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  • spit_bubble
    MVP
    • Nov 2004
    • 3292

    #1

    An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

    We are sort of stuck between releases so obviously this idea is too late for 2009, but hopefully it'll make it into future releases.

    Adding old time players and stadiums to the game is kind of nice, and allowing people to edit players so that they can create whoever they want is also kind of cool. There is however, a much better way to inject the grand history of Major League Baseball into video games: a Classic Playoff Mode.

    This mode would allow you to pit teams from different eras in a full fledged playoffs to determine just which team was the greatest of all time. It could be done by allowing people to create teams and save them to the hard drive as a separate file, so that unlimited teams could be made. These individual team files could then be loaded into a Classic Playoff Mode. One that offered a unique presentation to help distinguish it from the modern game.

    The playoffs could be set up as seen fit by the user, including the numbers of rounds as well as the number of games per round, so as to replicate the different playoff setups throughout history. There could also be different slider sets that helped shape the game by era, whether it be the steroid era, the dead ball era, the pitchers era of the 1960s, etc.

    Other possible additions to this mode, as well as the game as a whole, could be a uniform editor and a stadium editor. These two things could serve both the aforementioned Classic Playoff Mode and the standard Franchise Mode.

    The main thing to consider for a Classic Playoff Mode would be the sense of authenticity. To be done right it would have to be done with care and consideration, and not just thrown in as an extra thing to tinker around with.

    Baseball, more than any other sport, is tied to it's history. It is time for this history to be properly recognized in video games. It might even be feasible for a company to pay tribute with a release entirely separate from the annual spring release. Whatever the case, it is time.
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  • LingeringRegime
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jun 2007
    • 17089

    #2
    Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

    That is a great idea. I used to do a similar thing with Micro League Baseball back in the day on my Commodore 64. Maybe for The Show 2010.

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    • spit_bubble
      MVP
      • Nov 2004
      • 3292

      #3
      Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

      Originally posted by DEFTFUNDAMENTALZ
      ...Maybe for The Show 2010.
      I personally would like to see a separate game, released in the fall. 2K Sports had the World Series edition of their MLB title a few years ago, but calling that game paltry would be giving it too much credit.

      Ideally a separate game would be released once a company feels comfortable with their game, to the point where they don't have much they could add to it to make it better. They could then turn their focus on extracting all the needed components and building a game that properly honored the great teams of the past.

      Waiting towards the end of a consoles life would also be beneficial, because it would maximize the possible returns on such a game.

      They could just edit in the teams, perhaps one per franchise to give the game a solid foundation, also allowing users to create as many teams as they wanted as noted in my original post. Then they maybe add in a few more old time stadiums, some extra lines of commentary, a few new cut scenes...

      Plus, I think they could easily get away without a franchise mode or a season mode. Reserving those two modes for their "normal" annual release would help maintain a high level of interest in that game without diminishing the appeal of a one time Classic Playoff game.

      Marketed right, and released at the proper time of the year, it could draw a lot of attention from gamers of all ages and become a great success.
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      • spit_bubble
        MVP
        • Nov 2004
        • 3292

        #4
        Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

        Bump...

        In case this slipped the attention of any developers out there...

        Hello? DrJones?
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        • DrJones
          All Star
          • Mar 2003
          • 9109

          #5
          Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

          Originally posted by koshi
          Bump...

          In case this slipped the attention of any developers out there...

          Hello? DrJones?
          It'd be nice if I could choose what type of game to make. I don't have that power, that's in the hands of publishers.

          Classic baseball games are a tough sell to execs because of licensing. There are a limited number of retired players and old stadiums you can use through the Cooperstown Collection, all others have to be negotiated on a player-by-player basis and is a real hassle.

          I wouldn't completely rule it out in the future, but no time soon. Because of the economy, most game companies are cutting back (there's likely to be another round of layoffs at EA this week, in fact). Unfortunately, I can see publishers becoming even more conservative (ie, more sequels, fewer original IP's) for the next year or two until (if?) the economy stabilizes.
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          Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
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          DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
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          yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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          • spit_bubble
            MVP
            • Nov 2004
            • 3292

            #6
            Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

            "...most game companies are cutting back..."

            Yeah I keep reading this.

            "...Classic baseball games are a tough sell to execs because of licensing..."

            Perhaps it could be pitched/promoted as selling the teams and not the players. This way individual player licensing could be avoided.

            The Big Red Machine versus Murderer's Row, etc.
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            • playball11
              Rookie
              • Feb 2003
              • 84

              #7
              Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

              I would really like to see an "Old Time " baseball game with lots of classic players and vintage stadiums. I feel the only way it's going to get done will be by way of a separate game and company. The current guys (Sony & 2K), are too wrapped up in online play and franchise modes. I don't think these modes would be necessary in this type of game. Let's hope some company takes charge.

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              • 7stringking
                Banned
                • Oct 2006
                • 269

                #8
                Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

                I agree...Sports games need this...BAD

                Who wouldn't want to play the early 90's Boys and Niners games when they count?...Or the 85 bears vs the mid 80's Giants?

                The 90's Bulls vs the 90's Suns?

                The .......well, you know

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                • spit_bubble
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 3292

                  #9
                  Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

                  If companies out there don't see the window of opportunity for a Classic Playoff Baseball Video Game afforded them by Arod's admission... Then they are truly blind. This window will likely stay open for quite a while too. Modern baseball will not escape the steroids talk for some time, and a Classic Playoff Baseball Video Game would provide a great refuge for baseball gamers.

                  This thing is practically gift wrapped... On a tee, if you will. There is no excuse.

                  A quick recap:

                  - Sell the teams, not the players... Thus avoiding individual player licensing.

                  - Don't half a** it. Do something MLB should have been doing the past 15 years: show the game some respect. Give users the flexibility to edit in the names and create teams not in the game, at the very least. (edit: an unlimited number of user created teams too... Not making use of the HDD would certainly qualify as half a**ing it)

                  - Play your cards right: release it at the right time (September/October), market it just enough... Using the same class and dignity required in the game's development.

                  - Avoid haste... No need to release the game this year or even next. You have time, and haste will only lead to squander.
                  Last edited by spit_bubble; 02-10-2009, 05:12 PM.
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                  • spit_bubble
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 3292

                    #10
                    Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

                    Originally posted by koshi
                    "...Classic baseball games are a tough sell to execs because of licensing..."

                    Perhaps it could be pitched/promoted as selling the teams and not the players. This way individual player licensing could be avoided.

                    The Big Red Machine versus Murderer's Row, etc.
                    You could also dangle the idea of downloadable content in front of the execs... Like new teams and stadiums... That might get them drooling:

                    Of course you'd also have to ax the ability for users to create their own teams, which would likely disappoint a lot of people... Including myself. But if it was necessary for the game to come out at all, then I'd be for it.



                    And maybe there could even be an "Editing Pack" as the final piece of downloadable content, which would let people edit their own teams as well as play other user's edited teams.
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                    • inkcil
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5253

                      #11
                      Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

                      For some reason the companies making todays games don't see a need to incorporate additional play modes like this. The Show JUST got a practice mode (for only hitting/running) and STILL wont put in a regular playoff mode, much less a classic one. Heck, they won't even put in the WBC.

                      I wish these companies would wake up and smell the coffee. Ur idea is great.
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                      • spit_bubble
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 3292

                        #12
                        Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

                        Originally posted by inkcil
                        For some reason the companies making todays games don't see a need to incorporate additional play modes like this...
                        I think mainly it's because videogame companies are more hustler than they are artisan.
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                        • chuckm1961
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 1429

                          #13
                          Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

                          No, it's because there are huge, expensive issues in getting the rights to use older players in games.

                          Plus, the market for such a game would be very loyal (I would LOVE it) but tiny.

                          $$$$ rules in a capitalist system, not art. Sorry.
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                          • spit_bubble
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 3292

                            #14
                            Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

                            Originally posted by chuckm1961
                            No, it's because there are huge, expensive issues in getting the rights to use older players in games.

                            Plus, the market for such a game would be very loyal (I would LOVE it) but tiny.

                            $$$$ rules in a capitalist system, not art. Sorry.


                            $$$$ doesn't rule... It's not strictly a capitalist system. It's a democracy first. Even Warren Buffet will tell you that.

                            And my idea isn't about getting the license to use older players. I stated that pretty clearly.

                            edit:

                            I'm not even sure why you brought up art...

                            An artisan is a craftsperson, not an artist. I was speaking about the craft of creating a videogame, and how the marketing and selling has become predominant to the point where that craft gets lost.

                            Considering all the other things companies are putting in games these days, it seems to me a classic playoff mode would be more than feasible. And considering the shovelware that's being put out, it also seems feasible that this idea could become a separate game as well.
                            Last edited by spit_bubble; 03-10-2009, 11:49 AM.
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                            • chuckm1961
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 1429

                              #15
                              Re: An idea for baseball video games: CLASSIC PLAYOFF MODE

                              Originally posted by koshi
                              $$$$ doesn't rule... It's not strictly a capitalist system. It's a democracy first.
                              That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Friend, open your eyes and look around.

                              Are you talking about what our leaders say about this country? What the textbooks tell us?

                              It's not what we say, it's what we DO that matters.

                              The REALITY is that money rules in this country, and that's why it's hard to see a game like you describe every getting made, at least by any major company. Like I said, the market is not there to justify the cost of developing the game.

                              But again, it's a game that I would dearly love to see.
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