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  • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
    MVP
    • Jun 2016
    • 1354

    #1

    Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

    Hi fellas,

    So.. I have played OOTP 19 for a while, and with the help of KB (thanks KB) i have really enjoyed simming and stat-watching. I have focused more on minors and independent leagues so far, and really have not kept up with transactions, trades, etc. Being a stat-nerd i mainly have just studied that aspect until recently...

    I decided this time i wanted to be only a Manager for a team. Set lineups, rotations, etc... and let the CPU be my GM. Having never tried this, i was looking forward to at least a fairly believable/realistic experience as far as roster moves go. I always wanted to do this with The Show, but i was never happy with the AI there. That being said, here is what i am experiencing on OOTP 19, and i wanted to get some thoughts from you guys on it, and whether i could change anything to make this experience better. Or maybe tell me i am just overthinking it or being too picky...

    I decided i wanted to take over a lowly 2019 Rangers team, and see what i could accomplish. And I looked forward to see what the GM would give me to work with, and even looked forward to disagreeing with some GM moves.

    I decided to sim 2018 to get to 2019 before i took over. Rangers lost Choo in a trade, Beltre to retirement, Cole Hamels is also gone. Along with a few minor leaguers, they ended up with Hernan Perez as a backup 3B/LF and Jose Iglesias at 3B (had outside influence on this one. Neither CPU or myself chose this particular move..long story..) They also added Trevor Rosenthal to the bullpen. So far i am happy.

    I take over the Rangers in 2019 before Spring while there are still quite a few Free Agents left on the table. I looked for the GM to maybe add another piece or two somewhere. I secretly longed for Nelson Cruz lol but i didn't see this as a wise, or probable move, given my team should be in rebuilding mode, around all these young players.

    Here is my lineup, before i took over as manager..

    Delino Deshields CF
    Elvis Andrus SS (Drew Robinson/Isaiah Kiner-Falefa)
    Nomar Mazara RF
    Joey Gallo LF
    Ronald Guzman 1B
    Robinson Chirinos C (No decent backup)
    Rougned Odor 2B
    Jose Iglesias 3B
    Willie Calhoun/Hernan Perez DH/OF

    Rotation
    Mike Minor
    Matt Moore
    Martin Perez
    Edinson Volquez (maybe)
    Yohander Mendez (maybe)

    Bullpen stayed intact and is solid.

    Here is what happened after i took over as Manager, which was not long before Spring Training... (i use 20-80 scouting)...

    With many teams signing Free Agents to minor league contracts-
    -Rangers also signed cather free agent Chris Gimenez to a minor league deal, among other less-noteworthy deals. I am happy. I needed a decent backup.

    -Rangers sign free agent SP Charlie Morton (39 OVR) to minor league deal with major league $1.1 M. He had a 3.95 ERA in 2018. Ok...solid Veteran guy to help the rotation. Seems like he wouldn't need a minor league contract. But he is 35, so ok...

    -Rangers sign free agent 35 year old Joe Mauer 1 year $1M... not sure about this one. I like Joe but... why? I have a good young 1B (Guzman) with 55 power/55 contact 60 defense, (38 Overall but 51 Potential) He hit .325 in the minors in 2018 with 27 HR. Maybe the GM wants Joe to DH... starting to wonder...

    -Rangers sign free agent Nelson Cruz - 1 year $10.3 Million deal...(there went the Mauer DH idea) But i don't love it. Red flags are starting to go off. The odds of getting Cruz seemed really low to me, not to mention the $ for a non-contending team. Is the CPU focusing on making the Rangers win now, simply because i am controlling them?

    -Rangers sign free ageng SP Bryan Mitchell - 1 yr $8.6 Million.
    Ok... he is a 50 Ovr/50 Pot. Yes he is not an "Ace" but He is 27 and did have a 3.17 ERA in 2018. But...why? Why "my" team to spend almost $9M, when it seems that many contending teams should outbid a rebuilding team like the Rangers. Yes, this would make him the highest rated pitcher on my staff.. But i am starting to think the CPU is showing me favoritism and wants me as manager to win now... this seems an unlikely and unnecessary move...

    - Rangers aquire LF Yoenis Cespedes in a trade with the Mets for 28 year old minor league RP Tyler Wagner (28 Potential) and 20 year old minor league prospect CF Leody Taveras (20 Ovr/63 Potential).... What??

    Cespedes hit .317 with 20 HR in 2018. This is a move i could see if we were in the thick of things in July...and i had an injury on the team. LF is Gallo's, because 3B is taken. 1B is taken. DH is taken...I just dont get this move at all. And it seems to confirm all the red flags i have had over my first month of taking over as manager...

    The CPU GM seems to be piling players onto my team, and mine alone. No other trades have happened since i became manager. I am already not having fun. I like a realistic challenge. But, not whatever is going on here.

    Here are the only other 'Major Transactions' in MLB over that time span. (The Cespedes trade took place on March 15, which is where i still sit):

    -Twins sign SP Kyle Gibson - 1 year $2M
    -Pirates sign SS Jordy Mercer - 1 year $1M
    -Brewers sign Doug Fister - 1 year $1M

    Out of 7 'Major Transactions' this spring, the "rebuilding" Rangers have 4 of them, after i took over as Manager.

    The Rangers have spent $20 Million out of an MLB-wide total $24 Million in Free Agent deals on Major League contracts this Spring.

    And...if we add Cespedes' yearly $29M+ (for 3 more years) to that, that is approximately $50 million the Rangers have spent on veterans this spring from the beginning of camp thru 18 games since i took over as manager, while almost everyone else seems to be standing pat, except mostly minor league contracts to free agents. That just doesn't seem right at all.

    The new potential lineup...

    Elvis Andrus SS
    Nomar Mazara RF
    Yoenis Cespedes LF
    Nelson Cruz DH
    Joey Gallo CF
    Joe Mauer 1B
    Rougned Odor 2B
    Robinson Chirinos C
    Jose Iglesias 3B

    Bench
    Deshields CF
    Hernan Perez 3B/LF
    Ronald Guzman 1B

    Minors
    Willie Calhoun LF (Its time for him to be in the big leagues. 58 overall/ 65 potential. He hit .349 with 44 HR in minors in 2018)

    I apologize for this post being so long... but i wanted some feedback from you guys. I may even post on OOTP as well. I just want to know what is happening here. Why does the CPU GM AI seem to have almost all of its focus on "my" team? My fun meter has gone from Full to Nearly Empty in a whopping 18 games of Spring. Yes, i could be excited about the offensive output potential this team will have...But this sort of defeats the purpose of what i thought OOTP was about. Where am i going wrong? A setting i missed? Or in my own mind?
  • KBLover
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2009
    • 12172

    #2
    Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

    I'm not a manager but a GM so I don't know what's happening on manage only or what you mean by the CPU GM focusing on your team.

    Every team has a GM and they all make their decisions based on their tendencies and other variables. I don't think they are all colluding so the Rangers can win the pennant.

    Do you have scouting on? How good is your scouting director? What is your GM's (and Owner's) focus? What is your scouting budget for ML level?

    I ask because if scouting is on, it might not be perfectly accurate ratings. GMs also value scouting a varying degree, which can be altered by settings with the ratings vs stats and how much of each, etc. The GM may also be trying to fill owner goals, if you have those enabled. Perhaps he got a goal to increase your team HR or runs scored or such. Or "Win the World Series soon" (that's literally a goal, trust me - "build a team that can win a championship by X year").

    But, like I said, I don't have a lot of experience as manager only as I usually go the other way - GM and either let the manager set the lineups with the relevant actions from the lineup menu or the pitching staff/depth, etc.


    I don't know what to tell you for your settings (especially since I don't know what your current settings are...and I don't usually give specific settings just like I don't for sliders in The Show), but I can say there's no shortage of activity as a GM.

    I may try a save as manager only to see if I see what you do.

    Otherwise, maybe start a new Quickstart and see what happens.
    Last edited by KBLover; 03-12-2019, 04:46 PM.
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    • KBLover
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 12172

      #3
      Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

      Started a manager save as Rockies. Did the default settings for a MLB world, put in the NPB and USA/JP independent leagues. Raised injuries to High. Scouting accuracy to High, 20-80 scales, OVR based on all players and relative to MLB.

      Season was decent - other than the total schizophrenia about who plays 1st base.

      Now in 2018-19 offseason.

      Blue Jays signed away Charlie Blackmon ($22.8M/yr).
      Angels signed Josh Donaldson($23m/yr).
      Lots of other minor signings. Rockies have exactly one so far.

      Winter Meetings starting.

      Kershaw to Cardinals - 23 M/yr
      Daniel Murphy to Angels - 13 M/yr
      Harper to Blue Jays - 25M/yr
      Machado to Rays (!) - 22M/yr

      Rockies still with one lone signing though they extended Arenado and Joc Pederson, who they picked up near the trading deadline.

      Grandal to Angels (geez, Angels lol) - 17M/yr


      I can say that at least in this offseason, I didn't see Rockies being able to get all the good players and such. I don't know what happened in your save, but I didn't see it.
      "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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      • WaitTilNextYear
        Go Cubs Go
        • Mar 2013
        • 16830

        #4
        Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

        Issue might be OP is focusing on stuff that's happened in the "spring" of 2019, when most of the cpu teams are hard at work doing transactions in Nov/Dec 2018 and Jan/Feb 2019. If you widen your window out to include the entire offseason, I bet it's not just the Rangers doing stuff. It might also be wise to click on the 'allow AI teams to make transactions' or whatever it's called just in case you disallowed that at some point.

        As for your GM's moves, KBLover already said it best. Your GM might be trying to accomplish certain owner goals to save his job. Might have certain tendencies like "favor veterans" etc.
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        • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
          MVP
          • Jun 2016
          • 1354

          #5
          Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

          Thank you KB. I appreciate you running one and seeing what happens. Maybe its just one of those weird things, but just happened to occur on my first go as a Manager.

          As for your questions,

          I do have scouting on. My scouting director has 25 years experience and Reputation is listed as Great. The Total Scouting budget is $14.4 M. For Major League its $5.9 M (41%) - i have no international leagues in this world. Only MLB and affiliates.

          Under 'Goals' this is what I see:

          2019 Play close to .500 ball this season
          2019 Upgrade at Centerfield this season
          2019 Sign Trevor Rosenthal to an extension this season.
          2022 Keep building your team up, in order to reach the playoffs.

          Almost seems like my GM forgot to read the goals at all so far.

          Not sure what is going on but i get the feeling the GM is rebelling against 'building' till 2022 lol.

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          • WaitTilNextYear
            Go Cubs Go
            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #6
            Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

            Originally posted by NolanRyansSnowmonkey
            Under 'Goals' this is what I see:

            2019 Play close to .500 ball this season
            2019 Upgrade at Centerfield this season
            2019 Sign Trevor Rosenthal to an extension this season.
            2022 Keep building your team up, in order to reach the playoffs.

            Almost seems like my GM forgot to read the goals at all so far.

            Not sure what is going on but i get the feeling the GM is rebelling against 'building' till 2022 lol.
            Play .500 ball and keep building team up both explain the influx of veterans to some extent (although the build your team up one always seems to be there in some form). Upgrade at CF...you don't think Gallo is an upgrade? lol
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            • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
              MVP
              • Jun 2016
              • 1354

              #7
              Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

              Forgot to add this.

              GM roster strategy. ( approximation % of a full bar):

              Favor Veterans/Prospects is just over 50% toward Prospects
              Favor Pitching/Fielding just over 50%
              Favor Defense/Offense 50%
              Favor Speed/Power approx 33% (toward speed)
              Favor AVG/OBP 99%

              Scout Value 45%
              Current Stats 50%
              Last years stats 80%
              2 yr stats 80%

              Trade freq 85%
              Trade agressiveness 90%
              Player Loyalty 75%
              Trading Preference 25% (closer to Rookies)

              Prospect Development value 33%
              Scouting value 80%

              Hope how i wrote that made sense...

              As for other roster moves prior to me becoming manager, i saw nothing i wasn't pleased with. Other teams made moves, as did the Rangers. It was only after i became manager that i started seeing an influx of free agents and an odd Cespedes trade (in my opinion). Other teams have still been making roster moves, but nothing newsworthy. But the Rangers have been monopolizing MLB Network Breaking News since i became manager lol. Again it very well could be just one of those unusual things that just happened to occur on my first go at managing, which just made it seem much worse than it is.

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              • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                MVP
                • Jun 2016
                • 1354

                #8
                Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

                Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                Play .500 ball and keep building team up both explain the influx of veterans to some extent (although the build your team up one always seems to be there in some form). Upgrade at CF...you don't think Gallo is an upgrade? lol
                Yeah i guess the .500 ball goal would need some veterans added until built up. Just seems like overkill, adding Mauer, Cruz, Cespedes all at once. Especially for all that money. By the time 2022 gets here (the playoff goal) Cespedes $29M/yr contract will be over/retired and Cruz and Mauer will be retired as well. $50M seems like a lot to spend for a year of .500 ball. Especially when they finished only 6 games below .500 last year. And the Preseason Predictions (before any of these moves i have mentioned) predicted an 82-80 finish for 2019

                But i could be wrong on the amount one should spend to reach .500 ball. Im not super well-versed on contract sizes yet.

                As far as Gallo in CF...Well in a weird way... yes i guess he is a upgrade, power-wise lol. Except i dont consider CF a power position. (Maybe thats why im not GM lol.) Deshields is rated way better defensively at CF. I would rather keep Gallo's power in LF and let Deshields handle CF like he does so well. (And keep my high potential CF prospect for 2020 - 2022 as that CF upgrade. But they traded him away for Cespedes..)...( however the owner didn't say 2020 - 2022 lol)... (Guess thats why i am not the owner!)

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                • KBLover
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 12172

                  #9
                  Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

                  Originally posted by NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                  Yeah i guess the .500 ball goal would need some veterans added until built up. Just seems like overkill, adding Mauer, Cruz, Cespedes all at once. Especially for all that money. By the time 2022 gets here (the playoff goal) Cespedes $29M/yr contract will be over/retired and Cruz and Mauer will be retired as well. $50M seems like a lot to spend for a year of .500 ball. Especially when they finished only 6 games below .500 last year. And the Preseason Predictions (before any of these moves i have mentioned) predicted an 82-80 finish for 2019

                  But i could be wrong on the amount one should spend to reach .500 ball. Im not super well-versed on contract sizes yet.

                  As far as Gallo in CF...Well in a weird way... yes i guess he is a upgrade, power-wise lol. Except i dont consider CF a power position. (Maybe thats why im not GM lol.) Deshields is rated way better defensively at CF. I would rather keep Gallo's power in LF and let Deshields handle CF like he does so well. (And keep my high potential CF prospect for 2020 - 2022 as that CF upgrade. But they traded him away for Cespedes..)...( however the owner didn't say 2020 - 2022 lol)... (Guess thats why i am not the owner!)

                  You can take a look at your payroll and stuff - maybe the Rangers had plenty to spend - might as well spend it if they can stay profitable and have most key players under team control.

                  I would agree with Gallo. I wouldn't put him in CF, defensively speaking.

                  I mean, you could argue that paying $24 M extension for a 39-year old SP is ridiculous. But I have a $400 M budget and payroll is currently less than half that *with* the signing.

                  One thing about OOTP, it does make some odd moves at times, which is actually more realistic. Not like we don't scratch (or shake) our heads at moves our teams make irl.

                  And I think what WTNY was getting at is that if you had joined the Rangers in, say, November, you would have seen all those moves while managing. When you joined in March, the end of the offseason, everyone shot their bullets so the Rangers might have been biding their time. Might be how they pulled those trades (or why - other teams cutting some salary, etc.).

                  Granted, trading your top CF seems silly to do, but that's baseball sometimes. I think we want realism so much that we forget idiocy is often more realistic than what we want to see for "realism".
                  "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                  • WaitTilNextYear
                    Go Cubs Go
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 16830

                    #10
                    Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

                    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put Joey Gallo in CF either. But, I like the way your GM thinks. Owner goal is upgrade at CF? Gallo, get yer butt out there! That GM gets stuff done!
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                    • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2016
                      • 1354

                      #11
                      Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

                      Originally posted by KBLover
                      You can take a look at your payroll and stuff - maybe the Rangers had plenty to spend - might as well spend it if they can stay profitable and have most key players under team control.

                      I would agree with Gallo. I wouldn't put him in CF, defensively speaking.

                      I mean, you could argue that paying $24 M extension for a 39-year old SP is ridiculous. But I have a $400 M budget and payroll is currently less than half that *with* the signing.

                      One thing about OOTP, it does make some odd moves at times, which is actually more realistic. Not like we don't scratch (or shake) our heads at moves our teams make irl.

                      And I think what WTNY was getting at is that if you had joined the Rangers in, say, November, you would have seen all those moves while managing. When you joined in March, the end of the offseason, everyone shot their bullets so the Rangers might have been biding their time. Might be how they pulled those trades (or why - other teams cutting some salary, etc.).

                      Granted, trading your top CF seems silly to do, but that's baseball sometimes. I think we want realism so much that we forget idiocy is often more realistic than what we want to see for "realism".
                      All great points, including WTNY. I hear what you're saying. I like that it is unpredictable and i was actually looking foward to being forced to work with the GM gave me, outside my control. But i didn't expect bringing in a load of famous veterans lol. But like you say, every year real GM's make us scratch ou heads at some point. I think i was just looking forward to watching guys scrap for positions for a year or two.

                      As far as budget goes.. (which i am still learning about)

                      Money for free agents, before this, was $75M i believe. Money for extensions $94M

                      Team focus - neutral.

                      I admittedly have a lot to learn about the financial part of the Front Office.

                      Either way, i do have a Quickstart saved, from the day i became Manager. I may run that a couple of times and see what happens. If i run a Quickstart for a while, then click "Save" will it save over my current game or can i continue both? I have been afraid to try, in fear i will lose my current one. Ive never tried running two games at once from the same Quickstart. I cant find a "Save as" to differentiate between the two. When i save my current game, (which is from a Quickstart) it saves as Rangers 2019, which is the original name i used. Seems like if i 'Save' my new Quickstart it would save under the same name... is there a way around that? Or am i looking at it wrong?

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                      • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2016
                        • 1354

                        #12
                        Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

                        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                        Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put Joey Gallo in CF either. But, I like the way your GM thinks. Owner goal is upgrade at CF? Gallo, get yer butt out there! That GM gets stuff done!
                        Lol. "Easy money! Give me something harder next time, Boss!" "What? You need an upgrade at 2B? Elvis, move to 2B. Done. What next?"

                        Haha.

                        However, if this was real life i don't think i would lose too much by putting Gallo in CF. He has proven to be at the very least an above average CF. But unfortunately his ratings in the game don't reflect that. I look for them to be improved somewhat for OOTP XX though. Can't wait!

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                        • KBLover
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 12172

                          #13
                          Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

                          Originally posted by NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                          Either way, i do have a Quickstart saved, from the day i became Manager. I may run that a couple of times and see what happens. If i run a Quickstart for a while, then click "Save" will it save over my current game or can i continue both?



                          It would overwrite. What I do is close the game and then go into my OS and make a copy of the save folder.

                          So like if I had a Quickstart named "Ohtani" (it's the actual name of my Angels save lol) it's here: I:\OOTP19Data\saved_games\Ohtani.lg

                          So if I wanted to copy that, I'd create a new folder under saved_games in that path.

                          I:\OOTP19Data\saved_games\IchiroLover.lg

                          Then I take all the folders and files inside Ohtani.lg and copy them to IchiroLover.lg

                          Then when I open the game back up, I should be able to load IchiroLover and open my copy of my game.
                          "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                          • NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2016
                            • 1354

                            #14
                            Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

                            Originally posted by KBLover
                            It would overwrite. What I do is close the game and then go into my OS and make a copy of the save folder.

                            So like if I had a Quickstart named "Ohtani" (it's the actual name of my Angels save lol) it's here: I:\OOTP19Data\saved_games\Ohtani.lg

                            So if I wanted to copy that, I'd create a new folder under saved_games in that path.

                            I:\OOTP19Data\saved_games\IchiroLover.lg

                            Then I take all the folders and files inside Ohtani.lg and copy them to IchiroLover.lg

                            Then when I open the game back up, I should be able to load IchiroLover and open my copy of my game.
                            Great info KB thanks!

                            That is exactly what i needed to hear.
                            I will do that, and try this again and see how my GM J.D. handles things differently. Im curious.

                            In the meantime i can rename this bad boy "C:\OOTP19Data\saved_games\TheBOOMSTICKisBack. lg"

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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #15
                              Re: Is the CPU GM more focused on my team than others?

                              Originally posted by NolanRyansSnowmonkey
                              All great points, including WTNY. I hear what you're saying. I like that it is unpredictable and i was actually looking foward to being forced to work with the GM gave me, outside my control. But i didn't expect bringing in a load of famous veterans lol. But like you say, every year real GM's make us scratch ou heads at some point. I think i was just looking forward to watching guys scrap for positions for a year or two.

                              As far as budget goes.. (which i am still learning about)

                              Money for free agents, before this, was $75M i believe. Money for extensions $94M

                              Team focus - neutral.

                              I admittedly have a lot to learn about the financial part of the Front Office.

                              Either way, i do have a Quickstart saved, from the day i became Manager. I may run that a couple of times and see what happens. If i run a Quickstart for a while, then click "Save" will it save over my current game or can i continue both? I have been afraid to try, in fear i will lose my current one. Ive never tried running two games at once from the same Quickstart. I cant find a "Save as" to differentiate between the two. When i save my current game, (which is from a Quickstart) it saves as Rangers 2019, which is the original name i used. Seems like if i 'Save' my new Quickstart it would save under the same name... is there a way around that? Or am i looking at it wrong?
                              That's a lot of excess cash, too. It might be interesting as you experiment if you edit your team's budget to be more shoestring and see how that affects your GM's process. Unless you're playing Challenge Mode, in which case you probably wouldn't be able to edit your team's finances...not sure.

                              As for the Quickstart, KBLover has given you good advice already. To add to it--whenever you start up from a Quickstart, you get prompted to enter a file name for your save file. Unless you use the same file name over and over, it shouldn't overwrite anything. You can always start over with that Quickstart at the OOTP menu screen.
                              Last edited by WaitTilNextYear; 03-13-2019, 12:42 AM.
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