Stat-based question

[Blzer]

Okay, I'm doing statistics for my little sister's traveling team this summer, and I have run into a problem and don't know what to officially score it. Here's the scenario:

Runners on 1st and 2nd, one out. The batter bunts to the pitcher, who throws the ball to first base. The batter would have been out, but nobody was covering (first baseman charged, second baseman remained stationary). The ball goes into the outfield, the batter-runner goes to 2nd, and the other two runners score.

I just want to know what I should give the batter? Understand the situation once again... if the pitcher held it, the batter would have beat out the play, because nobody was covering. In that instance, is that a single, or an E4 (because the second baseman should have been covering) and a sacrifice? I know they advanced on an E1 (pitcher's throw), but what about the batter reaching first? Single, or sac & error?



Thanks for anyone that can answer this. I might have some more stat questions down the road. Actually, I do have two others right now... how do you credit (or discredit) a batter for batter's interference and defensive interference?

Thanks again.

[bkrich83]

Re: Stat-based question

Okay, I'm doing statistics for my little sister's traveling team this summer, and I have run into a problem and don't know what to officially score it. Here's the scenario:

Runners on 1st and 2nd, one out. The batter bunts to the pitcher, who throws the ball to first base. The batter would have been out, but nobody was covering (first baseman charged, second baseman remained stationary). The ball goes into the outfield, the batter-runner goes to 2nd, and the other two runners score.

I just want to know what I should give the batter? Understand the situation once again... if the pitcher held it, the batter would have beat out the play, because nobody was covering. In that instance, is that a single, or an E4 (because the second baseman should have been covering) and a sacrifice? I know they advanced on an E1 (pitcher's throw), but what about the batter reaching first? Single, or sac & error?



Thanks for anyone that can answer this. I might have some more stat questions down the road. Actually, I do have two others right now... how do you credit (or discredit) a batter for batter's interference and defensive interference?

Thanks again.

E1, sac and error.


Defensive/catchers interference does not count as an at bat, and I believe you charge the offending fielder/catcher an error.

Batters interference counts as an at bat if memory serves.

[Blzer]

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Thanks. Do you know if you give a putout to a position player on batter's interference? Someone told me you give the batter a strikeout, but I don't believe that for a second.

[bkrich83]

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Thanks. Do you know if you give a putout to a position player on batter's interference? Someone told me you give the batter a strikeout, but I don't believe that for a second.

I actually believe the batter gets a k, and the catcher gets the putout on the attempted throw. For instance if a runner is stealing second, and the batter is called for interference, the batter gets a k and you score the put out at 2nd as 2-4 (CS)

[Blzer]

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Awesome. One more for question for you (for now). If a new pitcher comes in for a pitcher that left runners on base, when the third out is retired, who is given the LOB runners? The first pitcher or the second?

[philliesfan980]

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Awesome. One more for question for you (for now). If a new pitcher comes in for a pitcher that left runners on base, when the third out is retired, who is given the LOB runners? The first pitcher or the second?

You're talking about the "runners stranded" situation right? I believe the second pitcher gets credit for stranding the runners.

If you watch a lot of baseball, you'll notice that when a relief pitcher comes in the game, they often show the "inherited runners % that score" statistic. It's valuable, because it truely shows how well the relief pitcher is at not allowing runs to score.

[Blzer]

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Gracias.

I'll come up with random examples along the way, just to make sure I have everything right. Yesterday there was another sacrifice bunt attempt, but it was a runner on third. This was not a squeeze play, though the runner should have ran home the instant the throw was made to first. She did not, but a runner that was on second was going to third making that assumption that she was going home, and while she was in a rundown and safely made it to third, the runner scored.

Sacrifice? RBI?

[Cletus]

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Gracias.

I'll come up with random examples along the way, just to make sure I have everything right. Yesterday there was another sacrifice bunt attempt, but it was a runner on third. This was not a squeeze play, though the runner should have ran home the instant the throw was made to first. She did not, but a runner that was on second was going to third making that assumption that she was going home, and while she was in a rundown and safely made it to third, the runner scored.

Sacrifice? RBI?

was there a runner on 1st or were there just runners on 2nd and 3rd? Just so you know, there's technically no perfect standard of scoring and statistics, so if you're trying to be perfect then you are probably just going to get confused by everything.

[Blzer]

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No runner on first. They would have just gone home with the force out that way.

I'm just trying to get stuff right, here. I'm literally doing all kinds of statistics, including hit charts, sabermetrics, etc.

[Blzer]

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Okay, I guess I'm officially crossed up on this one, but always thought I had it right before.

Similar to my LOB question, when a new pitcher comes with runners on and they score, obviously the preceding pitcher gets some earned or unearned runs against him. But does the pitcher that came in get the RUNS charged against him? As in... in the runs allowed category?

[Blzer]

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Okay, here's one:

Runner on, sac bunt attempt. They go for the lead runner instead of the batter-runner, that runner is safe. End result, all runners are safe, though they could have gotten the batter-runner.

Single? Sac? Fielder's choice?

[Blzer]

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Okay... runner on third, one out. Sac bunt attempt up the third base line. The third baseman picks it up, looks the runner back to third, and throws it to first late as the runner is safe. Had the third baseman not looked back to third, she would have recorded the out at first.

Hit or sac (due to a fielder's choice)?

[CMH]

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Okay, I guess I'm officially crossed up on this one, but always thought I had it right before.

Similar to my LOB question, when a new pitcher comes with runners on and they score, obviously the preceding pitcher gets some earned or unearned runs against him. But does the pitcher that came in get the RUNS charged against him? As in... in the runs allowed category?

I believe this is what the Inherited Runners Scored stat is for because runners on base prior to an appearance do not get credited against the relief pitcher.