (even though MLBTS 20 is better).

Decided on single team control, ONLY because I want to focus on my org and my org only.

Wherever the stats end up after the season (every pitch/every game), so be it. If anything looks way out of the relm of mlb averages, who cares. Only then will I maybe tweak sliders - then again I still might just let them be.

Dowie

Man, I’m in the same boat! I’ve played mostly on HOF and it either feels too easy or too hard. I’m thinking of taking Josh’s advice and trying out AS+ because he’s been adamant it just feels better than HOF. The reality that default is pretty spot on with small adjustments over time.

[dowie]

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Man, I’m in the same boat! I’ve played mostly on HOF and it either feels too easy or too hard. I’m thinking of taking Josh’s advice and trying out AS+ because he’s been adamant it just feels better than HOF. The reality that default is pretty spot on with small adjustments over time.

I’ve been stingy on Armor’s set up and his set up def works (probably more on 20 than 22)

Wouldn’t say all star + feels better per se, but I find it enjoyable (with default sliders) and it will probably hold up really well over 162 a little better (on 22). Only time will tell, but I’m going for it.

I’ve always thought Armor and Josh are spot on w/ their analysis. Both just look at the game a bit differently.

For 22, I am leaning toward Josh, and 20 is def Armor.

Dowie

[ILLICIT206]

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I’ve been stingy on Armor’s set up and his set up def works (probably more on 20 than 22)

Wouldn’t say all star + feels better per se, but I find it enjoyable (with default sliders) and it will probably hold up really well over 162 a little better (on 22). Only time will tell, but I’m going for it.

I’ve always thought Armor and Josh are spot on w/ their analysis. Both just look at the game a bit differently.

For 22, I am leaning toward Josh, and 20 is def Armor.

Dowie

Couldn’t agree more. I have an issue with starting over due to stats not feeling right, games feeling too easy/too hard. I need to just get started and make small adjustments and stop worrying so much! Lol

[dowie]

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Couldn’t agree more. I have an issue with starting over due to stats not feeling right, games feeling too easy/too hard. I need to just get started and make small adjustments and stop worrying so much! Lol

YES!!!! Easier said than done……I get it.
Just start and REFUSE to ever look back.

Think about it…..how often do u see a crazy stat line in baseball?

it’s a lot!

Teams don’t get to start over….they just wake up and do it again the next day.

I mean, Gerrit Cole no hit the Tigers for 7 Innings 2nite….should the Yanks increase the difficulty level or increase the cpu hitting sliders?

The Pirates beat up the Dodgers in a series ON THE ROAD……that isn’t right…….Should LA decrease the difficulty or increase their pitching and hitting sliders? 😀😀😀😀😀


Baseball is all about hot and cold streaks and the Show will give you that IF you let it, and play every game.

I’m really just preaching this to remind myself, moreso than telling anyone else

Dowie

[StonewallTexan]

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A couple of sliders, at least, should be adjusted if you want a realistic experience. Injuries (both played and simmed) need to be in the 8-10 range to allow for anything close to realistic injury rates (even accounting for smaller farm system in game). Similarly, errors are way too low on default (again, even allowing for the fact The Show does not always score errors correctly).

[forme95]

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Well I finished spring last night. Compared team spring stats to 21 team RL game stats. Sidebar: let me get this out of the way. I am not playing for real life MLB stats. (I will say it) You're a complete fool if you try to match/mirror MLBTS to RL MLB.
Back on topic now: I was curious to see mostly. Overall hitting was higher with pitchers falling under. MLBTS stats stayed in a good range but AVG, HR, H, SLG, plate appearances, were high while SO, BB were low. On the pitching side of it, ERA's were up (almost to high), SOs lower and BB higher. Now it could be because the cpu bullpen logic. The way they set the bullpen with the regular MRP in the RP slot, so they dont play unless you move them into the MRP spots. Which I do 10 games before the regular season, I went through and started putting who would start the season into bullpen. What I gathered by the stats are batters were more efficient then pitchers.

So on to regular season. No changes and see what happens month to month. My initial thought in the OP has changed to just upping pitch control and/or consistency and not touching contact.

IDK why I will add this, but Im a defensive guy. In football, ill drool over a 0-3, 3-7, 7-14, defensive game before I cheer for 37-41 type game. Baseball is the same way. I love pitchers duels forever over a HR fest game.

[forme95]

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I am going to lose my mind with the wild pitch and HBP. Seeing aces and good control guys plunking 2 or 3 hitters a outing is just insane. I think programming screwed up when they calculated hbp. At this rate pitchers will have career hbp in one season. Opening day, grienke has 2 through 5 innings and Bieber has 3. That's 5 in 5 inn's of a game. SDS needs to reevaluate its DP and HBPs. Unreal
Also, the problem isn't stamina, it's the program averaging 25+ pitches per inning. Ya, you'll see 5,7,9 , 15 pitch innings. You are guaranteed though to throw a 35+ bad inning every game. Could be the first inning. Could be the 5th. BUT, it will happen once a game no matter the ratings.
Please also remember this is manage mode not playing. With playing, you have more control of outcomes.

[dowie]

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Too many pitches p/inning has always plagued this series.

If you are patient at plate, a 20+ pitch per inning is easily accomplished.

When pitching l, it happens almost every inning, because if you keep ball in strike zone they make contact ALOT….and usually it doesn’t end well for you.

Hard to tell what causes this (hard coded OR player vision/contact ratings).

Hard to fix this, which is why I am just rolling w/default and not worrying about it.

#DontGoDownTheRabitHole

Dowie

[forme95]

Re: Slider guru help

Too many pitches p/inning has always plagued this series.

If you are patient at plate, a 20+ pitch per inning is easily accomplished.

When pitching l, it happens almost every inning, because if you keep ball in strike zone they make contact ALOT….and usually it doesn’t end well for you.

Hard to tell what causes this (hard coded OR player vision/contact ratings).


Hard to fix this, which is why I am just rolling w/default and not worrying about it.

#DontGoDownTheRabitHole

Dowie

I really believe it is hard coded. Your right, nothing you can do about it. Just venting lol. I'm strongly in the opinion that this may be the last show I buy regardless of what they put out or improve till they overhaul franchise. Seeing the same relievers a series, lack of bullpen, rotation, batting order, managing logic has finally gotten to me.