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  • slthree
    MVP
    • Sep 2003
    • 2529

    #16
    Re: What is up with the strike zone?

    With regard to the strike zone, I love the variability. It is realistic. It gets me complaining as much as an umpire can get a batter complaining.

    However, I must agree wholeheartedly with the comment about the CPU not throwing high. I have been torn between ASB (the best 'feeling' sim) and ESPN. However, after playing both extensively, I have to go with ESPN and here's why:

    Power pitchers in ESPN will smoke you with high fastballs and you will wonder why you ever took a cut at that unhittable pitch. Then, when you finally develop the patience to lay off it, Mark Prior will throw that same fastball high in the zone but just enough to be a called 3rd strike. Conversely, in ASB you know that the 2 strike pitch will always be low.

    Someone earlier pointed out that you can draw walks in ASB and I agree that you can draw more walks than MVP but not nearly as many as in ESPN (the sliders actually have the proper effect). Also, the pitchers in ESPN (both user and cpu)can really miss their spots, which I love. Not that they don't in ASB but in ESPN, after the pitch, you can see the yellow dot that represented where you aimed it and see an overlay of a white ball trail where the pitch actually went. I can't tell you how many times I tried to throw a slider way down and away only to have it hang over the plate and get crushed.

    My biggest problem though, is that I still LOVE ASB and feel like I'm cheating when I play ESPN. It does so many things right. My only hangups are the hitting models (I hate cursors) and the lightning fast way relievers tire and the fact that to get deep in counts I have to use a generated 1-0 or 2-0 count.

    So, I'm currently playing both games.

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    • GCrusher23
      MVP
      • Dec 2002
      • 1170

      #17
      Re: What is up with the strike zone?

      I have no problem with the variable strike zone, in fact I love it. I just wish for once I could see a ball thrown low. No matter how low it's thrown, it's always called a strike. Other than that and the annoying pre loaded throws, the game is very good.

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      • GCrusher23
        MVP
        • Dec 2002
        • 1170

        #18
        Re: What is up with the strike zone?

        I have no problem with the variable strike zone, in fact I love it. I just wish for once I could see a ball thrown low. No matter how low it's thrown, it's always called a strike. Other than that and the annoying pre loaded throws, the game is very good.

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        • GCrusher23
          MVP
          • Dec 2002
          • 1170

          #19
          Re: What is up with the strike zone?

          I have no problem with the variable strike zone, in fact I love it. I just wish for once I could see a ball thrown low. No matter how low it's thrown, it's always called a strike. Other than that and the annoying pre loaded throws, the game is very good.

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          • truckie16
            Pro
            • Mar 2004
            • 597

            #20
            Re: What is up with the strike zone?

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            slthree said:
            With regard to the strike zone, I love the variability. It is realistic. It gets me complaining as much as an umpire can get a batter complaining.

            However, I must agree wholeheartedly with the comment about the CPU not throwing high. I have been torn between ASB (the best 'feeling' sim) and ESPN. However, after playing both extensively, I have to go with ESPN and here's why:

            Power pitchers in ESPN will smoke you with high fastballs and you will wonder why you ever took a cut at that unhittable pitch. Then, when you finally develop the patience to lay off it, Mark Prior will throw that same fastball high in the zone but just enough to be a called 3rd strike. Conversely, in ASB you know that the 2 strike pitch will always be low.

            Someone earlier pointed out that you can draw walks in ASB and I agree that you can draw more walks than MVP but not nearly as many as in ESPN (the sliders actually have the proper effect). Also, the pitchers in ESPN (both user and cpu)can really miss their spots, which I love. Not that they don't in ASB but in ESPN, after the pitch, you can see the yellow dot that represented where you aimed it and see an overlay of a white ball trail where the pitch actually went. I can't tell you how many times I tried to throw a slider way down and away only to have it hang over the plate and get crushed.

            My biggest problem though, is that I still LOVE ASB and feel like I'm cheating when I play ESPN. It does so many things right. My only hangups are the hitting models (I hate cursors) and the lightning fast way relievers tire and the fact that to get deep in counts I have to use a generated 1-0 or 2-0 count.

            So, I'm currently playing both games.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
            I agree 100%. I just traded in ASB for ESPN and as much as I like ESPN I really miss ASB. I'm also playing MVP, so I can't possiblly play all three. ASB does so much right but gets so much wrong(hitting, fielding, replays) but I still love it for it's atmosphere. While ESPN has the best pure gameplay it just doesn't feel like basball(no atmosphere)MVP is somewhere in the middle.
            Now back to the topic on hand, strike zone: ASB's is probablly the most realistic as far as size and variability(is this even a word?), MVP's is way to tall a fastball at the armpits is a stike! ESPN's is pretty good.
            I think next year all baseball games should come up with 5-6 different sized stike zones(some high, some low, some wide, some narrow etc.) and have the CPU at random choose one for every game

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            • truckie16
              Pro
              • Mar 2004
              • 597

              #21
              Re: What is up with the strike zone?

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              slthree said:
              With regard to the strike zone, I love the variability. It is realistic. It gets me complaining as much as an umpire can get a batter complaining.

              However, I must agree wholeheartedly with the comment about the CPU not throwing high. I have been torn between ASB (the best 'feeling' sim) and ESPN. However, after playing both extensively, I have to go with ESPN and here's why:

              Power pitchers in ESPN will smoke you with high fastballs and you will wonder why you ever took a cut at that unhittable pitch. Then, when you finally develop the patience to lay off it, Mark Prior will throw that same fastball high in the zone but just enough to be a called 3rd strike. Conversely, in ASB you know that the 2 strike pitch will always be low.

              Someone earlier pointed out that you can draw walks in ASB and I agree that you can draw more walks than MVP but not nearly as many as in ESPN (the sliders actually have the proper effect). Also, the pitchers in ESPN (both user and cpu)can really miss their spots, which I love. Not that they don't in ASB but in ESPN, after the pitch, you can see the yellow dot that represented where you aimed it and see an overlay of a white ball trail where the pitch actually went. I can't tell you how many times I tried to throw a slider way down and away only to have it hang over the plate and get crushed.

              My biggest problem though, is that I still LOVE ASB and feel like I'm cheating when I play ESPN. It does so many things right. My only hangups are the hitting models (I hate cursors) and the lightning fast way relievers tire and the fact that to get deep in counts I have to use a generated 1-0 or 2-0 count.

              So, I'm currently playing both games.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
              I agree 100%. I just traded in ASB for ESPN and as much as I like ESPN I really miss ASB. I'm also playing MVP, so I can't possiblly play all three. ASB does so much right but gets so much wrong(hitting, fielding, replays) but I still love it for it's atmosphere. While ESPN has the best pure gameplay it just doesn't feel like basball(no atmosphere)MVP is somewhere in the middle.
              Now back to the topic on hand, strike zone: ASB's is probablly the most realistic as far as size and variability(is this even a word?), MVP's is way to tall a fastball at the armpits is a stike! ESPN's is pretty good.
              I think next year all baseball games should come up with 5-6 different sized stike zones(some high, some low, some wide, some narrow etc.) and have the CPU at random choose one for every game

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              • truckie16
                Pro
                • Mar 2004
                • 597

                #22
                Re: What is up with the strike zone?

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                slthree said:
                With regard to the strike zone, I love the variability. It is realistic. It gets me complaining as much as an umpire can get a batter complaining.

                However, I must agree wholeheartedly with the comment about the CPU not throwing high. I have been torn between ASB (the best 'feeling' sim) and ESPN. However, after playing both extensively, I have to go with ESPN and here's why:

                Power pitchers in ESPN will smoke you with high fastballs and you will wonder why you ever took a cut at that unhittable pitch. Then, when you finally develop the patience to lay off it, Mark Prior will throw that same fastball high in the zone but just enough to be a called 3rd strike. Conversely, in ASB you know that the 2 strike pitch will always be low.

                Someone earlier pointed out that you can draw walks in ASB and I agree that you can draw more walks than MVP but not nearly as many as in ESPN (the sliders actually have the proper effect). Also, the pitchers in ESPN (both user and cpu)can really miss their spots, which I love. Not that they don't in ASB but in ESPN, after the pitch, you can see the yellow dot that represented where you aimed it and see an overlay of a white ball trail where the pitch actually went. I can't tell you how many times I tried to throw a slider way down and away only to have it hang over the plate and get crushed.

                My biggest problem though, is that I still LOVE ASB and feel like I'm cheating when I play ESPN. It does so many things right. My only hangups are the hitting models (I hate cursors) and the lightning fast way relievers tire and the fact that to get deep in counts I have to use a generated 1-0 or 2-0 count.

                So, I'm currently playing both games.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                I agree 100%. I just traded in ASB for ESPN and as much as I like ESPN I really miss ASB. I'm also playing MVP, so I can't possiblly play all three. ASB does so much right but gets so much wrong(hitting, fielding, replays) but I still love it for it's atmosphere. While ESPN has the best pure gameplay it just doesn't feel like basball(no atmosphere)MVP is somewhere in the middle.
                Now back to the topic on hand, strike zone: ASB's is probablly the most realistic as far as size and variability(is this even a word?), MVP's is way to tall a fastball at the armpits is a stike! ESPN's is pretty good.
                I think next year all baseball games should come up with 5-6 different sized stike zones(some high, some low, some wide, some narrow etc.) and have the CPU at random choose one for every game

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                • Knight165
                  *ll St*r
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 24964

                  #23
                  Re: What is up with the strike zone?

                  I would almost agree with your comments about ESPN...EXCEPT...it's not that the pitcher has figured out that you are laying off the high pitch...it's that you have a favorable count. Don't get me wrong...ESPN is NOTHING like MVP where the pitcher will always throw a strike once he gets behind in the count...but I have been playing alot of ESPN lately and I just kind of know when the strike zone pitch is coming now. I know, you're going to say...that's what happens in real life...but not really. What I mean is...the next at bat...the pitcher is going to try and throw me junk out of the strike zone(I realize there are sliders...but when I move them to throw more strikes with a pitchers count...I don't get enough walks) until he gets behind...then the strike is coming..almost all the time. In ASB...you never know what you are getting(except the lowball...which is the way it should be !)...I guess it's all preference...but to me ASB feels better in that sense.


                  M.K.
                  Knight165
                  All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                  • Knight165
                    *ll St*r
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 24964

                    #24
                    Re: What is up with the strike zone?

                    I would almost agree with your comments about ESPN...EXCEPT...it's not that the pitcher has figured out that you are laying off the high pitch...it's that you have a favorable count. Don't get me wrong...ESPN is NOTHING like MVP where the pitcher will always throw a strike once he gets behind in the count...but I have been playing alot of ESPN lately and I just kind of know when the strike zone pitch is coming now. I know, you're going to say...that's what happens in real life...but not really. What I mean is...the next at bat...the pitcher is going to try and throw me junk out of the strike zone(I realize there are sliders...but when I move them to throw more strikes with a pitchers count...I don't get enough walks) until he gets behind...then the strike is coming..almost all the time. In ASB...you never know what you are getting(except the lowball...which is the way it should be !)...I guess it's all preference...but to me ASB feels better in that sense.


                    M.K.
                    Knight165
                    All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                    • Knight165
                      *ll St*r
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 24964

                      #25
                      Re: What is up with the strike zone?

                      I would almost agree with your comments about ESPN...EXCEPT...it's not that the pitcher has figured out that you are laying off the high pitch...it's that you have a favorable count. Don't get me wrong...ESPN is NOTHING like MVP where the pitcher will always throw a strike once he gets behind in the count...but I have been playing alot of ESPN lately and I just kind of know when the strike zone pitch is coming now. I know, you're going to say...that's what happens in real life...but not really. What I mean is...the next at bat...the pitcher is going to try and throw me junk out of the strike zone(I realize there are sliders...but when I move them to throw more strikes with a pitchers count...I don't get enough walks) until he gets behind...then the strike is coming..almost all the time. In ASB...you never know what you are getting(except the lowball...which is the way it should be !)...I guess it's all preference...but to me ASB feels better in that sense.


                      M.K.
                      Knight165
                      All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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                      • INeedShades
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 313

                        #26
                        Re: What is up with the strike zone?

                        I love ASBs implementation of the strike zone. Yeah, you can throw a ton (90%+) of strikes with your pinpoint pitchers, but that's in any game. Try taking a guy like Aaron Heilman or Franklyn German, they are true adventures to pitch with, especially as Heilman gets into the 6th or later. The problem I have is that you don't get punished for leaving the ball out over the strike zone.

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                        • INeedShades
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 313

                          #27
                          Re: What is up with the strike zone?

                          I love ASBs implementation of the strike zone. Yeah, you can throw a ton (90%+) of strikes with your pinpoint pitchers, but that's in any game. Try taking a guy like Aaron Heilman or Franklyn German, they are true adventures to pitch with, especially as Heilman gets into the 6th or later. The problem I have is that you don't get punished for leaving the ball out over the strike zone.

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                          • INeedShades
                            Rookie
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 313

                            #28
                            Re: What is up with the strike zone?

                            I love ASBs implementation of the strike zone. Yeah, you can throw a ton (90%+) of strikes with your pinpoint pitchers, but that's in any game. Try taking a guy like Aaron Heilman or Franklyn German, they are true adventures to pitch with, especially as Heilman gets into the 6th or later. The problem I have is that you don't get punished for leaving the ball out over the strike zone.

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