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  • Graphik
    Pr*s*n*r#70460649
    • Oct 2002
    • 10582

    #46
    Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

    Originally posted by Jeff_Conine
    Worst game ever? No, but clearlythe biggest dissapointment. The game looks no better than last gen and plays horrendously. Being our only choice makes it that much worse. I hate the fact that everyone bought this game (I think it was the #2 game at one point), so 2k has no reason to revamp.

    I think you're smoking something. Graphic wise, do you see the stadiums, lighting and better textures? I dont see how anyone can say that the graphics are nothing. Maybe the animations, but the graphics are good to me.
    http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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    • jim416
      Banned
      • Feb 2003
      • 10606

      #47
      Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

      Originally Posted by Jeff_Conine
      Worst game ever? No, but clearlythe biggest dissapointment. The game looks no better than last gen and plays horrendously. Being our only choice makes it that much worse. I hate the fact that everyone bought this game (I think it was the #2 game at one point), so 2k has no reason to revamp.



      I think you're smoking something. Graphic wise, do you see the stadiums, lighting and better textures? I dont see how anyone can say that the graphics are nothing. Maybe the animations, but the graphics are good to me.
      Smoking something? I thought he made an objective point. The animations take away from the graphics big time. Conine, is right. The game is the biggest disappointment, let down, of any baseball game ever published. Next generation? I'd rather play Interplay (and I made a roster for this mess of a game).
      All the real time shadowing (a graphic 'enhancement') can't take away from the fact that it's a mess.

      With what we were seeing from KUSH prerelease I had little hope for this "next generation" game. I said I'd apologize big time right here on the boards if they came out with a solid title. They didn't and, with all that needs fixing, don't expect leaps and bounds next year from these guys.

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      • Graphik
        Pr*s*n*r#70460649
        • Oct 2002
        • 10582

        #48
        Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

        Originally posted by jim416
        Smoking something? I thought he made an objective point. The animations take away from the graphics big time. Conine, is right. The game is the biggest disappointment, let down, of any baseball game ever published. Next generation? I'd rather play Interplay (and I made a roster for this mess of a game).
        All the real time shadowing (a graphic 'enhancement') can't take away from the fact that it's a mess.

        With what we were seeing from KUSH prerelease I had little hope for this "next generation" game. I said I'd apologize big time right here on the boards if they came out with a solid title. They didn't and, with all that needs fixing, don't expect leaps and bounds next year from these guys.

        What did you find wrong jim? Why does everyone feel the animations are horrible? I can recall a handfull of games that had just as bad or even worse animations. 2K6 may not have plenty but it has enough animations. Maybe I did'nt expect much since many have come out let down by the last 2 2K baseball games but my expectations were'nt as high as others I'm guessing.

        As for graphics, I mean visuals, whats not to like. People complain about faces, stances, unis and the backgrounds of stadiums yet refuse to see the positives in the graphical details. For their first efford on the 360, I'm fine with the graphics. Could they be better? Of course they can but what they pulled off this year is alright to me.

        I think the problem yall have with the game is the same exact problem gamers have with Madden. To many let-downs so they are expecting a monumental efford combined with the fact that there aren't any other options this year. Would if the other baseball game came out this year and sucked just as bad? I bet ppl would go back to this game and make it work. All I'm saying is for all the bad things this game has, it has plenty enough to satisfy me. Call me stagnant but this is the game that was released and I'm willing to work with it.
        http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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        • mjb2124
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2002
          • 13649

          #49
          Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

          Personally, I feel the problem with some of the animations are that some are very unnatural to the game of baseball. Other's just don't occur. Players charging a ball and then throwing like a girl to first (pushing the ball from their shoulder like a shotput instead of throwing it). Or fielding a ball in the hole at SS and then the player throwing the ball underneath their left arm to 1B (player's body still facing the bleachers in LF, but they managed to throw the ball). Those 2 really bug me. Swing animations are improved, but they still aren't good. Guys twist their heads to the 3B dugout on every swing.

          As for graphics, I really don't have a problem with them. There are some jaggies on some fields that bother me, but overrall I think they're pretty good. The lighting effects are outstanding IMO. I faced a pitcher a few days ago throwing 3/4 and due to the light, couldn't hit a thing. The infield was dark due to shading and where the sun was, but outfield was bright. I couldn't see the ball well because the sun had a glare of sorts on the outfield fence and with a guy throwing 3/4, the ball was coming out from that glare. It was a nice addition that I've never seen in a baseball game before.

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          • jim416
            Banned
            • Feb 2003
            • 10606

            #50
            Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

            What did you find wrong jim?
            Check out the bugs/glitches thread.

            Why does everyone feel the animations are horrible? I can recall a handfull of games that had just as bad or even worse animations.
            Nobody cares about what other games had. This was to be "next generation", the game we were all waiting for.

            2K6 may not have plenty but it has enough animations. Maybe I did'nt expect much since many have come out let down by the last 2 2K baseball games but my expectations were'nt as high as others I'm guessing.

            Yes, many were let down by the last TWO games, and the 360 actually took a step backwards. Geez, the name data base doesn't even work this year.

            As for graphics, I mean visuals, whats not to like. People complain about faces, stances, unis and the backgrounds of stadiums yet refuse to see the positives in the graphical details.

            The graphics are part of the overall game. Somebody might be driving a BMW, but if it runs like doo, they aren't going to like their BMW for long, regardless of the logo on the front of the hood.

            For their first efford on the 360, I'm fine with the graphics.
            And here's the rub, "for their first effort". We're now back to first effort. How long will it take to improve this game. I do not expect it for next year. More years of waiting.

            Could they be better? Of course they can but what they pulled off this year is alright to me.

            Glad you like it. I think most people don't.

            I think the problem yall have with the game is the same exact problem gamers have with Madden.

            Don't play football games, or any other sports game except baseball.


            To many let-downs so they are expecting a monumental efford combined with the fact that there aren't any other options this year. Would if the other baseball game came out this year and sucked just as bad? I bet ppl would go back to this game and make it work. All I'm saying is for all the bad things this game has, it has plenty enough to satisfy me. Call me stagnant but this is the game that was released and I'm willing to work with it.

            Well, you shouldn't be asking people what they've been smoking when you admit that you are satisfied, but know there are "all the bad things". If it satisfies you, then that's fine.

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            • Graphik
              Pr*s*n*r#70460649
              • Oct 2002
              • 10582

              #51
              Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

              Nobody cares about what other games had. This was to be "next generation", the game we were all waiting for.


              This is exactly what I meant. Am I the only one that did'nt expect much from the 1st "next generation" games. Madden was bad, Live was bad, heck, most of the 1st games were bad. My expectations were'nt as high as most. I think most of the hatred comes from the fact that there are no other alternatives. If thats the case, I can understand but this game is not "the Worst Ever" as some ppl call it.


              Well, you shouldn't be asking people what they've been smoking when you admit that you are satisfied, but know there are "all the bad things". If it satisfies you, then that's fine.


              My bad things list is trash. Its nothing to even warrant being called "bad". My only complaints stem from the pitching model and the few stat innacuracies this game has. I fixed the rocket arms, my lineups are straight and my slider set provides me with what I feel is realistic game of baseball. My pluses far outweight the negatives. Plus before 2K6 and MVP, I was knee deep in my 4th year of my Baseball Pro 98 season. Which had no real teams logos, stances, few animations and repetitive gameplay mechanics. Once again, my expectations are low because of this. My first and foremost issue is getting the gameplay right which I feel I have accomplished. If you let the bugs get to you, then oh well. I haven't played a sports game yet that had zero issues.
              http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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              • CaptainZombie
                Brains
                • Jul 2003
                • 37851

                #52
                Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                Originally posted by Graphik
                Nobody cares about what other games had. This was to be "next generation", the game we were all waiting for.


                This is exactly what I meant. Am I the only one that did'nt expect much from the 1st "next generation" games. Madden was bad, Live was bad, heck, most of the 1st games were bad. My expectations were'nt as high as most. I think most of the hatred comes from the fact that there are no other alternatives. If thats the case, I can understand but this game is not "the Worst Ever" as some ppl call it.


                Well, you shouldn't be asking people what they've been smoking when you admit that you are satisfied, but know there are "all the bad things". If it satisfies you, then that's fine.


                My bad things list is trash. Its nothing to even warrant being called "bad". My only complaints stem from the pitching model and the few stat innacuracies this game has. I fixed the rocket arms, my lineups are straight and my slider set provides me with what I feel is realistic game of baseball. My pluses far outweight the negatives. Plus before 2K6 and MVP, I was knee deep in my 4th year of my Baseball Pro 98 season. Which had no real teams logos, stances, few animations and repetitive gameplay mechanics. Once again, my expectations are low because of this. My first and foremost issue is getting the gameplay right which I feel I have accomplished. If you let the bugs get to you, then oh well. I haven't played a sports game yet that had zero issues.
                Graphik, have you tried MLB06: The Show yet?

                What's your stance on both games if you tried both, since we only have 2 baseball games this year on 2 different systems?

                There are a lot of things that have taken the enjoyment out of MLB2K6 for many and there are things that people love the game for. I hope KUSH can turn things around come next year or else it will be a long baseball drought on the 360.
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                • Graphik
                  Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 10582

                  #53
                  Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                  Originally posted by joeboo
                  Personally, I feel the problem with some of the animations are that some are very unnatural to the game of baseball. Other's just don't occur. Players charging a ball and then throwing like a girl to first (pushing the ball from their shoulder like a shotput instead of throwing it). Or fielding a ball in the hole at SS and then the player throwing the ball underneath their left arm to 1B (player's body still facing the bleachers in LF, but they managed to throw the ball). Those 2 really bug me. Swing animations are improved, but they still aren't good. Guys twist their heads to the 3B dugout on every swing.

                  As for graphics, I really don't have a problem with them. There are some jaggies on some fields that bother me, but overrall I think they're pretty good. The lighting effects are outstanding IMO. I faced a pitcher a few days ago throwing 3/4 and due to the light, couldn't hit a thing. The infield was dark due to shading and where the sun was, but outfield was bright. I couldn't see the ball well because the sun had a glare of sorts on the outfield fence and with a guy throwing 3/4, the ball was coming out from that glare. It was a nice addition that I've never seen in a baseball game before.

                  Those animations do indeed suck are horrendous to look at. For many other sports games, the animations make the game. In basketball, if you have limited crossovers and limited dunks and very few overall animations, it will look bad. (Which is why I could'nt get into the Inside Drive series despite the realism) If you have few tackling animations, bad running animations, clipping and a lack of cut-scenes, a football game will look bad(reason why Madden gets flamed every year)

                  But in baseball, how many animations do you need to make a game look believable? How many times do you see gold glove throws and catches? How often will you see players wall grabs and diving catches? Once, maybe twice a game? My point is that a baseball game does'nt need that many animations to make it look believable. Its the reason why a game like HH was considered one of the best ever despite having terrible animations as well as graphics. The main focus of a baseball game in terms of animations should be pitching and batting. Which of course the team at 2K fudged up a little bit....ok, maybe alot. But how serious is it? Is it a make or break thing with some ppl?

                  I can understand the gameplay sucking but can anyone point out to me how it sucks. Thats all I want to know. Is it the fielding? The baserunning? What is it that puts this game in the catergory of worst eva?!?! And no, I dont want to hear graphics or animations. Jim has a point with the bugs but most of them are fixable or do not hinder the gameplay so what is it?
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                  • Graphik
                    Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 10582

                    #54
                    Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                    Originally posted by candyman56
                    Graphik, have you tried MLB06: The Show yet?

                    What's your stance on both games if you tried both, since we only have 2 baseball games this year on 2 different systems?

                    There are a lot of things that have taken the enjoyment out of MLB2K6 for many and there are things that people love the game for. I hope KUSH can turn things around come next year or else it will be a long baseball drought on the 360.


                    Right when i wanted to get the Show, my PS2 died. A few months before, my friends PS2 died. They both work but you need to do Nintendo-esq effords to get a game to play so I figured it was'nt worth it. I got another PS2 from my cuz but he took it to his baby moms house when he moved as I was preparing to get the Show once more.

                    So I only have 1 option this year. I wish I could of played the Show cause many say its one of the best baseball games they've ever played. Me, I have this uncanny ability to find fun out of most of the sports games I play even though they can be underwhelming. I found 2K6 underwhelming at first and I was sooo close to trading it in this weekend when I gave it one my shot. Now I love it. Played about 10 games this weekend. You just gotta take it for what it is.

                    It actually makes me feel like a hypocrite cause I always rag Madden and NBA Live each and every year when I could of made those game work. Put it like this, if Madden and Live were the only options for the year, I would of made them work. Madden is the only option this year, so I've already prepared myself to be underwhelmed and partake in a monumental tweak-fest to get the game up to my standards. I will find some fun in Madden this year.
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                    • CaptainZombie
                      Brains
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 37851

                      #55
                      Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                      Originally posted by Graphik
                      Right when i wanted to get the Show, my PS2 died. A few months before, my friends PS2 died. They both work but you need to do Nintendo-esq effords to get a game to play so I figured it was'nt worth it. I got another PS2 from my cuz but he took it to his baby moms house when he moved as I was preparing to get the Show once more.

                      So I only have 1 option this year. I wish I could of played the Show cause many say its one of the best baseball games they've ever played. Me, I have this uncanny ability to find fun out of most of the sports games I play even though they can be underwhelming. I found 2K6 underwhelming at first and I was sooo close to trading it in this weekend when I gave it one my shot. Now I love it. Played about 10 games this weekend. You just gotta take it for what it is.

                      It actually makes me feel like a hypocrite cause I always rag Madden and NBA Live each and every year when I could of made those game work. Put it like this, if Madden and Live were the only options for the year, I would of made them work. Madden is the only option this year, so I've already prepared myself to be underwhelmed and partake in a monumental tweak-fest to get the game up to my standards. I will find some fun in Madden this year.
                      I see what you are saying with trying to make the best of what we have with some of these 1st and 2nd gen games, especially sports exclusives. It sucks that we only have so many options this generation with Baseball and Football.

                      One beef that I have with this game is that the Official Roster Updates haven't been as good and frequent like what SCEA has done with MLB06:Show, where we get roster updates on a weekly basis.

                      If they are supposed to have the 3rd pary exclusive license, don't you think they would be working hard to make it feel that way?
                      HDMovie Room

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                      • mjb2124
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 13649

                        #56
                        Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                        Originally posted by Graphik
                        Those animations do indeed suck are horrendous to look at. For many other sports games, the animations make the game. In basketball, if you have limited crossovers and limited dunks and very few overall animations, it will look bad. (Which is why I could'nt get into the Inside Drive series despite the realism) If you have few tackling animations, bad running animations, clipping and a lack of cut-scenes, a football game will look bad(reason why Madden gets flamed every year)

                        But in baseball, how many animations do you need to make a game look believable? How many times do you see gold glove throws and catches? How often will you see players wall grabs and diving catches? Once, maybe twice a game? My point is that a baseball game does'nt need that many animations to make it look believable. Its the reason why a game like HH was considered one of the best ever despite having terrible animations as well as graphics. The main focus of a baseball game in terms of animations should be pitching and batting. Which of course the team at 2K fudged up a little bit....ok, maybe alot. But how serious is it? Is it a make or break thing with some ppl?
                        The animations I speak of only hinder gameplay somewhat, but overall it just looks horrible when they're occurring. Personally I feel it detracts from the game a bit because baseball is a very smooth flowing game on the field. It's just not represented that way in this game. It makes me believe they never mo-capped anyone for many of these infield sequences. A grounder to a fielder where he "pushes" the ball to 1B happens at least 10 times a game. The throw from the hole does affect gameplay though. It shouldn't be a rocket to first when throwing a ball that way.....actually, the throw shouldn't even happen, but that's another topic.

                        I do enjoy the batter/pitcher interface. It is fun, but I love fielding as well. I know I'm in the minority in that sense. Fielding just seems off in some cases. I've already mentioned on another thread how I'd like the momentum to be turned down a little.

                        Lately some of my biggest gripes are the dive back into a base on a grounder and ball going through a fielder.

                        The diveback occurs when you have a guy on 2nd and hit a ball to the 2B. Guy on 2nd should be off to 3B on contact. In this, he dives back to 2B. Why? I have no idea. It happens on other bases to, but this is just an example.

                        The ball going through a fielder is odd. I've seen it about 10 times where I'll field a ball with my 2B or SS and when they go to throw to the other covering 2B - double play or force out, the ball will go right through the fielder and roll into the outfield. I guess 2K was trying to make errors happen, but it just doesn't look right.

                        I don't know. I'm playing this simply because it's the only baseball game on a 360. It really is buggy and does have a lot of issues IMO. However, it does do a few things right. I'm just not holding my breath for next year.

                        In the end it's all a matter of our opinion. I really do think baseball animations are some of the most important. Maybe that's because I played the game from when I was a little kid throughout college. I'm the opposite when it comes to Madden and even NFL2K5. I saw some odd animations in both, but they didn't bug me as much.

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                        • CaptainZombie
                          Brains
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 37851

                          #57
                          Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                          Originally posted by joeboo
                          The animations I speak of only hinder gameplay somewhat, but overall it just looks horrible when they're occurring. Personally I feel it detracts from the game a bit because baseball is a very smooth flowing game on the field. It's just not represented that way in this game. It makes me believe they never mo-capped anyone for many of these infield sequences. A grounder to a fielder where he "pushes" the ball to 1B happens at least 10 times a game. The throw from the hole does affect gameplay though. It shouldn't be a rocket to first when throwing a ball that way.....actually, the throw shouldn't even happen, but that's another topic.

                          I do enjoy the batter/pitcher interface. It is fun, but I love fielding as well. I know I'm in the minority in that sense. Fielding just seems off in some cases. I've already mentioned on another thread how I'd like the momentum to be turned down a little.

                          Lately some of my biggest gripes are the dive back into a base on a grounder and ball going through a fielder.

                          The diveback occurs when you have a guy on 2nd and hit a ball to the 2B. Guy on 2nd should be off to 3B on contact. In this, he dives back to 2B. Why? I have no idea. It happens on other bases to, but this is just an example.

                          The ball going through a fielder is odd. I've seen it about 10 times where I'll field a ball with my 2B or SS and when they go to throw to the other covering 2B - double play or force out, the ball will go right through the fielder and roll into the outfield. I guess 2K was trying to make errors happen, but it just doesn't look right.

                          I don't know. I'm playing this simply because it's the only baseball game on a 360. It really is buggy and does have a lot of issues IMO. However, it does do a few things right. I'm just not holding my breath for next year.

                          In the end it's all a matter of our opinion. I really do think baseball animations are some of the most important. Maybe that's because I played the game from when I was a little kid throughout college. I'm the opposite when it comes to Madden and even NFL2K5. I saw some odd animations in both, but they didn't bug me as much.
                          Joeboo, you said it really well here.

                          2KSports/KUSH really needs to take this game for 2K7 version and not add anything else interms of features. They really need to focus on fixing all the bugs, stats, new commentary, animations, and overhauling the graphics to the point where this game plays much better come next year. I think that the stadiums, crowd, and pitching/batting interface are the best parts of this game. Everything else needs some major work. Even though many dislike the fielding, I think once you get used to it that it's not that bad to get a handle of except for the Rocket Arms.

                          Knowing 2KSports, they will add some more useless features instead of fixing the problems.

                          I would rather play MLB06, which looks only ok on my HDTV's due to the PS2 outdated technology + development team never added 480o since gameplay is where it's at.
                          HDMovie Room

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                          • Rodster
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 5709

                            #58
                            Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                            I am soooo glad I steered away from this game. It only took me 5 mins at an EB kiosk to know right away that I needed to find another baseball game.

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                            • Graphik
                              Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 10582

                              #59
                              Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                              Originally posted by joeboo
                              The animations I speak of only hinder gameplay somewhat, but overall it just looks horrible when they're occurring. Personally I feel it detracts from the game a bit because baseball is a very smooth flowing game on the field. It's just not represented that way in this game. It makes me believe they never mo-capped anyone for many of these infield sequences. A grounder to a fielder where he "pushes" the ball to 1B happens at least 10 times a game. The throw from the hole does affect gameplay though. It shouldn't be a rocket to first when throwing a ball that way.....actually, the throw shouldn't even happen, but that's another topic.

                              I do enjoy the batter/pitcher interface. It is fun, but I love fielding as well. I know I'm in the minority in that sense. Fielding just seems off in some cases. I've already mentioned on another thread how I'd like the momentum to be turned down a little.

                              Lately some of my biggest gripes are the dive back into a base on a grounder and ball going through a fielder.

                              The diveback occurs when you have a guy on 2nd and hit a ball to the 2B. Guy on 2nd should be off to 3B on contact. In this, he dives back to 2B. Why? I have no idea. It happens on other bases to, but this is just an example.

                              The ball going through a fielder is odd. I've seen it about 10 times where I'll field a ball with my 2B or SS and when they go to throw to the other covering 2B - double play or force out, the ball will go right through the fielder and roll into the outfield. I guess 2K was trying to make errors happen, but it just doesn't look right.

                              I don't know. I'm playing this simply because it's the only baseball game on a 360. It really is buggy and does have a lot of issues IMO. However, it does do a few things right. I'm just not holding my breath for next year.

                              In the end it's all a matter of our opinion. I really do think baseball animations are some of the most important. Maybe that's because I played the game from when I was a little kid throughout college. I'm the opposite when it comes to Madden and even NFL2K5. I saw some odd animations in both, but they didn't bug me as much.

                              I understand you because my friend rejects NBA 2K6 because of the shoddy dunk animations. For me, after playing Baseball Pro for 3 years and seeing the same 5 or 6 fielding animations, nothing bothers me animation wise when it comes to baseball games. HH had some fugly and repetitive animations as well but what made it work was that the gameplay was spot on. I feel the same way about 2K6.

                              About the runner diving back to second on a groundball, that does indeed suck. From what I've seen, it depends on how hard the ball was hit. If its a fieldable roller in the infield, he'll dive back. If its a shot that has a chance to get pass, he'll take off. The bad part about it is when you want to advance a base when the ball reaches the OF and your guy is getting up slowly, whiping dirt off of him. Its defitnitely a design flaw.

                              Besides that, I'm loving the aggressivness of the cpu runners when I put their setting on 80. I threw a wild pitch with a runner on second that went to the dugout and he rounded third and tried to go home. I got him by a few steps. It was great.

                              I'm really digging the fielding as well. Took sometime to get used to the momentum but it feels natural to me now. If you overplay a ball then you're toast. Automatic triple but I haven't had a mistake like that in quite some time. What I like is when you're chasing down a ball at the warning track, the ball hits the wall and you hit the wall as well giving up extra bases. Its things like that that make the fielding fun. You can choose to be aggresive or conservative and it can make the diffrence in a close ball game.

                              Things like the Baseburner mode is nice once you get the hang of it and I absolutley love that camera angle they give you following your guy around the bases after you make contact. I think you can only view it on the "Pole" camera angle. Another thing thats cool is the full operating scoreboards. I've been waiting forever for a game to have them fully operational. The collision detection is nice on HRs and foul balls. The game does so many things right, I'm looking foward to next year already.
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                              • dabear_man
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 30

                                #60
                                Re: This game might be the worst game ever created...

                                I saw a wanted ad from Kush looking for new Producer

                                they only have two games, Hockey and Baseball
                                Hockey was Scott
                                Baseball was Randy

                                anyone know who they replaced(fired?)?

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