Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

[lnin0]

Ok, I think I figured out the save roster thing. You just have to make changes to a roster and save it (you don't get to pick a name for it). When you start up your Xbox you need to load the roster from the HardDrive screen and then in exhibition and franchise modes it appears you have that roster. I am assuming once you save your franchise mode, just loading that up again will include the roster so you don't have to reload it again. But for Exhibition you have to load the roster you want when you start up the Xbox. It does not appear you can associate it with your profile.

As for the other saves, what is the difference between a "Player Profile" and an "Options" file/save? I understand the prfile track all sorts of stats in addition to gameplay options but why is it whenever you creat or edit a player profile it asks to save the player profile AND then it asks if I want to save "Options" under "Options" and that is the only name I have to pick from.

Is there no way to name your franchise or roster other than the genric defaults?

One time I deleted that Option save but not my profile. Then played a game under my profile name which seemed to have all the options and work fine. Quit in the middle of the game, turned off my Xbox and when I went back my profile was gone.

The guy that developed this save system should really not be in charge or even working on that part of the project for next year. Also please do not let him work on any of the other menu screens...maybe you could get him a gig recording crowd sounds at the ballparks as to keep him as far away from programing as possible. This is by far the most confusing save system I have seen in any game to date. If this guy is around or someone that understands what the hell he was thinking when he developed this system could you please explain it in very simple terms here? Thanks.

[abcd]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

I agree Horrible !!! no excuse you would have to be total stupid after playing one game and tried to save options or Rosters and not see the many problems 3 years in a row each year getting more limted .Also how do you let a game you have been working for on 10 months go out with the players after each out , throwing the ball in the outfield or past the infield after each out ??????????? Sloppy or they just dont care ?

[abcd]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

I agree Horrible !!! no excuse you would have to be total stupid after playing one game and tried to save options or Rosters and not see the many problems 3 years in a row each year getting more limted .Also how do you let a game you have been working for on 10 months go out with the players after each out , throwing the ball in the outfield or past the infield after each out ??????????? Sloppy or they just dont care ?

[abcd]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

I agree Horrible !!! no excuse you would have to be total stupid after playing one game and tried to save options or Rosters and not see the many problems 3 years in a row each year getting more limted .Also how do you let a game you have been working for on 10 months go out with the players after each out , throwing the ball in the outfield or past the infield after each out ??????????? Sloppy or they just dont care ?

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

If you want what you ask, then ASB would never come out, heck any game in that particular matter. You can't get rid of bugs, each time you fix one, another one appears. Take it for what it's worth, not a single game is perfect, if you don't like it, go and return it for another game where you don't have to worry about balls being throwns away in the OF or IF.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

If you want what you ask, then ASB would never come out, heck any game in that particular matter. You can't get rid of bugs, each time you fix one, another one appears. Take it for what it's worth, not a single game is perfect, if you don't like it, go and return it for another game where you don't have to worry about balls being throwns away in the OF or IF.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

If you want what you ask, then ASB would never come out, heck any game in that particular matter. You can't get rid of bugs, each time you fix one, another one appears. Take it for what it's worth, not a single game is perfect, if you don't like it, go and return it for another game where you don't have to worry about balls being throwns away in the OF or IF.

[lnin0]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

I wonder if you speak so highly of Bill Gates when your Windows PC crashes? I think you need to face the harsh reality that 99.9% of consumers, and rightfully so, don't give two shytes about how 'hard' it is to program or what it takes to get a product to stores. They paid for the end result and that is all they care about, period.

Besides, I am not talking about bugs - there is a big difference between a bug and simple usability design. Considering the 'save' function is a standard feature in all sports games and ASB is one of the oldest baseball franchises around there really is no validity to saying they lacked time or resources.

As for the issue of balls being noticably thrown away into the outfield after every play on a normal speed game...well, that seems more like a poor developement choice or inadiquate testing.
(if they knew about it why not make the decision to drop the entire animation since it is not relevent to the gameplay?).

I really like ASB '05 and I really appriciate ASB_man and ASB_art taking all the time they do coming to these forums. In fact, they are one of the more influential reasons behind me purchasing ASB this year. However, I am not going to sit here, because they are nice guys, and say, 'I accept all of this unpolished stuff in the game because I know your job is hard'. I'm not going to say that, consumers aren't going to say that and reviewers aren't going to say that. I would be dissappointed if, in fact, that is what they wanted to hear as well. I know no game is perfect but to defend a game because the developement process is hard is downright naive.

[lnin0]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

I wonder if you speak so highly of Bill Gates when your Windows PC crashes? I think you need to face the harsh reality that 99.9% of consumers, and rightfully so, don't give two shytes about how 'hard' it is to program or what it takes to get a product to stores. They paid for the end result and that is all they care about, period.

Besides, I am not talking about bugs - there is a big difference between a bug and simple usability design. Considering the 'save' function is a standard feature in all sports games and ASB is one of the oldest baseball franchises around there really is no validity to saying they lacked time or resources.

As for the issue of balls being noticably thrown away into the outfield after every play on a normal speed game...well, that seems more like a poor developement choice or inadiquate testing.
(if they knew about it why not make the decision to drop the entire animation since it is not relevent to the gameplay?).

I really like ASB '05 and I really appriciate ASB_man and ASB_art taking all the time they do coming to these forums. In fact, they are one of the more influential reasons behind me purchasing ASB this year. However, I am not going to sit here, because they are nice guys, and say, 'I accept all of this unpolished stuff in the game because I know your job is hard'. I'm not going to say that, consumers aren't going to say that and reviewers aren't going to say that. I would be dissappointed if, in fact, that is what they wanted to hear as well. I know no game is perfect but to defend a game because the developement process is hard is downright naive.

[lnin0]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

I wonder if you speak so highly of Bill Gates when your Windows PC crashes? I think you need to face the harsh reality that 99.9% of consumers, and rightfully so, don't give two shytes about how 'hard' it is to program or what it takes to get a product to stores. They paid for the end result and that is all they care about, period.

Besides, I am not talking about bugs - there is a big difference between a bug and simple usability design. Considering the 'save' function is a standard feature in all sports games and ASB is one of the oldest baseball franchises around there really is no validity to saying they lacked time or resources.

As for the issue of balls being noticably thrown away into the outfield after every play on a normal speed game...well, that seems more like a poor developement choice or inadiquate testing.
(if they knew about it why not make the decision to drop the entire animation since it is not relevent to the gameplay?).

I really like ASB '05 and I really appriciate ASB_man and ASB_art taking all the time they do coming to these forums. In fact, they are one of the more influential reasons behind me purchasing ASB this year. However, I am not going to sit here, because they are nice guys, and say, 'I accept all of this unpolished stuff in the game because I know your job is hard'. I'm not going to say that, consumers aren't going to say that and reviewers aren't going to say that. I would be dissappointed if, in fact, that is what they wanted to hear as well. I know no game is perfect but to defend a game because the developement process is hard is downright naive.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

Oh, the ball being thrown away eh... If I believe, isn't that supposed to be the around the horn throw after an out at first with no one on, looks like they're not done with that. I think I know what you're talking about.

P.S. I've never experienced that save bug in the last couple of years, must be something new or it hasn't happened to me. Oh yeah, I too don't know what's the difference between options and profiles (since they seem to save the same thing, maybe ASB_man/art can enlighten us on that).

I don't care about Bill Gates or when my PC crashes or about the percentage of the population that gives a #@$* about something.

Discussion ends here, ASA I believe was focusing on gameplay more this development and I believe that's what leads to most of these bugs.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

Oh, the ball being thrown away eh... If I believe, isn't that supposed to be the around the horn throw after an out at first with no one on, looks like they're not done with that. I think I know what you're talking about.

P.S. I've never experienced that save bug in the last couple of years, must be something new or it hasn't happened to me. Oh yeah, I too don't know what's the difference between options and profiles (since they seem to save the same thing, maybe ASB_man/art can enlighten us on that).

I don't care about Bill Gates or when my PC crashes or about the percentage of the population that gives a #@$* about something.

Discussion ends here, ASA I believe was focusing on gameplay more this development and I believe that's what leads to most of these bugs.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

Oh, the ball being thrown away eh... If I believe, isn't that supposed to be the around the horn throw after an out at first with no one on, looks like they're not done with that. I think I know what you're talking about.

P.S. I've never experienced that save bug in the last couple of years, must be something new or it hasn't happened to me. Oh yeah, I too don't know what's the difference between options and profiles (since they seem to save the same thing, maybe ASB_man/art can enlighten us on that).

I don't care about Bill Gates or when my PC crashes or about the percentage of the population that gives a #@$* about something.

Discussion ends here, ASA I believe was focusing on gameplay more this development and I believe that's what leads to most of these bugs.

[lnin0]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

Ok. There is no save bug. I never claimed there was one but I did figure out what was going on.

The game has 3 types of files it creates : ROSTER(S),FRANCHISE(S),OPTION
(notice there are no "Player Profiles" files - check your Xbox memory)

None of the files are renamable and there is only a single OPTION file which becomes confusing if you don't know what is going on. When you create a PLAYER PROFILE you are actaully just adding to the OPTIONS file. You can create and name several Player Profiles but your Xbox never actaully creates a file for them, it just stores this info in the OPTION file.

That is why you get the confusing save messages - one conformation to save your PLAYER PROFILE directly followed by another conformation to save the OPTIONS file. This is confusing because most people are going to think they already saved their PROFILE so why now do they have to save OPTIONS and why is there only one option file if you can have multiple Player Profiles.

There really aren't multiple player profiles (at least not individual files) - there is just one option file with all the different profiles embedded inside of it along with their stats and customized configuration. That is why if you delete the OPTION file you will loose all of your player profiles, stats and card points.

I think it is odd they allow you to delete the option file from in the game rather than just using the Xbox Dashboard. This would solve a lot of confusion by just having the user deal with Player Profiles and not worry about where they are actually stored.

As for the Rosters. You load them individually before you play a game (they can't be tagged onto a profile). If you load one, start a franchise and then save your franchise the entire roster is saved in your franchise file as well as the normal roster file. So you could delete the roster file without harming the franchise.

[lnin0]

Re: Mysteries of the ASB Save System ???

Ok. There is no save bug. I never claimed there was one but I did figure out what was going on.

The game has 3 types of files it creates : ROSTER(S),FRANCHISE(S),OPTION
(notice there are no "Player Profiles" files - check your Xbox memory)

None of the files are renamable and there is only a single OPTION file which becomes confusing if you don't know what is going on. When you create a PLAYER PROFILE you are actaully just adding to the OPTIONS file. You can create and name several Player Profiles but your Xbox never actaully creates a file for them, it just stores this info in the OPTION file.

That is why you get the confusing save messages - one conformation to save your PLAYER PROFILE directly followed by another conformation to save the OPTIONS file. This is confusing because most people are going to think they already saved their PROFILE so why now do they have to save OPTIONS and why is there only one option file if you can have multiple Player Profiles.

There really aren't multiple player profiles (at least not individual files) - there is just one option file with all the different profiles embedded inside of it along with their stats and customized configuration. That is why if you delete the OPTION file you will loose all of your player profiles, stats and card points.

I think it is odd they allow you to delete the option file from in the game rather than just using the Xbox Dashboard. This would solve a lot of confusion by just having the user deal with Player Profiles and not worry about where they are actually stored.

As for the Rosters. You load them individually before you play a game (they can't be tagged onto a profile). If you load one, start a franchise and then save your franchise the entire roster is saved in your franchise file as well as the normal roster file. So you could delete the roster file without harming the franchise.