Trading and FA Logic

[JohnnytheSkin]

I was just dinking around today in GM mode with the Rockies, and I was able to unload Helton for Igawa and some other young prospect from the Yanks, I got Maroth from the Tigers for some mid-30's minor leaguer, and in the offseason signed the following:

Justin Morneau
Scott Kazmir
Mark Prior
Kerry Wood

Those four would be a hell of a haul for the Yanks or Sox, but the Rockies! I've never been a big franchise player, and while it's not a "game killer" as some here exaggerate, it is interesting.

Needless to say, just simming, my rotation of: Kazmir, Francis, Cook, Prior, and Maroth got me to the seventh game of the NLCS that year, with Morneau as MVP.

Something doesn't seem quite right! I know you can't program extraneous attributes like "greed, desire to win, bling factor, fine *** ladies at clubs, etc" into negotioations and such, but I'm just curious as to the funny things you all have seen in your franchises...

"Game killers" or not!

[nyqua]

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After one offseason and lots of trades, my Yankee team:

Crawford
Ichiro
Pujols
A-Rod
Abreu
Delmon Young
Cano
Montero(D'Back catcher)

Liriano
Weaver
Kazmir
Wang
Willis(I think...)

K-Rod
Soriano
Zumaya

And in my Nationals GM mode, I was able to trade Kendell(76) and Harper(backup catcher, 75) for McCann(86) while also loading up on prospects. Trading it WAY too easy.

[baa7]

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So you think the Rockies being able to sign Morneau and Kasmir (and Wood and Prior) as FA's in 2008 doesn't kill franchise mode? Maybe you could explain what franchise mode killing game programming would look like, because that sure sounds like a franchise killer to me.

[boxcarracer2552]

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Then just don't make cheap trades, and don't sign every good FA on the market. is it that hard? my god.

[baa7]

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It's not about signing or not signing these players. What are Kasmir and Morneau doing as FA's in the first place? What kind of game logic is that?

[Scottdau]

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It's not about signing or not signing these players. What are Kasmir and Morneau doing as FA's in the first place? What kind of game logic is that?

True, but keep in mind small market teams can't always afford to sign those players. It happens a lot, just look at the A's!

[JohnnytheSkin]

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You guys totally missed the point of my post...NONE of that stuff is a "game killer" for me (don't play a lot of franchise) and the fact that such stuff is "game killing" is hilarious to me, since EVERY game out ultimately has such exploits!

For the folks hollering "game killer" why did you even buy the game? You know that such stuff can't get fixed (see the lack of "greed or sexy lady" attributes).

The trading at least seems partially legit based on the 2k ratings, where if I put an 80 overall up the CPU gives me 70+ guys, so they don't get ripped off (in AI logic) by offering me higher ranked guys.

I was just opening up the floor to folks who say that such "game killers" exist and laughing about how easy it is to turn around teams. Look, trading Helton was a logical move...and getting Igawa from the Yanks, while a stretch, makes sense. The FA's on the market even make sense since the Twins are low budget and would like to sign Morneau, his "bling" ratings might be through the roof

If I played honest I'd sign a couple mid-range guys, shuffle my roster with prospects and go from there. I was just examining the logic.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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And baa7, my whole point on "game killing" is something that would force me to never play the game again. If, for example, every outside 4-seam fastball was hammered by every hitter in the game...THAT would be a game killer. Or the fact that if I sub a first baseman as a third baseman off the bench that he commits an error ever time he's faced with a play.

Those are "game killers". Not some FA logic in franchise mode. I laugh at folks who holler such inane comments and then still play the game daily and keep the game in their trays solely to ***** about it.

[Scottdau]

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And baa7, my whole point on "game killing" is something that would force me to never play the game again. If, for example, every outside 4-seam fastball was hammered by every hitter in the game...THAT would be a game killer. Or the fact that if I sub a first baseman as a third baseman off the bench that he commits an error ever time he's faced with a play.

Those are "game killers". Not some FA logic in franchise mode. I laugh at folks who holler such inane comments and then still play the game daily and keep the game in their trays solely to ***** about it.

I disagree with that statement, just because something is not a game killer for you doesn't mean it is not a game killer for some. Every body have their own game killers. lol It is just how it is. I used to laugh what people on here called game killers, but after I thought about it, who I am to say that is not a game killer for you!

[hawkfan78]

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True, but keep in mind small market teams can't always afford to sign those players. It happens a lot, just look at the A's!

They aren't going to let them walk though. Those situations usually end up with a couple of top prospects being dealt.

[Scottdau]

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They aren't going to let them walk though. Those situations usually end up with a couple of top prospects being dealt.

maybe but in the A's they trade them for prospects or let them walk.

[hawkfan78]

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maybe but in the A's they trade them for prospects or let them walk.

Yeah the A's have been in some tough spots where they were contending and couldn't get equal value during the season. I think we can all agree that this is a nagging problem in almost every sports title. I know nothing about making these games, but shouldn't it be easier to program AI like this that doesn't take place in the actual gameplay?

[JohnnytheSkin]

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Yeah the A's have been in some tough spots where they were contending and couldn't get equal value during the season. I think we can all agree that this is a nagging problem in almost every sports title. I know nothing about making these games, but shouldn't it be easier to program AI like this that doesn't take place in the actual gameplay?

Which brings me back to the "greed" rating. How can EA/2k program an attribute where say Justin Morneau (since he's in the topic) would prefer the sexy ski bunnies of Colorado or the hot beach babes of Florida for the frozen tundra of Minneapolis?

Simple answer...you can't! They try, with the prospect potential (can't trade for a lot of "A" prospects with washed up vets) but other than that, it's going to take Miss Cleo to get accurate FA and signing logic

[Scottdau]

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Which brings me back to the "greed" rating. How can EA/2k program an attribute where say Justin Morneau (since he's in the topic) would prefer the sexy ski bunnies of Colorado or the hot beach babes of Florida for the frozen tundra of Minneapolis?

Simple answer...you can't! They try, with the prospect potential (can't trade for a lot of "A" prospects with washed up vets) but other than that, it's going to take Miss Cleo to get accurate FA and signing logic

lmao, that would be a cool!

[Sportsforever]

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So you think the Rockies being able to sign Morneau and Kasmir (and Wood and Prior) as FA's in 2008 doesn't kill franchise mode? Maybe you could explain what franchise mode killing game programming would look like, because that sure sounds like a franchise killer to me.

Aw come one now Baa...you already said you don't care about being "real". Remember, with the show you just set up the Arizona team as a bunch of retired players...so thi shouldn't bother you one bit!