New PS3 Owner - Show or 2k

[Pielet]

You got xenophobic and roid rage from that post? Become more hypersensitive and jump to more conclusions.

Fact of the matter is, 99.9% of baseball fans over here don't care about the NPB. Not to mention, it's tough to get immersed in to a franchise mode for a game that's in a language you don't understand, and requires a translation guide for the simplest of tasks.

Why the PYS guys are so militantly defensive about that game, I don't understand.

I think Seattle and Texas fans probably are a little more curious now. The Zen of Bobby V was a great documentary on the NPB and one mans impact. I think you underestimate the love of all things baseball most fans have here.

We are militant cause it's a great game, pure and simple (no one is saying the show isn't). Simply pointing out other options for ps3 owners isnt too militant anyways. Throwing it out because of a little language learning curve is dumb. The fact of the matter is the fellas in San Diego can learn a thing or two about baseball video games from Konami and vice versa. Ideally a marriage between the two would produce a hellofa game, but that's never going to happen.

The learning curve to functionality in PYS is no different than OOTP with all of its things you can do (and that game is in English written by a German) in it.

[bkrich83]

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I think Seattle and Texas fans probably are a little more curious now. The Zen of Bobby V was a great documentary on the NPB and one mans impact. I think you underestimate the love of all things baseball most fans have here.

Really you think the market penetration for the NPB is even at 1% in the states? Ranger and Seattle fans have no interest in the NPB. NPB fans now have interest in the Rangers and the Mariners. There are a lot of great documentaries out there. That has nothing to do with the popularity of the NPB in North America. How many people here do you think have even seen an NPB game?

We are militant cause it's a great game, pure and simple (no one is saying the show isn't). Simply pointing out other options for ps3 owners isnt too militant anyways. Throwing it out because of a little language learning curve is dumb. The fact of the matter is the fellas in San Diego can learn a thing or two about baseball video games from Konami and vice versa. Ideally a marriage between the two would produce a hellofa game, but that's never going to happen.

You missed my point on the ridiculousness of PYS fans. It's no secret. It's actually a running joke amongst OS regulars. As far as being dumb because of the language barrier. I disagree. There are people out there that have no interest in PYS for various reasons. You're simply going to have to live with that. It has nothing to do with Xenophobia, which btw, was about as ridiculous of a claim as you could possibly make.

The learning curve to functionality in PYS is no different than OOTP with all of its things you can do (and that game is in English written by a German) in it.

Did you really make that claim? Seriously?

[bkrich83]

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I've played sports games for years and the only decent commentary is NHL with Thorne. Some like NBA2K haven't played much of that so I can't say.
Look at it this way the commentary on PYS won't ever get stale since you can't understand a GD they say.

My issue isn't with the commentary. I turn commentary in most sports games off.

It's in the Menu's and the navigation of the menus and the overall on screen presentation.

Plus I hate cursor based hitting. It's just missile command all over again to me.

[Pielet]

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Really you think the market penetration for the NPB is even at 1% in the states? Ranger and Seattle fans have no interest in the NPB. NPB fans now have interest in the Rangers and the Mariners. There are a lot of great documentaries out there. That has nothing to do with the popularity of the NPB in North America. How many people here do you think have even seen an NPB game?

So we go from 0.1% "that don't care" to 1% market penetration? I'd say its a niche sport here not unlike Formula One. Unlike most other niche sports it shares itself with our national pastime. As the WBC keeps occurring and Japan keeps dominating, interest will remain.

You missed my point on the ridiculousness of PYS fans. It's no secret. It's actually a running joke amongst OS regulars. As far as being dumb because of the language barrier. I disagree. There are people out there that have no interest in PYS for various reasons. You're simply going to have to live with that. It has nothing to do with Xenophobia, which btw, was about as ridiculous of a claim as you could possibly make.

I'm sorry I missed that joke at the club meeting. Baseball is baseball. It could be in any language and within 5 minutes you could be playing the game.

The whole point of this is you claim people could give two craps about the NPB and a foreign franchise mode, yet OOTP is wildly successful with people whom a lot of simply create make believe whole leagues and teams and play them for decades. I think a simple love of the game translates into interest in a fun and simple concept (of which PYS is a shining example).

Back to the original point of the thread, if you have a PS3 you do have a choice. PYS, in terms of gameplay, is just as good as MLB the Show. BOTH games blow away 2K.

[Pielet]

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My issue isn't with the commentary. I turn commentary in most sports games off.

It's in the Menu's and the navigation of the menus and the overall on screen presentation.

Plus I hate cursor based hitting. It's just missile command all over again to me.

Within a few seconds the splash graphics and overall on screen presentation convey the same thing. Balls and strikes, scores, averages, hrs, rbis, etc. PYS even goes further with situational statistics that someone not speaking a lick of Japanese picks up (hey a runners on 1st base and it shows a 10 followed by a 9 for a speedy guy what could that be?). I wish MLB the Show had the statistical detail of PYS (runners in scoring position averages, etc). Sure its not for everyone, just showing there are options out there (I'm glad someone took the time to show PYS to me on here). Do I wish it was in English? Sure. Do I wish MLB teams were represented? Sure.

As far as cursor based batting, I tended to share your opinions, but I've changed. Like the show, you can shut that off in PYS.

[bkrich83]

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Within a few seconds the splash graphics and overall on screen presentation convey the same thing. Balls and strikes, scores, averages, hrs, rbis, etc. PYS even goes further with situational statistics that someone not speaking a lick of Japanese picks up (hey a runners on 1st base and it shows a 10 followed by a 9 for a speedy guy what could that be?). I wish MLB the Show had the statistical detail of PYS (runners in scoring position averages, etc). Sure its not for everyone, just showing there are options out there (I'm glad someone took the time to show PYS to me on here). Do I wish it was in English? Sure. Do I wish MLB teams were represented? Sure.

As far as cursor based batting, I tended to share your opinions, but I've changed. Like the show, you can shut that off in PYS.

You act as if I have never played PYS before. Please don't try to convince me the language barrier is not a negative, or for some a deal breaker. Particularly in the menus.

[bkrich83]

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So we go from 0.1% "that don't care" to 1% market penetration? I'd say its a niche sport here not unlike Formula One. Unlike most other niche sports it shares itself with our national pastime. As the WBC keeps occurring and Japan keeps dominating, interest will remain.

What interest will remain? How many people do you think have even seen an NPB game? How many people can name the teams in that league? I won't even get in to their style of play. The WBC has zero affect. For the WBC the allegiances will always stay nationalistic. Just like the Olympics or the World Cup or any other international competition.

How can it even be a niche sport. Outside of a handful of Japanese stations that 99% of the country doesn't subscribe to, it's impossible to watch an NPB game on TV. Even those Japanese stations show like 1 game a week.

The whole point of this is you claim people could give two craps about the NPB and a foreign franchise mode, yet OOTP is wildly successful with people whom a lot of simply create make believe whole leagues and teams and play them for decades. I think a simple love of the game translates into interest in a fun and simple concept (of which PYS is a shining example).

Back to the original point of the thread, if you have a PS3 you do have a choice. PYS, in terms of gameplay, is just as good as MLB the Show. BOTH games blow away 2K.

did you really again try to compare OOTP and PYS again? Talk about apples to oranges, in both game style and the hurdles of their respective learning curves.

It's like you guys are working on commission.

[Pielet]

You act as if I have never played PYS before. Please don't try to convince me the language barrier is not a negative, or for some a deal breaker. Particularly in the menus.

It's a negative for you, it's not for everyone else.

[Pielet]

What interest will remain? How many people do you think have even seen an NPB game? How many people can name the teams in that league? I won't even get in to their style of play. The WBC has zero affect. For the WBC the allegiances will always stay nationalistic. Just like the Olympics or the World Cup or any other international competition.

How can it even be a niche sport. Outside of a handful of Japanese stations that 99% of the country doesn't subscribe to, it's impossible to watch an NPB game on TV. Even those Japanese stations show like 1 game a week.

Can you name a formula one driver? How about the top Irish hurler? What about a Pakistani cricketer? How about a top New Zealand rugby player? How about a current arena league football player? All are niche sports in this country. Yet again I will say the common theme is baseball.

When Bill Wirtz was alive, I could probably see as many NPB games through a satellite dish than I could Chicago Blackhawks games here in Chicago.

The world cup gave birth in this country to the MLS (it was a requirement FIFA mandated), so please don't tell me that a national competition can't drum up support for a domestic league. The popularity of a women's world cup gave birth to a ****** league in 1999. Today sportscenter shows champions league and EPL highlights, I never thought that would happen. The WBC and the LLWS does the same for baseball. People google players they see do well in the WBC, they get interested.

did you really again try to compare OOTP and PYS again? Talk about apples to oranges, in both game style and the hurdles of their respective learning curves.

It's like you guys are working on commission.

Have you ever played a fantasy league setup through OOTP? Fake teams, fake league structure, fake logos, fake minor leagues, yet people still play that. That's the point. OOTP has a substantial learning curve, while in English, yet people enjoy it. There is no reason that can't translate over to PYS, even though it's a completely different game and much simpler to play out of the box.

Bottom line: If PYS was in English it would be extremely well received and respected up there with the Show. The only way we can get that to happen is to drum up support for the game here which is all I am trying to do.

[Skyboxer]

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Main point of OOTP.."In English"... and that's a pretty freaking big point.
and OOTP can EASILY have real teams and players in a matter of minutes.
Even if PYS had an English option it still wouldn't match the popularity of the MLB game. Would it get more support and probably more purchases, absolutely. I just don't see it matching MLB game sales at all or even coming close. I've been wrong before though so who knows...

I used to get it just because it have the player career mode and cursor (with bat shape) hitting.
Once the Show got it that made PYS not worth the purchase for me ESPECIALLY due to the language barrier. Even when I did get it, The Show or 2K got the most play time.


PYS is a decentt game though....and I wish it would be released in English one day.

[dodgerblue]

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Considering I bought a PS3 3 years ago just for the show I'd say you have to get it. If you want a diversion or change of pace you could always get 2k for it as well.

[thaSLAB]

On topic: I would say yes, The Show is that much better than 2K. Mainly because of its re-creation of the game of baseball as a simulation. Visually, we can see that there's a big discrepancy, but things under the hood, and the amount of options, and the little things are what I like most. 2K does commentary very well, but other than that, it is more arcadey - which is not a bad thing since arcadey is fun, and less frustrating than a simulation. The amount of options given to you in The Show can allow you to make it play more arcadey if you want though. Pick up and play, or casual gamers are probably best picking up 2K, since The Show can be very intimidating to newcomers. I could never personally get past the quirkiness and head scratchers of 2K games, and I think those things are rooted in there game engine. I still take a look at there offering every year because I consider myself a baseball purist, but because of that, it has stopped me from purchasing 2K baseball for the past few years.

The thing is, now that you have a PS3, you have options (between 3 baseball games if you wish.) So you can get The Show, try it out and see how it fits your needs. If it's not what you want, you can trade it in or get 2K at a cheaper price, or you can rent both and then decide. If you really want to get crazy, you can add PYS to the mix, lol.

Off topic: I've also purchased PYS the last 3 years, and I would have to agree that the biggest 'negative' is the language barrier. It would definitely be more well received here, if it was in English. Yes, it is still baseball, but it is a different brand of baseball. Therefore, the language/culture barrier hinders the majority of people from enjoying the little things in the game. It's just too unfamiliar for most people to enjoy.


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[Scott]

While I can't vouch for 2K, The Show is exceptional.


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[lhslancers]

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With the obvious exception of PYS 6 and the addition of the WBC teams one downside of that series is the fact there are only 12 teams.

Haven't played around too much with the sliders in the short period of time that I've had MLB 11 but I think you can make the hitting much less frustrating by lowering the difficulty. I did not like 2K at all.

[tvman]

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You act as if I have never played PYS before. Please don't try to convince me the language barrier is not a negative, or for some a deal breaker. Particularly in the menus.

Yes i agree the menus are a deal breaker for some. This game is only for highly intellectual people which is why some of us are able to enjoy it.