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  • Cyphre
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    • Mar 2008
    • 291

    #16
    Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

    Originally posted by lhslancers
    hope the teams are competitive in the new game. Looking at the standings it appears as if there were only a few good squads.
    that's one of the beauties about this series, teams are built to emulate there real life counterparts. So if you choose one of the bottom teams it will be harder to win compared to picking a top team. That's just one of the realistic features in the games that makes it the BEST baseball game out there.
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    • lhslancers
      Banned
      • Nov 2011
      • 3589

      #17
      Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

      Originally posted by simgamer0005
      Yeah it sure is. The WBC mode is just so polished, to see MLB stars playing in PYS is awesome. I have 6 and 2010 on PS2. the graphics are much smoother and the animations are really cool on 2010, so if i were to do a season of the japanese league, i'd do it on 2010. i still have yet to play the WBC tournament, i played a bunch of exhibition WBC games and then moved to over to 2010.



      What new touches do you notice on 2010? For one, 2010 has the new Carp outdoor stadium. I think 2010 also added some bat-to-ball animations and the ball trajectory seemed more robust and varied in 2010. Maybe the fielding timing is a little improved too. i know there were some adjustments gameplay wise going from 6 to 2010. from what i hear 2011 on PS3 had some minor gameplay bugs that weren't in 2010.



      i had that feeling about 2010 on the PS2. i don't have any of the PS3 games, but it would make sense if 2011 got a big jump graphically on the PS3 because 2010 was the last PS2 version and they could spend more time on the high res textures of the PS3 version of 2011. i could see 2012 having more cutscenes and additions to the presentation, but i'll wait to hear a review. at the moment i'm fully playing 6 and 2010 on PS2, but if the PS3 version really makes some strides i would consider getting the PS3 version. the thing is i haven't gone through a full season yet on the PS2 version of 2010. and i feel like i owe it to myself to do one with the PS2 version before switching to PS3.
      2011 looks infinitely better than 2010 but I think I prefer 2010. I am seeing balls knocked down by 3rd baseman played by shortstops. Bobbled throws pickoffs balls getting stuck in players mitts attempting to make throws all kinds of things. I just saw a ball get stuck up on the top of the wall in left field. Thought it was a homer. One new feature I have noticed in 2011 which is pretty cool is the sawed off bat where the hitter is just standing there with only the handle of the bat in his hands. I know they patched 2011 3 times but it still seems as if there are too many home runs. I hope they put back the option for heavy ball in 2012.
      Last edited by lhslancers; 03-14-2012, 10:06 PM.

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      • simgamer0005
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        • Feb 2010
        • 1772

        #18
        Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

        Originally posted by lhslancers
        2011 looks infinitely better than 2010 but I think I prefer 2010. I am seeing balls knocked down by 3rd baseman played by shortstops. Bobbled throws pickoffs balls getting stuck in players mitts attempting to make throws all kinds of things. I know they patched 2011 3 times but it still seems as if there are too many home runs. I hope they put back the option for heavy ball in 2012.
        yeah i heard home runs got easier to hit with the regular ball in 2011 plus no option for heavy ball. that's a double whammy. the best thing about PYS is that it's not a home run fest. and when you get one it feels damn good. patches, good ol' PS2 didn't have patches. the game just worked, no need for patches. those were the days...

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        • Cyphre
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          • Mar 2008
          • 291

          #19
          Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

          the "patches" on the PS3 versions of PYS are not really to fix the game but more of a player and attributes updates to keep up with trades, player performance and player team status on major team and minor team (ichi-gun/ni-gun).
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          • simgamer0005
            MVP
            • Feb 2010
            • 1772

            #20
            Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

            Originally posted by Cyphre
            the "patches" on the PS3 versions of PYS are not really to fix the game but more of a player and attributes updates to keep up with trades, player performance and player team status on major team and minor team (ichi-gun/ni-gun).
            oh i know PYS is a well made game, i know it's not like next-gen madden or ncaa where the game is broken out of the box and the patches consist of fixing something while breaking something else where gamers basically pay money to be beta testers. i know PYS isn't like that but i think it was MukaMuka who said that there were a few noticeable gameplay bugs in 2011 that weren't in 2010. (i assume even after the patches) were there any actual gameplay fixes or improvements in any of the patches?

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            • lhslancers
              Banned
              • Nov 2011
              • 3589

              #21
              Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

              Originally posted by simgamer0005
              oh i know PYS is a well made game, i know it's not like next-gen madden or ncaa where the game is broken out of the box and the patches consist of fixing something while breaking something else where gamers basically pay money to be beta testers. i know PYS isn't like that but i think it was MukaMuka who said that there were a few noticeable gameplay bugs in 2011 that weren't in 2010. (i assume even after the patches) were there any actual gameplay fixes or improvements in any of the patches?
              Whatever problems might still remain after all the patches don't kill the game for me. I never played the game unpatched so I can't say what problems there were. Too many homers is all I can see. 2011 makes 2010 look last generation that's how much better I think the graphics are. For some reason 2010 plays a slightly better game. Not a great difference but I think the gameplay is a little better.

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              • MukaMuka
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                • Jan 2008
                • 401

                #22
                Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                Originally posted by lhslancers
                Whatever problems might still remain after all the patches don't kill the game for me. I never played the game unpatched so I can't say what problems there were. Too many homers is all I can see. 2011 makes 2010 look last generation that's how much better I think the graphics are. For some reason 2010 plays a slightly better game. Not a great difference but I think the gameplay is a little better.
                If you see too many homeruns in 2011 after the 3rd patch i suggest turning up the pitch speed or difficulty cuz even i, a seasoned veteran, find it really damn hard to hit homeruns now (not saying im good, just saying i have played for many years)...they did a really great with the attributes to reflect the new dead ball era in Japan where they are using a new ball that killed the offense in real life. a team (i think it was the Carps) hit only like 46 homeruns in the entire season last year...that is just messed up.
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                • simgamer0005
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                  • Feb 2010
                  • 1772

                  #23
                  Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                  ^ yeah but MukaMuka you know what made 2010 and earlier great is that you could put pitch speed on Basic+ or even Slow+ and still have it be a challenge to get hits, let alone hit homeruns. esp if you put in on real batting / pitch point.

                  that way you can put it on digital cursor movement (still with the analog stick), but moving / placing the cursor instead of holding the analog stick down and still have time to basically get it where you want it. with the PSP you need to do digital cursor movement, with PS2 i could do analog but it was just harder. PSP it was nearly impossible to use that analog cursor option.

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                  • MukaMuka
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 401

                    #24
                    Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                    Originally posted by simgamer0005
                    ^ yeah but MukaMuka you know what made 2010 and earlier great is that you could put pitch speed on Basic+ or even Slow+ and still have it be a challenge to get hits, let alone hit homeruns. esp if you put in on real batting / pitch point.

                    that way you can put it on digital cursor movement (still with the analog stick), but moving / placing the cursor instead of holding the analog stick down and still have time to basically get it where you want it. with the PSP you need to do digital cursor movement, with PS2 i could do analog but it was just harder. PSP it was nearly impossible to use that analog cursor option.
                    right...but nothing you said have changed in 2011. the hitting and everything is still the same as 2010 and earlier.

                    the homerun problem was caused by the removal of the heavy ball option. heavy ball = hard hit ball does not travel as far = less homeruns.

                    but the final player update in 2011 lowered the power rating of the entire roster, which means = hard hit ball does not travel as far = less homeruns = same effect as the heavy ball.

                    the reason 2010 is better than 2011 in my opinion is because of some little bugs and lack of polish in 2011. it has nothing to do with the hitting, which never changed
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                    • simgamer0005
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                      • Feb 2010
                      • 1772

                      #25
                      Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                      Originally posted by MukaMuka
                      right...but nothing you said have changed in 2011. the hitting and everything is still the same as 2010 and earlier.

                      the homerun problem was caused by the removal of the heavy ball option. heavy ball = hard hit ball does not travel as far = less homeruns.

                      but the final player update in 2011 lowered the power rating of the entire roster, which means = hard hit ball does not travel as far = less homeruns = same effect as the heavy ball.
                      well even on 2010 i don't use the heavy ball. with my settings even with the normal ball it's still very hard to hit home runs. if they patched 2011 and lower the power rating of the entire roster, then that sounds like tweaks were needed besides just not having the heavy ball. if they lowered power, then it sounds like there were too many home runs so they had to lower power ratings. maybe they lowered those power ratings because you were able to get home runs without doing the power swing.

                      in 2010 on normal ball it's still very hard to hit home runs, and even harder on a regular swing unless the player has high power ratings. you would know better than me as i didn't get 2011.

                      Originally posted by MukaMuka
                      the reason 2010 is better than 2011 in my opinion is because of some little bugs and lack of polish in 2011. it has nothing to do with the hitting, which never changed
                      yeah i remember you saying something about that. you would think without doing all the work on the PS2 version they would have more time to iron out the details. that's why it was surprising to hear the PS3 had those little bugs and lack of polish in the first year with no PS2 version. When I think of PYS, at least on the PS2, I think of polish and no noticeable bugs.

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                      • MukaMuka
                        Rookie
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 401

                        #26
                        Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                        Originally posted by simgamer0005
                        well even on 2010 i don't use the heavy ball. with my settings even with the normal ball it's still very hard to hit home runs. if they patched 2011 and lower the power rating of the entire roster, then that sounds like tweaks were needed besides just not having the heavy ball. if they lowered power, then it sounds like there were too many home runs so they had to lower power ratings. maybe they lowered those power ratings because you were able to get home runs without doing the power swing.

                        in 2010 on normal ball it's still very hard to hit home runs, and even harder on a regular swing unless the player has high power ratings. you would know better than me as i didn't get 2011.
                        1) like i said...there is no changes to hitting in 2011. trust me on this.

                        If you can't hit homeruns without the power swing in 2010, you can't hit homeruns without the power swing in 2011.

                        2) They lowered everyone's power rating in 2011 because offense is way down in real life and the roster updates are SUPPOSED to reflect real life performance. To see the stat drop in real life in 2011, see the data i collected here: http://www.spiritstranslation.com/fo....php?f=6&t=525

                        Of course, I'm not ruling out that they did it also because they heard the fans complaint about the removal of the heavy ball.

                        3) finally, the normal ball in 2010 should be the same as the default ball in 2011. if you had difficulty hitting homeruns with normal ball in 2010, then guess what, if you play 2011 without any patches, you will most likely still have trouble. If you play 2011 with the update that lowered everyone's trouble, now you will REALLY have trouble.

                        Hopefully this clears up any misunderstanding you have about the 2011 version.
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                        • simgamer0005
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 1772

                          #27
                          Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                          Originally posted by MukaMuka
                          1) like i said...there is no changes to hitting in 2011. trust me on this.
                          Oh I believe you, as I said I don't have 2011. i'm just describing how it is on 2010. the thread was started comparing 6 to 2010. and there are obviously many advantages to 2010 over 2011, from the bugs to the lack of the heavy ball whatever the case may be.

                          Again I play on custom difficulty MukaMuka, and put very difficult cpu pitching, so even with Basic+ or even Slow+ it is still very hard and mostly are low scoring games. i'll be the first to admit i am not very consistent offensively in PYS. But that's why i like it. i am very good at pitching and it is suited to a style where I try to win low scoring games like 1-0. some games i score multiple runs and even home runs. but it really depends on what team i am playing with and what pitcher i am going up against. even on normal ball i still rarely hit home runs, then there's games where i'll be in a zone and i'll belt out two or three in some games. you go through lulls in PYS on the harder difficulty where there's a lot of 1-2-3 innings and no one can score a run. And you said...

                          Originally posted by MukaMuka
                          If you can't hit homeruns without the power swing in 2010, you can't hit homeruns without the power swing in 2011. it's releven

                          2) They lowered everyone's power rating in 2011 because offense is way down in real life and the roster updates are SUPPOSED to reflect real life performance. To see the stat drop in real life in 2011, see the data i collected here: http://www.spiritstranslation.com/fo....php?f=6&t=525

                          Of course, I'm not ruling out that they did it also because they heard the fans complaint about the removal of the heavy ball.
                          even without patches, you could make the game lower or harder scoring just based upon what custom difficulty settings you use, things like real pitch / batting point. in addition sure they used mid season performance to change ratings. but lets be honest, it's guesswork at best. what if in the 2nd half of the season teams start getting better at offense? will they release a 4th patch to increase the power base on real life? what if you are in the middle of a season in the game? that could get confusing you know with patches and lead to bugs as the game is being updated.

                          just to clarify I was pointing out a difference between PS2 and PS3 in that on PS2 games used to go gold. then the game was finished, then it was deemed ready for customers. sometimes they did like PYS : K but it was technically a separate game. on the PS3 and 360 however, many sports games have become patch fests with many bugs due to the high res textures, and i couldn't help but hear your observations about patches, and still remaining lack of polish and that's a downward trend however small in terms of quality. as you say you prefer 2010 so we're in agreement here.

                          Originally posted by MukaMuka
                          3) finally, the normal ball in 2010 should be the same as the default ball in 2011. if you had difficulty hitting homeruns with normal ball in 2010, then guess what, if you play 2011 without any patches, you will most likely still have trouble. If you play 2011 with the update that lowered everyone's trouble, now you will REALLY have trouble.

                          Hopefully this clears up any misunderstanding you have about the 2011 version.
                          yeah i think these exchanges are clarifying things. i'm learning a thing or two about where 2011 is at and what to expect in 2012. I think the differences between 2011 and 2010 are very relevant to this thread since lhslancers suggested he had 6, 2010 and 2011.

                          as always good exchange talking about this is really getting me excited to play PYS more. it's been a while.

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                          • MukaMuka
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                            • Jan 2008
                            • 401

                            #28
                            Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                            Well there are actually 3 patches. The final patch comes out at the end of the regular season so it reflects the players' performance for the full year so thats pretty good
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                            • lhslancers
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 3589

                              #29
                              Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                              Originally posted by MukaMuka
                              If you see too many homeruns in 2011 after the 3rd patch i suggest turning up the pitch speed or difficulty cuz even i, a seasoned veteran, find it really damn hard to hit homeruns now (not saying im good, just saying i have played for many years)...they did a really great with the attributes to reflect the new dead ball era in Japan where they are using a new ball that killed the offense in real life. a team (i think it was the Carps) hit only like 46 homeruns in the entire season last year...that is just messed up.
                              Hey Muka not me. The CPU. Some of these guys swing at pitches Yogi Berra wouldn't offer on.

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                              • NotoriousReignz
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                                • Feb 2010
                                • 251

                                #30
                                Re: A Newbies Impressions on PYS

                                I can't hit home runs at all in 2011, but with practice, I'm finally starting to get some base hits. Although, I'm pretty sure I've never hit a triple lol.
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